They've said that it won't be making much difference, probably because they're leveraging their own compiler tech and are targeting other platforms. They have said that the open source libraries will make a difference.
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Apple Announces Swift 2, Open Source for iOS, OS X and Linux
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They've said that it won't be making much difference, probably because they're leveraging their own compiler tech and are targeting other platforms. They have said that the open source libraries will make a difference.
It's entirely possible that Swift will make inroads. Java and C++ are abominations, their usage is driven by things other than language quality.
Not really. Ultimately what people are using will translate to the business world. That's how javascript got popular and many other languages. Everything started off as a pickup basketball game before it became the NBA.
True. But the vast majority of Github users are not professional developers. While it has a part in training the next generation, usage within Github only reflects early adaptor or anarchist trends.
Many major organizations are moving over to Git/Github just about if they aren't there already. Every large company I've worked for is either using Github currently or moving their apps over to it. Also many of the web projects getting done are in fact on Github. I think Github is very much a representative sample of current market trends more so than anything else.
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That is your experience but not everyone's. My experience has been GitHub is a big Vaudeville of code that does not represent leading trends. There are other metrics out there that are much more accurate IMO.
There are many consulting companies out there with compiled data they divulge for a fee. You get what you pay for in this business. Free running on the Internet is about the same as running up and down the streets of a big city ignoring how the rents in the skyscrapers are paid. It is the opposite of the deep web and sometimes called the "sky web" or the "high web".
I don't know. I'm inclined to not believe something I can't see. With the others people can criticize them and what not and we can hash out what the numbers should be in theory. I think TIOBE has been around for over a decade now and Git/GitHub type stuff has been around long enough and popular enough for us to be able to glean useful information on what people are using in their orgs both large and small.
You're just guessing and not backing it up with anything. Saying some unnamed consultancy that has allegedly private information that no one can vet is not a counter argument. How is anyone supposed to take that seriously? The languages I've worked with at BIG reputable tech companies include Javascript, JAVA, Python, PHP, Obj-C, Ruby... The only one that has been used across all of the companies is Javascript.
Ok, CFreymarc! I get it that you are a Swift naysayer but stop spreading your propaganda here! Sure Swift is an evolving language but if you are an Apple Developer you know that Apple makes no apologies for evolving technologies quickly and there is no hand holding for those that can't keep up! I think you are grossly underestimating Apple which I am not surprised happens all of the time!
I think you time would be better spent checking out all of the Swift 2.0 improvements in this WWDC session! - What's New in Swift
You want that, go to other sites. This place is called "MacRumors" for a reason and not a debate club.
And I can easily call you a Cupertino Kool-Aide drinking developer with out any professional objectivity.
The Swift programming language is just starting to walk and talk as it falls down a lot. The fact they went open source on the compiler shows Apple does not want to put many resources into evolving it.
Just like other great programming languages like Fortran, Cobol, C, C++, Smalltalk, Java and even Python, Swift is getting the public domain / academic gang-bang making the girl street wise. It will either evolve into something worthy of professional investment or it goes into hacker freak shows with the likes of LPOP, Comal, Forth, Bistro and BrainFuk.
When the current compiler of a language comes back with messages like "Error: feature not implemented yet." this girl has a lot of growing-up ahead. You want to do an academic or hobby project for it, that is where it's at. You code in Swift for a revenue stream, you are putting your career and your company in jeopardy.
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Just came back to rage about the Xcode Swift compiler... I'm sorry, but it's totally unacceptable to have the compiler give "Segmentation Fault 11" with no line number as the message for a syntax error in my code. It comes down to guess-and-check to fix things when that happens. Big waste of dev time.
And this!
Please, Apple, Swift is a nice language. Fix your stuff so it can be nice to use it.
And this!
Please, Apple, Swift is a nice language. Fix your stuff so it can be nice to use it.
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Just came back to rage about the Xcode Swift compiler... I'm sorry, but it's totally unacceptable to have the compiler give "Segmentation Fault 11" with no line number as the message for a syntax error in my code. It comes down to guess-and-check to fix things when that happens. Big waste of dev time.
And this!
Please, Apple, Swift is a nice language. Fix your stuff so it can be nice to use it.
About right. You are not the only one seeing this. From this, I have told many developers not to write in Swift for professional code. Hobby or academic jobs, go for it and fight these dragons.
Reminds me of some early Mac and Unix compiler errors in the 80's such as:
"Bad magic number"
"Why would you want to do this?"
"Inreachable logic"
... and my fave.
"Error does not exist but it should"
Then why debate me on something you can't back up? You know you can't back it up. I at least posted links people can use. You are just pulling stuff out of backside like it's fact with nothing. MacRumors is for the articles. The forum isn't so the users of the forum can make up the rumors themselves.
Yes it is. This place is MacRumors for all. If you don't value my opinion, fine. Others have used my opinions and "rumors" here to their advantage.
Chill.
I didn't say your opinion wasn't valued. I just wanted to verify it. That's all. If you are right then you are right. I just prefer to verify it so if someone else asks me I can back it up with something. Right now I am going by my own experience which may/may not be applicable to everyone.