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Americans are tired of being told to feel bad for everyone and everything bad in the world is their fault. 🇺🇸

UK is ultra socialist and communist. Checkout YouTube on “cities in England”. They should not be using our American 🇺🇸 technology.

May be Huawei suits them best NOT Apple anymore. They use them and they cry. Apple should pull out of Europe.
Man, Poes Law is hitting me hard right now.
 
Maybe back in the day but no more. The UK is unrecognizable now. People giving up privacy for the gov is a big no in my book.

Welcome to the new world. With the internet the world as we all knew it will die.
It simply won’t be possible for the world to function. You can already see the cracks in the western world forming from disinformation.

The smartphone has been more damaging to mankind than the nuclear bomb, change my mind.
 
socialist countries should stop using products developed in capitalist countries.

Products made in China and the US are fine to use in that case.

The UK isn't socialist and the US isn't capitalist. They are both mixed economies.

Yes the UK is! And I say that as a Brit living in it...

Doesn't Sony and Nintendo also charge 30% on their online stores?

Well when the majority of products in those digital stores stop also being freely available in bricks and mortar stores, and online from thousands of other places at different and lower prices, and Sony and Nintendo ban the advertising of these products being available in these other places at cheaper prices, just like Apple, then maybe they too will be investigated by international governments?

Anyway Apple is far more likely to leave the UK market as the UK government has very nearly passed law forcing all manufactures of computer devices like Apple to spy on any photograph taken or stored on their devices, and pass any suspicious photos to the UK authorities. That is a breach of GDPR and of Apples privacy stance as a company, if they follow it it would make a complete mockery of all the ‘privacy’ policy advertising and stance of the entire Apple corporation, they are trying to fight it but the current UK government doesn’t really care much what anyone else thinks.
 
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Products made in China and the US are fine to use in that case.



Yes the UK is! And I say that as a Brit living in it...



Well when the majority of products in those digital stores stop also being freely available in bricks and mortar stores, and online from thousands of other places at different and lower prices, and Sony and Nintendo ban the advertising of these products being available in these other places at cheaper prices, just like Apple, then maybe they too will be investigated by international governments?

Anyway Apple is far more likely to leave the UK market as the UK government has very nearly passed law forcing all manufactures of computer devices like Apple to spy on any photograph taken or stored on their devices, and pass any suspicious photos to the UK authorities. That is a breach of GDPR and of Apples privacy stance as a company, if they follow it it would make a complete mockery of all the ‘privacy’ policy advertising and stance of the entire Apple corporation, they are trying to fight it but the current UK government doesn’t really care much what anyone else thinks.

Apple aren’t leaving a market of 70 million where they have 50% phone market share.
 
Exactly. The prices stayed the same, so I can say with some certainty consumers did not see lower prices.



Given that I've rarely seen any small developer raise prices, unless it is to go to a subscription model, that I am pretty confident in my assertion.

Part of the problem is consumers have been conditioned to expect apps to be cheap, often less that 5 - 10 Euros, or even 1 Euro, so developers are constrained in how much the can raise prices, so a drop in costs is kept by them and not passed on to consumers.

Past behavior is a pretty good indicator of future behavior. Overall, I think it's a safe statement that lowering small developer costs will not result in lower prices for consumers.

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It’s not that users are conditioned to paying lower prices it’s that there’s a huge amount of competition on the App Store which reduces prices for consumers.
 
Apple aren’t leaving a market of 70 million where they have 50% phone market share.

Then they will have to remove ALL marketing and policies regarding end user privacy in the UK then. As they will by flat out lying and committing false advertising if they did once this law passes.
 
Then they will have to remove ALL marketing and policies regarding end user privacy in the UK then. As they will by flat out lying and committing false advertising if they did once this law passes.

you say that like it’s a big effort for them.
 
you say that like it’s a big effort for them.

Yeah it’s really no big deal for a company to remove it’s image it has based itself on, how it has sold itself to it’s market for years, no trouble at all for them to do that…….. Apples entire marketing is based around privacy, it is trying to fight the UK government on this, I expect them to pull out of the UK market or SEVERELY limit features available in the UK market if forced to do as requested.
 
Yeah it’s really no big deal for a company to remove it’s image it has based itself on, how it has sold itself to it’s market for years, no trouble at all for them to do that…….. Apples entire marketing is based around privacy, it is trying to fight the UK government on this, I expect them to pull out of the UK market or SEVERELY limit features available in the UK market if forced to do as requested.

It’s a lot easier than pulling out of a market of close to 70m people.
They can fight the government but the government are setting the rules. Even if it gets struck down in court it will only be on a technicality and the government can just go again.
 
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Americans are tired of being told to feel bad for everyone and everything bad in the world is their fault. 🇺🇸

UK is ultra socialist and communist. Checkout YouTube on “cities in England”. They should not be using our American 🇺🇸 technology.

May be Huawei suits them best NOT Apple anymore. They use them and they cry. Apple should pull out of Europe.
Ultra socialist and communist?! What are you smoking mate?
In absolutely no way is this true

Socialism
  1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
  2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which the means of production are collectively owned but a completely classless society has not yet been achieved.
Reality check: Nope, absolutely not. We have huge wealth divides, soulless landlords buying up large areas of properties, Government selling public assets to private companies.

Communism
  1. A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
  2. A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
Reality check: If UK is nowhere near socialism, it cannot be remotely considered communist yet. Again, there is the huge wealth divide, and cronyism that runs through Government suggests things are not equally shared, instead it’s getting less equal.

Yes, especially the current Government, the UK is growing more Authoritarian but this in itself does not mean Socialism or Communism.
 
Americans are tired of being told to feel bad for everyone and everything bad in the world is their fault. 🇺🇸

UK is ultra socialist and communist. Checkout YouTube on “cities in England”. They should not be using our American 🇺🇸 technology.

May be Huawei suits them best NOT Apple anymore. They use them and they cry. Apple should pull out of Europe.
Hilarious. Most of the videos are exaggerated for views. Only a complete fantasist could describe the UK as Communist. Starmer is closer to Blair and has been cosying up to the right wing voters during his tenure.
Try doing what I do. I watch the videos about the excesses of Trump and try to remember that most Americans will be moderate, fair-minded people I could easily get along with.
 
It’s not that users are conditioned to paying lower prices it’s that there’s a huge amount of competition on the App Store which reduces prices for consumers.

That competition has resulted in apps selling cheaply, which results in users expecting apps to be cheap; competition may be the cause but price expectations are the outcome. It's a lose/lose for developers:
  • There are often a lot of similar apps so there is no good way to distinguish one's app or stand out from the crowd
  • A search turns of lots of apps so if you aren't near the top you might never get noticed
This has resulted in a market that is almost commoditized and thus a race to the bottom in pricing; and users thus expected apps to be cheap.

When developers started pricing really low to make sales they sowed the seeds for what the App Store has become and pricing expectations; and will make it harder for competing stores because they will not be able to sustain higher prices nor likely have the reach of Apple's store. I suspect it will be hard for them to cover their fixed costs and variable ones at Apple's 15%, nor offer the same customer base, making them a not so attractive alternative unless you have an app that Apple will not sell. If Apple is forced to further reduce their cut, alternative stores will be in an even tougher position.

It also means most apps are not self sustaining, even very popular ones, resulting in developers abandoning them, or, if popular, reverting to susbcriptions or new versions with IAP to try to stay in business.
 
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That competition has resulted in apps selling cheaply, which results in users expecting apps to be cheap; competition may be the cause but price expectations are the outcome. It's a lose/lose for developers:
  • There are often a lot of similar apps so there is no good way to distinguish one's app or stand out from the crowd
  • A search turns of lots of apps so if you aren't near the top you might never get noticed
This has resulted in a market that is almost commoditized and thus a race to the bottom in pricing; and users thus expected apps to be cheap.

When developers started pricing really low to make sales they sowed the seeds for what the App Store has become and pricing expectations; and will make it harder for competing stores because they will not be able to sustain higher prices nor likely have the reach of Apple's store. I suspect it will be hard for them to cover their fixed costs and variable ones at Apple's 15%, nor offer the same customer base, making them a not so attractive alternative unless you have an app that Apple will not sell. If Apple is forced to further reduce their cut, alternative stores will be in an even tougher position.

It also means most apps are not self sustaining, even very popular ones, resulting in developers abandoning them, or, if popular, reverting to susbcriptions or new versions with IAP to try to stay in business.
Yes the expectation of lower prices comes from the huge amount of competition in the App Store (and some people claim the App Store is anti-competitive…).

I agree the financials don’t add up for there to be many/any third party stores, unless the company running them treats them as a loss-leader for another business venture that is profitable, but that is also anti-competitive so shouldn’t be permitted.
 
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Who’s going to be first to say “Apple should just leave [region]”? The suspense is killing me!

Apple will not leave the regions that simply ask it to comply with the law.

The reason is because Apple makes larger profits on non-US sales, at least judging by their inflated prices outside the US, which are over and above any local taxes. As with most things in life, the rest of the World subsidises the US.
 
Apple will not leave the regions that simply ask it to comply with the law.

The reason is because Apple makes larger profits on non-US sales, at least judging by their inflated prices outside the US, which are over and above any local taxes. As with most things in life, the rest of the World subsidises the US.
No, Apple isn't subsidizing the US with "lower prices". Apple, like all companies, factors in the cost of complying with significantly more (and signifactly more burdensome) regulations and rulings like this one, as well as currency fluctuations.
 
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