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Apple Announces Release of Safari 5 with Extensions - But Where Is It?

pooryou said:
The URL bar should ONLY autocomplete URLs. It should not search through everything in my history and bookmarks that contain the string I started typing. It is extremely annoying and must be disabled. Furthermore, Apple should know better than this.
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pooryou said:
[...]I guess it's intended for people who don't know the actual URLs of the sites they are navigating to, and for them it might help, but for people who know what they want to type it makes the process excruciating at times.

If there were a way to turn it off in the preferences I would have less of a problem with it. It is not helpful at all and is bad user interface design in implementation, unlike the Google suggestions.
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I don't really have much of an opinion yet on the new behavior of the bar, but it might help others to understand your position if you elaborated a bit more on why exactly you think that the new behavior is wrong.

Why is it "excruciating" for people who know what they want to type? How is it not helpful? How is it bad user interface design? Why exactly is it so annoying?
 
pooryou said:
I understand what it is doing, thanks, but those things should not be consistent because they are different.

I guess it's intended for people who don't know the actual URLs of the sites they are navigating to, and for them it might help, but for people who know what they want to type it makes the process excruciating at times.

If there were a way to turn it off in the preferences I would have less of a problem with it. It is not helpful at all and is bad user interface design in implementation, unlike the Google suggestions.
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I find it pretty useful. It's much like Firefox is now. Say you know the title of the page you just visited, you no longer have to search through your history for it you just start typing it. I find the top hits tend to be based on the URL rather than the title, but once it can't find any URL with what you typed it switches to other fields.

I do agree that there should be settings to disable this though. I found that's one thing Apple tends to lack in general. Once they move "forward" with new features, they leave you hanging if you preferred the old ones... Snow Leopard's Expose comes to mind.
 
I had a feeling...

...when allowing it to update Safari to 5.0, it was a mistake...

It's unstable crap...ironic I was hoping it would be more stable.
 
Ugh. Now Safari has two types of extensions. The "official" web ones, and the bundled plugins.
 
wtfk said:
...when allowing it to update Safari to 5.0, it was a mistake...

It's unstable crap...ironic I was hoping it would be more stable.
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yeah, it was a mistake for me too. some pages just time out for no apparent reason. other times loading is just very slow. there are other instances where while i'm waiting for a page to load i can open another browser (camino) type in the same url and have the page load while i'm still waiting for the same page to load in safari.

i find it really strange only a few of us are having these issues, but it's basically making safari un-usable for me. I'm sorry I upgraded.
 
tkermit said:
I don't really have much of an opinion yet on the new behavior of the bar, but it might help others to understand your position if you elaborated a bit more on why exactly you think that the new behavior is wrong.

Why is it "excruciating" for people who know what they want to type? How is it not helpful? How is it bad user interface design? Why exactly is it so annoying?
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I think I explained it already but the problem is, if you know the URL you are typing (which I always do or I wouldn't be in the URL bar in the first place) then instead of helping you by autocompleting, it actually hinders you by putting up a bunch of things that are NOT the URL you are typing, but instead match the string. It's bad UI because that is the URL bar, not the 'search history bar' and it ends up wasting my time which is the exact opposite of what this kind of feature is supposed to accomplish.

As I said, it might be useful for newbies who don't know what they are looking for, but 1) they probably don't type into the URL bar anyway, they go to Goole, and 2) it should be able to be disabled for sophisticated users.
 
PlaceofDis said:
extensions are not the same as plugins.

in any event, chrome, firefox, and now safari all have both in them.
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Oh, I know. I'm just whining that Safari has two types of ways of extending functionality, and I hope the developers can re-write up solutions using the provided framework.
 
rev316 said:
Oh, I know. I'm just whining that Safari has two types of ways of extending functionality, and I hope the developers can re-write up solutions using the provided framework.
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There's only one official method of extending functionality and that's the Safari extensions. The plugins were never officially supported and are technically just hacks. So whine at the developers to rewrite it. Almost all developers if at all possible will rewrite the plugins into extensions because it'll just make their lives easy. No more rushing to adjust their plugins to support latest Safari build.
 
MikhailT said:
There's only one official method of extending functionality and that's the Safari extensions. The plugins were never officially supported and are technically just hacks. So whine at the developers to rewrite it. Almost all developers if at all possible will rewrite the plugins into extensions because it'll just make their lives easy. No more rushing to adjust their plugins to support latest Safari build.
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exactly. and plugins have always been a pain for many reasons. compatibility and mainly bugginess. hopefully finally having extensions will help improve safari for the better.
 
stewy said:
yeah, it was a mistake for me too. some pages just time out for no apparent reason. other times loading is just very slow. there are other instances where while i'm waiting for a page to load i can open another browser (camino) type in the same url and have the page load while i'm still waiting for the same page to load in safari.

i find it really strange only a few of us are having these issues, but it's basically making safari un-usable for me. I'm sorry I upgraded.
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http://support.apple.com/kb/DL877
 
Hey guys, has anyone tried the Invisible Status Bar extension? Apparently it's causing my Safari to become bloated as hell (taking up to 1GB RAM, CPU % increases drastically also)..... anyone else experiencing it?
 
My first negative post:

Safari 5 is a real bummer. I've gone back to Firefox, after having been won over by Safari 4. After using Safari 5 since the day it came out, I've gotten frustrated with the fact that

* Many pages load painfully slowly - Hotmail, eBay
* Some pages often don't load at all - eBay, Netflix homepage - resulting in a "Safari could not open the page" message

I love the reader function. I'm not running any plugins. Hope they get this sorted out. I miss Safari 4, and would downgrade if I had the option.

Apple, you've really blown it. :(
 
Ben Logan said:
My first negative post:

Safari 5 is a real bummer. I've gone back to Firefox, after having been won over by Safari 4. After using Safari 5 since the day it came out, I've gotten frustrated with the fact that

* Many pages load painfully slowly - Hotmail, eBay
* Some pages often don't load at all - eBay, Netflix homepage - resulting in a "Safari could not open the page" message

I love the reader function. I'm not running any plugins. Hope they get this sorted out. I miss Safari 4, and would downgrade if I had the option.

Apple, you've really blown it. :(
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Have you clear the cache? Some people have done it and it fixed all the problems.
 
I've had a few extensions not working properly — still investigating it. :(

By the way soon enough there's going to be an official place to get Safari extensions
as Apple is starting to accept submissions for its Safari Extensions gallery.
 
Ben Logan said:
My first negative post:

Safari 5 is a real bummer. I've gone back to Firefox, after having been won over by Safari 4. After using Safari 5 since the day it came out, I've gotten frustrated with the fact that

* Many pages load painfully slowly - Hotmail, eBay
* Some pages often don't load at all - eBay, Netflix homepage - resulting in a "Safari could not open the page" message

I love the reader function. I'm not running any plugins. Hope they get this sorted out. I miss Safari 4, and would downgrade if I had the option.

Apple, you've really blown it. :(
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This is exactly how I feel... I'm using firefox now because Safari 5 just doesn't work. Pages loading extremely slow or not at all. I've reset Safari, emptied the cache, nothing changes... still broken.
 
Safari seemed to be working nicely for me for the first few days but since then I've had so many crashes I've gone for a customised Firefox.

4 worked fine on my G4s, perhaps 5 is just one generation too much for machines with only a GB of RAM.

And no, the crashes were not due to Flash since I have Click2Flash
 
wow

even Though I'm excited Bout New Safari w/Extensions , I must confess That more excited Bout New firefox 4 version with html 5 and direct3d with hardware aceleration and x64 full suport 4 sure it will Rocks :eek:
 
I'mperfect said:
even Though I'm excited Bout New Safari w/Extensions , I must confess That more excited Bout New firefox 4 version with html 5 and direct3d with hardware aceleration and x64 full suport 4 sure it will Rocks :eek:
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So I assume you're a window user? Because most of that (beside HTML5) is unlikely to come to OSX right away.
 
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