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So the winner was the person who downloaded the 1 billionth app? I thought it was random selection? :confused:

Congrats to that 13 year old! I wish I won $13K in prizes at that age!

I thought the same thing, I think allot of people thought it would be like that.
Somewhat of a lottery type drawing.
Kuddos to the kid that won, but the rules kind of were unclear.
My point?
All those people whom sent in the form and did not download an application, They are automatically ruled out I suppose.
 
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My guess is Apple will start to see a lot of app deletions over the next few days from people who only downloaded apps to win the contest.
 
It's weird the way the tax works. He got a gift card and hardware. He probably owes something in the $1000 to $2000 range. But he can't use the gift card to pay it. So 'winning' is going to cost his parents a lot of money. I wonder if Apple will help with this in some way if they can't afford it? Perhaps cash in part of the prize for tax money?
 
It's weird the way the tax works. He got a gift card and hardware. He probably owes something in the $1000 to $2000 range. But he can't use the gift card to pay it. So 'winning' is going to cost his parents a lot of money. I wonder if Apple will help with this in some way if they can't afford it? Perhaps cash in part of the prize for tax money?

Wait...so in america if I was to give you a laptop, you would have to pay tax on it?!
 
Wait...so in america if I was to give you a laptop, you would have to pay tax on it?!

If you, as an individual, were to simply hand me a laptop, it would be off the record, so no, I wouldn't have to pay tax on it. However, if you, as a corporation were to give me a laptop, it's on the record, so yes, I would have to pay tax on it.
 
Wait...so in america if I was to give you a laptop, you would have to pay tax on it?!

Corporations and individuals can only declare so much as a gift. Those are treated differently than prizes which are heavily taxed. They are very different things.
 
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sk8mash said:
It's weird the way the tax works. He got a gift card and hardware. He probably owes something in the $1000 to $2000 range. But he can't use the gift card to pay it. So 'winning' is going to cost his parents a lot of money. I wonder if Apple will help with this in some way if they can't afford it? Perhaps cash in part of the prize for tax money?

Wait...so in america if I was to give you a laptop, you would have to pay tax on it?!

Yeah, I know. It even cost money to win. The US government is stingy. They want money from EVERYTHING!!!!
 
kinda sucks that a 13 year old that probably had no idea about the contest won, but things always end up that way:p Anyways to all of you that thought your downloads and forms were considered entries, you should have read the rules, or the bazillion posts on the forums here that were obvious in explaining that the billionth download was the winner. no sympathy.
 
Hope you have $4,000 to pay the taxes Uncle Sam will want on that amount of winnings.

Prize taxes suck. See "Extreme Home Makeover"

Of course otherwise every employer would have a "contest" to pay you. Flip a coin, heads you win $2,000 this paycheck, tales it's $1,999.

would be that much. he's 13.. no other income

total value is like 13000.. less personal deductions etc..
he might pay 1000 in taxes..
 
How the heck would anyone use that?? I guess it's like when u win the lottery and you get small payments for the next 30 years. Lame prize I think. Apple should have ponied up and given away more hardware.

Personally, I'd rather have the $10,000 gift card than all the rest of the prizes put together.
 
Rules as discussed ad nauseam

So the winner was the person who downloaded the 1 billionth app? I thought it was random selection? :confused:

The rules for the billionth app promotion were confusing. My co-worker and I were led to believe that anyone who purchases an app or fills out the form online has a chance to win the contest. With the contest now ended Apple claims that a 13-year old downloaded the billionth app and therefore has won the contest. The very circumstance in which he won by downloading the billionth app doesn't match with what the rules state.
The Rules:
Timing. The Promotion shall run from 12:01 a.m. EDT on April 10, 2009 and ends with the downloading of the 1 billionth app (“Promotion Period”). For purposes of the Promotion, the downloading of the 1 billionth app is considered to be either the downloading of the 1 billionth app from iTunes or the receipt of the non-purchase entry after the download of the 999,999,999th app, whichever comes first.
This is a legal requirement to tell everybody when the contest is over. Nowhere does it say a drawing or the winner will be picked at random!!!

How to Enter. There are three ways to enter the Promotion:
You will automatically be entered into the Promotion by downloading an app from the App Store.
You will automatically be entered into the Promotion by downloading an app from the App Store using your iPhone or iPod touch.
Non-purchase method: Go to http://www.apple.com/itunes/billion-...own/entryform/, fully complete an online entry, including your name, complete mailing address (P.O. Boxes not acceptable), telephone number, and birth date. Once your online entry is complete, hit the “Submit” button to submit an entry. Entry via this method constitutes one (1) entry into the Promotion.
This is a legal requirement. Giveaways have to have a non-purchase method, or they become a lottery, with some state prohibit. The form is simply your way to play without purchase and make this legal in all states.

Limit: Regardless of which method of entry is used to enter the Promotion, only twenty-five (25) entries per person and/or iTunes account and/or email address, per day will be granted. The use of any automated launching or entry software or any other means that permits the entrant to automatically enter repeatedly or in excess of the entry limitations is prohibited.

This is for when it gets close to 1B. If they find out you entered 100 times on the day 1B downloads are hit, you are disqualified. Same for submitting more than 25 entry forms. I think this is to prevent the whole system crashing as it nears 1B. This will prevent people setting up a program to submit/download 1000 free apps as the time approaches

Sweepstakes. Sponsor is the sole judging organization whose decisions as to the operation of the Sweepstakes and the selection of the potential winner are final and binding in all matters related to the Promotion. The prize will be awarded for the entry (either through an app download or through the non-purchase online entry) sent immediately following the download of the 999,999,999th app. The potential winner will be determined by the order of the entries received. In the event that more than one entrant would be a winner based on the simultaneous timing of entries, one entrant will be randomly selected from those entrants as the winner. Each entrant’s chances of winning are dependent upon the number of eligible entries received.

Please read:
THE WINNER IS THE PERSON WHO DOWNLOADS THE 1 BILLIONITH APP OR THE PERSON WHO SUBMITS THE FORM AFTER THE 999,999,999 APP WAS DOWNLOADED. NO LUCKY DIP!!! NO RANDOM DRAWING. NO INCREASING YOUR ODDS BY DOWNLOADING?FILLING OUT MORE FORMS. DOWNLOADING AN APP ONLY GETS THE NUMBER CLOSER TO 1B.

No where does it say that it is a random draw. You do enter the drawing by downloading an app, you just happen to be the 1,000,000,000 - #app you downloaded loser of the contest. The person that downloaded app 999,999,999 was the 1st runner up or 1 loser. By downloading you enter the contest and helped that person win.
 
yeah, pretty deceptive on apple's part. I'm pissed.

I mean why would they say you can download up to 25 apps a day if, on the first day of the contest, you would have no chance in hell of winning? Sure the rules said something about receipt of purchase (meaning when you were officially charged for the app) but come on!

The reason Apple was so deceptive was to encourage people to purchase a **** load of apps hoping to win.

LAME!!!!

It might be slightly deceptive, but it's no reason to be pissed. I mean, unless you read all the rules of the contest, which were clearly posted, there's no reason to blame anyone but yourself. I made the same mistake, but that's what I get for being lazy and not reading the rules.
 
I think it's two contest

First contest is the billionth app

Second contest is the random drawing.

So, I think Apple might be doing two winners.
 
It might be slightly deceptive, but it's no reason to be pissed. I mean, unless you read all the rules of the contest, which were clearly posted, there's no reason to blame anyone but yourself. I made the same mistake, but that's what I get for being lazy and not reading the rules.

The reason the three of us (and more) got the wrong idea was because Apple's ad was misleading (I would bet intentionally so, to avoid a mad rush of downloads as the 1 billion mark approached).

Here is the story by Macrumors that has a screenshot of Apple's ad. The ad says:

"Download an app and you'll automatically get the chance to win a $10,000 iTunes Gift Card, an iPod touch, a Time Capsule, and a MacBook Pro. Just go to the iTunes Store, browse the App Store, and download your best app yet."

The subhead under "We're about to hit a billion" says essentially the same thing as the main copy of the ad, so you are twice given the idea that all you need to do is download an app to win, with no mention that it's specifically the 1 billionth app (or corresponding no-purchase entry) that would win. Tim Cook mentioned in the financial results conference call that they were "just hours away", so I'm sure if the ad were clearer they would have have more people trying to download the past couple days.

I'm not a legal expert to know whether you can imply or leave an important detail out of a contest ad and leave it to the "fine print", but I think it's clearly misleading on Apple's part. They were very clear about it with the iTunes contests they had before, so there is no excuse for them not to do so this time around as well (unless as I'm suggesting, they didn't want the servers to take a hit or go down from all the traffic that would have been generated as the 1 billionth download approached).
 
I think it's two contest

First contest is the billionth app

Second contest is the random drawing.

So, I think Apple might be doing two winners.

No. That was it.

Like mackensteff posted, Apple clearly stated it was the person who downloaded the 1,000,000,000th app or submitted the form after app 999,999,999.

For purposes of the Promotion, the downloading of the 1 billionth app is considered to be either the downloading of the 1 billionth app from iTunes or the receipt of the non-purchase entry after the download of the 999,999,999th app, whichever comes first.


And it looks like he just snuck in too:
The Billion App Countdown Promotion (the “Promotion”) is open only to entrants who are 13 years of age or older at time of entry

Lucky kid. Congrats.
 
Congratulations to the little guy, hope he enjoys his new toys.

I didn't even bother getting involved in the whole "1 billion apps" hype, I just downloaded a couple of freebie game apps last week because I noticed Time Crisis and Ferrari GT had "Lite" versions.

Besides, I bought my new iMac last month so I'm more than happy with my current Apple hardware. Those are some nice prizes though, I have to admit.
 
I think it was not. Bump was most likely the app that then in the end got him the price.

Probably just a slight error on MacRumors' side..

13 year old.. well he as enough time to spend the 10,000 at least. :D

And how much do you want to bet that he's going to spend in on ***** music (rap, Hip Hop, etc.)?

Don
 
Seeing as he could just sell the Gift card for $9,000 and/or the MBP for $3,000 I think it is unfair to say that winning is going to "cost his parents" a lot of money.

And how much do you want to bet that he's going to spend in on ***** music (rap, Hip Hop, etc.)?

Don

Please..
 
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