Apple is in the wrong, and has more money than they know what to do with. They should just pay Masimo already, so they can turn the feature on.
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Apple Appeals US Ban on Apple Watch Blood Oxygen Feature
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What is Masimo gaining from this other than ensuring Apple customers never buy their products because of their litigious nature
It’s about time, even though I’m in Japan and I have been working Blood oxygen feature part of my Apple Watch. It’s nice to know that others will be having its well soon. The way this lawsuit has been running it’s contemptuous.
Not for Apple Watch owners in other countries. They are full featured.
Yeah, that is true. But what I’ve been understanding, the feature is not built into other watches that are around the world.
it’s the job of legal team to appeal. I don’t see it going anywhere but Apple needs to exhaust every angle.
Apple has some really bad legal council. Like really bad.
I’m not a lawyer and even I know that a patent doesn’t need to have an actual product for it to be valid.
This is a pathetic argument. I’m rooting for O2 monitoring to come back as I miss it and I want Apple to win but it’s also clear they broke the patent.
I’m not a lawyer and even I know that a patent doesn’t need to have an actual product for it to be valid.
This is a pathetic argument. I’m rooting for O2 monitoring to come back as I miss it and I want Apple to win but it’s also clear they broke the patent.
No. For a company like Apple the legal team need to take every opportunity to appeal, even if there isn’t much of a chance. You miss every swing you don’t take. If it was a bad argument, Appeals court doesn’t have to hear and rule later this year. They would have just denied the appeal.
Apple should negotiate with Masimo to come up with an amount Apple pays for permission to enable the feature on Apple Watches.
Or come up with a different technology that measures blood O2 levels.
Or come up with a different technology that measures blood O2 levels.
So long as the legal team saves or makes apple more money than they cost; they'll stay around.
Whether they're right or wrong; or if justice is served. It's irrelevant as long as they make money.
The flaw here is that they're completely ignoring the value of goodwill.
They will absolutely take a grocery store to the cleaners for featuring an apple in their logo, again.
Didn’t realize so many patent attorneys frequent MacRumors.
Exactly what I thought when I saw the title.
It's time to stop giving patent trolls the ability to ruin products that already exist. If you don't have an actual product you don't have a leg to stand on in a patent dispute IMO.
Of course I'm of the mind that patents create more harm than good and should be extremely difficult to get along with the patent time being much shorter. I feel the same way about copyright.
this whole thing is so very apple.
normally apple just steamrolls smaller size companies. and has won an unusually high number of such fights before.
obviously massimo's patent claims are very strong to have brought us to this point.
if i were apple's lawyers, i wouldn't try for an outright win at this point.
rather, presenting enough of a case that the Court of Appeals forces the matter to arbitration.
on such grounds as the invention as described in massimo's patent didn't clearly describe all necessary components and that in fact this/these necessary component(s) are found in apple's actual commercialised product.
by the way, i myself dont want apple to win this one
this long wait this year+ was probably apple hoping one last time to get around massimo patents, but whatever they were working on has not proved viable.
is this worth apple settling for hundreds of millions of dollars ? tim needs to decide.
normally apple just steamrolls smaller size companies. and has won an unusually high number of such fights before.
obviously massimo's patent claims are very strong to have brought us to this point.
if i were apple's lawyers, i wouldn't try for an outright win at this point.
rather, presenting enough of a case that the Court of Appeals forces the matter to arbitration.
on such grounds as the invention as described in massimo's patent didn't clearly describe all necessary components and that in fact this/these necessary component(s) are found in apple's actual commercialised product.
by the way, i myself dont want apple to win this one
this long wait this year+ was probably apple hoping one last time to get around massimo patents, but whatever they were working on has not proved viable.
is this worth apple settling for hundreds of millions of dollars ? tim needs to decide.
Except they're not a patent troll. They're a health technology company (among other things) with a patent for something they intended to bring to market and eventually did. Apple files patents all the time for non-existent products and products that seemingly may never make it to market. You think all those should be denied or invalidated?
Copyrights are very different.
Uk Ultra 2 owner here. All features present and working.
People have got to stop glorifying corporations. They are not your friend, and will do anything they can to squeeze more money out of you. I’m beginning to lose a lot of trust in Apple after the childish way they’ve behaved with the EU and the new push to get into advertising.
Massive, massive hypocrites they are
Apple just needs to buy Masimo and Qualcomm and Tesla and Chat GPT 😉
“Apple's legal counsel this week argued that the ITC's ruling was unjustified because, at the time Masimo filed its complaint in 2021, the company had not yet brought a competing product to market.”
That’s the most BS argument I’ve ever heard. Apple gonna lose. And when they do, they’ll buy Masimo for something under 9 billion, and then take the patents and sell the company off in pieces. That or just buy a license.
To me, this shows Apple never had a viable workaround of Masimo’s IP, and is now grasping at straws before having to make some capital intensive moves.
That’s the most BS argument I’ve ever heard. Apple gonna lose. And when they do, they’ll buy Masimo for something under 9 billion, and then take the patents and sell the company off in pieces. That or just buy a license.
To me, this shows Apple never had a viable workaround of Masimo’s IP, and is now grasping at straws before having to make some capital intensive moves.
Or ever had a product using their own IP.
IP stands on its own and can be bought, sold, licensed, etc. as long as the patent is in force.
If that were not the case, the patent system would fail for lack of protection of ip creators and/or owners.
