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Apple Announces Relocation of Chinese Customers' iCloud Data From U.S. to Mainland China
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The Great Firewall of China seems like a pretty good example to user here. As for not caring about privacy, they obviously need to be educated. Which can't (easily) happen, due to oppression.
Thus completes my three-legged milk stool.
That right there, tells me you have no idea what the Communist (fascist) China is capable of doing.
While the US Government maybe bad.....but you have no idea.....
So, you’re you’re a bigot, good to know. And let me clarify, you’re a bigot the moment you claim you’re superior to another culture. The idea that Chinese must be educated about your claimed superior morals and values is nothing but a modern white mans burden.[/QUOTE]
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Apple IDs are tied to payment methods. If I wanna change my Apple ID region, I need a payment method from that region.
Oh, I have an idea. I have a very hard stance on China, and am extremely disappointed with the Trump presidency for being so light on them. Both China was called out on being a currency manipulator by Obama and Trump, and neither did anything about it. Really, really pisses me off, as I think it's a major issue.
The point I was trying to make was how intrusive our own government has become. Definitely not trying to kiss any socialist or communist's regime's arse like our world leaders; that's for sure.
That's only if Apple is more open & forthcoming about what they're doing, they've done.
Good grief.
Where's all your "courage" now Apple?
They make some grandiose stand against the U.S. government not to unlock terrorist devices where Americans are killed... yet easily get in bed with the oppressive Chinese government so they can continue to do business and rack up profits there.
Here's hoping the data center in China doesn't find some backdoor into the iCloud centers in other countries...
You are implying that Apple had a secret key at HQ but refused to use it. Apple fought a court order compelling it to create the means to unlock the phone.
It's called complying with the law. You'll find that Apple didn't break any laws in fighting that court order.
Good grief.
Where's all your "courage" now Apple?
They make some grandiose stand against the U.S. government not to unlock terrorist devices where Americans are killed... yet easily get in bed with the oppressive Chinese government so they can continue to do business and rack up profits there.
Here's hoping the data center in China doesn't find some backdoor into the iCloud centers in other countries...
You know the old saying ... 'Money talks BS walks' ... or more eloquently put as x0vash0x stated ... "businesses are amoral"!
I don't understand why people are criticising Apple for following their revenue stream. Apart from the fact that it makes logical sense to store data of consumers within their own legislative area, to call Apple hypocritical for following and making money is absurd. What do you think Apple's purpose is?
Good grief.
Where's all your "courage" now Apple?
They make some grandiose stand against the U.S. government not to unlock terrorist devices where Americans are killed... yet easily get in bed with the oppressive Chinese government so they can continue to do business and rack up profits there.
Here's hoping the data center in China doesn't find some backdoor into the iCloud centers in other countries...
Very bad comparison. I don't even understand how one can think like that, unless they think the whole world is subservient to the US.
Apple is an american company. It totally justified that it would protest or take a stand against laws in its own country if they want to, but they cannot do it in a foreign country. That's just common sense. Otherwise, there is a word for the opposite behavior : Imperialism.
As much as it sucks for Chinese users ( and I hope privacy laws will be reinforced in China some day soon ), Apple has to obey local laws. Apple is American. It can do what it wants in its own territory, but elsewhere it has to obey local laws, or get its business out of there. Period. And that is valid for ALL companies operating in any country in the world.
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Right. Cook should send some jets, bomb the country, and plant the American flag there. Freedom noodles !
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Right. Cook should send some jets, bomb the country, and plant the American flag there. Freedom noodles !
Well, judging by the exploding iPhone batteries in France and Spain of late maybe he wouldn't need jets for that, but I digress.
No, I don't expect him to launch a physical attack against China since he's unable to. I do, however, expect him to take the same high moral ground he does when facing up to Western governments, particularly his own. Tim Cook & co even stood up and bravely postured yet again yesterday, so I'd like him to remain consistent and protest against the Chinese government. I'd like him to take a public moral stand against them the way he does against the US government. I mean, we just found out--surprise, surprise--the Chinese government is even slurping accounts of people who don't live in China or have Chinese iTunes store accounts. (Don't even think about trying to claim this is by accident or a bug. LOL!) Don't you think this would be a good opportunity for Cook to take a(n albeit minor) stand?[doublepost=1515677557][/doublepost]
Except, of course, for the number of children they can have, where they can and can't live or work, what they can see on the Internet or TV, etc, etc.
I really couldn't care less. I actually have zero interest in imposing Western social, political or cultural preferences in China. As far as I'm concerned China is an enemy of the West, one to be opposed at every single turn. I believe business and political leaders who have effectively given away our future (and current!) prosperity to China should be tried for high treason, but I digress. My only interest here is in seeing Tim Cook remain consistent in his moral posturing, and failing that for him to be shown up as the hypocrite I believe him to be. Clear?
Except, of course, for the number of children they can have, where they can and can't live or work, what they can see on the Internet or TV, etc, etc.
Uh.... Chinese can live and work wherever they want. If you're talking about household registration system, that's for specific public services like health insurance and schools. There's nothing preventing Chinese from moving from one city to another or finding jobs in another city. The number of children, eh, that's more direct and to the point. But, the typical punishment for having more children is a monetary fine. Most people who want a second child can afford to pay the monetary fine. Granted, there are horror stories of provincial governments acting capriciously, but those are often met with massive protests. Yes. Protests do happen in China. Yes, they can involve thousands of people. Especially if people feel the government is acting out of control.
Oh, let's not mention that Chinese can travel abroad freely. It's not like they can't walk across the border to Hong Kong, or get on a ship and go to Taiwan, and be in liberal democracies. The barriers to leaving China are relatively low a vast swath of the Chinese population.
I know, I know. But, they're not a liberal democracy that shares 'our' values. If only they were educated about the value of liberal democratic values, they would see the ways of the world. Except, they can, and are. Chinese can read about liberal democracies all they want. You know, like this or this. Or, you know, visit a video website and watch some documentaries about the U.S Constitution like this. Also probably shouldn't forget the tens of thousands of Chinese college students studying in US, UK, and Canada.
This idea that Chinese don't know about or understand alternative political systems or ways of life because they're oppressed by the Chinese Government is just foolish.
It's clear that you're a bigot who knows nothing about China or life of the Chinese and simply view them as an enemy for vague reasons. You have no desire to understand something you don't understand, and nothing I say, or do, will ever change your mind that China is evil, Chinese are awful, and American exceptionalism is the best thing about the world.
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Apple IDs are tied to payment methods. If I wanna change my Apple ID region, I need a payment method from that region.[/QUOTE]
That makes sense. Years ago I created a Japanese iTunes account just so I could buy certain Japan-only games and pay with iTunes gift cards that I could buy online. I never gave them my credit card, and I am not sure what happened to that account since I haven't touched it for like 5 years.
Saudi Arabia (35’500’000) and Uganda (31’000’000) total population doesn’t equal 1Billion. Where you referring to India or China?
I do not care one way or another whether Chinese are educated about liberal democratic values or enjoy the wonders of Coca-Cola, Disneyland or crappy Hollywood movies. It is completely irrelevant to me. Do you understand? Further, I do not believe Western nations should try to impose such on any other country, and I include introducing technology, markets, trade, culture, etc along with it. I think non-Western nations should be free to make their own way in the world and whether they succeed or not is their business and not any of my concern unless our affairs interfere with each other.
That is your opinion based on some non-Western thinking, I imagine. I'm happy for you, but again, I do not care. My opinion is based on my Western thinking, and most Westerners would agree the Communist Chinese government is more oppressive than, say, the United States. Based on that I find it very hypocritical of Tim Cook to castigate the one while fawning over the other. My sole concern here is with Tim Cook, not China or her people, culture, way of thinking, what-have-you. I simply do not care for any of it.
Blah, blah. Bigot, schmigot. Whatever. Again: I do not care about China one way or another. I am happy to believe Western culture is superior and have absolutely no qualms about Chinese who feel theirs is. In fact, I would be surprised to hear otherwise! Some people prefer Coke and others Pepsi. It doesn't bother me if someone else is happy with one as long as they leave me alone regarding my choice. Feel free to believe your preference is better all you want!
It is not for "vague" reasons! Christ, man! China steals tech, IP, jobs, whatever isn't nailed down--and some things that are!--from Western nations. This isn't some crazy belief that fell out of nowhere! China has been doing just that for decades! It is plain China wishes to supplant the United States (and the rest of the West) as world leader. Perfectly understandable but not something I'm in agreement, and that certainly makes them an enemy to any rational person.
I don't believe China is evil. They are simply out for themselves which is perfectly natural and healthy. I just wish the West would return to doing the same. China puts China first in all things and I think we--Western nations--should do exactly that. This is not evil, just self preservation.
That's a matter of opinion, and if you don't believe it perhaps you are the one that has "no desire to understand something you don't understand". ;-)