Then Google stole Oracles IP and we have no innovation on any market 🤷♂️Apple does not have control of their platform because the rights to it have been stolen by the DMA. It’s very provable. The DMA is the proof.
Then Google stole Oracles IP and we have no innovation on any market 🤷♂️Apple does not have control of their platform because the rights to it have been stolen by the DMA. It’s very provable. The DMA is the proof.
That wasn’t by codified government overreach regulation.Then Google stole Oracles IP and we have no innovation on any market 🤷♂️
It was just by the court who followed the law and codified statutes….That wasn’t by codified government overreach regulation.
The lawsuit did not turn either company into a public utility like the DMA did to Apple.It was just by the court who followed the law and codified statutes….
What’s the difference to you if a law is written that does x and a court doing a ruling that also states x?
The lawsuit effectively made every API used by developers a fair use case.The lawsuit did not turn either company into a public utility like the DMA did to Apple.
It was a lawsuit however. Not a set of overbearing regulations.The lawsuit effectively made every API used by developers a fair use case.
The U.S. court that mandated free links seems to be permanent( can’t find any appeals possible)
The DMA haven’t made anything more different.
A lawsuit that gave away oracles IP for free in accordance with existing law.It was a lawsuit however. Not a set of overbearing regulations.
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Not exactly as you claim.
It’s currently being appealed. That doesn’t mean it’ll win, but appeals are certainly possible.The lawsuit effectively made every API used by developers a fair use case.
The U.S. court that mandated free links seems to be permanent( can’t find any appeals possible)
The DMA haven’t made anything more different.
Well reading the document and going through some of the evidence regarding. I would say it’s not looking very promising for Apple.It’s currently being appealed. That doesn’t mean it’ll win, but appeals are certainly possible.
My only point was that it’s being appealed.Well reading the document and going through some of the evidence regarding. I would say it’s not looking very promising for Apple.
Considering the finding was that apples fee was anticompetitive and based on limiting developers and maximizing revenue. While being wholly disconnected from IP( as I can discern from apples internal dialogues)
(CX-206.) Mr. Onak suggested the warning screen should include the language: “By continuing on the web, you will leave the app and be taken to an external website” because “‘external website’ sounds scary, so execs will love it.” (Id. at .2.) From Mr. Onak’s perspective, of the “execs” on the project, Mr. Schiller was at the top. (Feb. 2025 Tr. 1340:4–6 (Onak).) One employee further wrote, “to make your version even worse you could add the developer name rather than the app name.” (CX-206.4.) To that, another responded “ooh – keep going.”
Apple’s notes explain that “f we decided and had the ability to charge a commission, we believe there would be very little developer adoption of link-out, assuming a scenario where we would give a cost of payments discount at 3%.” (CX-859.33 (emphasis supplied).) Those same notes indicate that Apple planned to “[c]ome up with a couple of models in the spectrum of what we think the judge will accept” but to “tart with the minimum.”
Nope you are incorrect and there were no new laws created. Your analysis and comparison is intentionally flawed. The roots of the DMA to bust Apple started in 2015.A lawsuit that gave away oracles IP for free in accordance with existing law.
No different from apples Apples IP being given away for free according with the law.
Please square this circle.
Well my point was it seems worse than I thought.My only point was that it’s being appealed.
A distinction without a difference if the impact is effectively the same when making new legal precedentNope you are incorrect and there were no new laws created. Your analysis and comparison is intentionally flawed.
The root is article 101 and 102. Younger than Steve Jobs by 2 years.The roots of the DMA to bust Apple started in 2015.
US law did not start in 2015 to bust google.
This is obtuse. Conflating clarification of existing laws in the US with the creation of new laws in the EU appearing to “protect” customers but really targeting Apple.Well my point was it seems worse than I thought.
A distinction without a difference if the impact is effectively the same when making new legal precedent[…]
I looked at the results. Has the U.S. made a law with the same effect even if ”targeted ” wouldn’t change the relevant results.This is obtuse. Conflating clarification of existing laws in the US with the creation of new laws in the EU appearing to “protect” customers but really targeting Apple.
False equivalence. Google is now using non restricted apis. Apple is still obliged to give away its ip.I looked at the results. Has the U.S. made a law with the same effect even if ”targeted ” wouldn’t change the relevant results.
It’s targeting Apple under the guise of “protecting” consumers.It’s not targeting Apple. And it’s not to protect consumers
Well to be fair… the U.S. have fairly weak consumer if not nonexistent consumer protections and safety standards
Everyday we in Europe are thankful we don't live in the craziness of USA where Democracy no longer exist.
Sure. In most developed countries. Just not in the US.![]()
The court ruled them as non restrictive aka steeling their APIs and making it public property as you lovely describe it.False equivalence. Google is now using non restricted apis. Apple is still obliged to give away its ip.
Incorrect. Point to this consumer protection you speak of.It’s targeting Apple under the guise of “protecting” consumers.
Yes at least there was due process to make it happen. No due process in the eu.The court ruled them as non restrictive aka steeling their APIs and making it public property as you lovely describe it.
Apple has been targeted.APIs aren’t copyrighted here either. Apple sold it fair and square. They read the TOS and agreed to it as well as the can change in the future clause 🤷♂️
As it has been done in the court
Incorrect. Point to this consumer protection you speak of.
the due process was explicitly used that ruled APIs aren’t copyrighted in EU as well by the ECJYes at least there was due process to make it happen. No due process in the eu.
You said:Apple has been targeted.
It’s targeting Apple under the guise of “protecting” consumers.”
No due process. Like patents. Sometimes they get overturned but it’s due process.the due process was explicitly used that ruled APIs aren’t copyrighted in EU as well by the ECJ
I stand by it.You said:
It was a due process that ruled APIs not protected. And The case wasn’t limited.No due process. Like patents. Sometimes they get overturned but it’s due process.
A made up thing with zero data and zero information outside of ”vibes” it seems.I stand by it.
There's a difference in being able to reply to a message, and suddenly forcing apple to allow companies to copy paste all their code/features, which is not what I am asking for. On my Garmin forerunner 265, I can send preselected replies to texts on Android, be it pixel or Galaxy, but when I had an iphone I couldn't.And then what happens afterwards?
Say Apple goes through and allows third party smart watches to access features like quick reply in the EU. Sounds good on paper.
And then, subsequent new features announced for iOS and macOS never make it to the EU because Apple doesn’t feel it’s worth their while to make it accessible to third parties. They have decided it’s easier to just not release it for said region at all.
Will you be okay with that?
There's a difference in being able to reply to a message, and suddenly forcing apple to allow companies to copy paste all their code/features, which is not what I am asking for. On my Garmin forerunner 265, I can send preselected replies to texts on Android, be it pixel or Galaxy, but when I had an iphone I couldn't.
If that stops Apple from innovating, then maybe their innovation is more about being anti competitive.