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I was eagerly awaiting porting one of my iOS apps to a stand alone Apple watch app back in 2015 when the first Apple watch was released. Then I found out it didn't support stand alone apps, so customers would have to buy the iOS version, then somehow buy a Watch version via the in-app purchase mechanism on the iPhone. Managing that would have sucked.

I also felt it was BS to force the customer to buy the iOS version if they only wanted the watch version - so here's an example of an honest developer (me) not wanting to screw customers.

Apple changing their position on this is a sure sign that the Apple Watch is not doing well. "Compromise" is only a term Apple only understands when they become desperate.
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I don’t think too many developers see much money or use cases to justify spending time on building apps for the watch. In fact many of my former apps have stopped support for Apple Watch.

Exactly, there's no money in supporting Apple watch.
 
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I was eagerly awaiting porting one of my iOS apps to a stand alone Apple watch app back in 2015 when the first Apple watch was released. Then I found out it didn't support stand alone apps, so customers would have to buy the iOS version, then somehow buy a Watch version via the in-app purchase mechanism on the iPhone. Managing that would have sucked.

I also felt it was BS to force the customer to buy the iOS version if they only wanted the watch version - so here's an example of an honest developer (me) not wanting to screw customers.

Apple changing their position on this is a sure sign that the Apple Watch is not doing well. "Compromise" is only a term Apple only understands when they become desperate.
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Exactly, there's no money in supporting Apple watch.

Isn't Apple Watch itself doing well? It's a huge driver for their earnings as of late.

I think the Apps though are doing terribly as you confirmed.
 
Isn't Apple Watch itself doing well? It's a huge driver for their earnings as of late.

I think the Apps though are doing terribly as you confirmed.

The iPhone was a success only because Apple was reasonable to developers in 2008 because Apple NEEDED developers to help (re)define the "Smartphone" by creating apps for it. Apple in their arrogance left developers out of the process of defining the Smartwatch by forcing idiotic App Store policies on Developers.

Despite what Apple says, the Watch is not doing well, at least not when compared to how the iPhone redefined the cell phone.
 
Paving the way for the Apple Watch to be a totally untethered device.

I’m planning on getting a 3G series 5 and going sans phone until they release an SE size replacement (maybe / probably never)

I was hoping to do this but my network doesn’t support them and I’m not switching, my deal is too good
 
Paving the way for the Apple Watch to be a totally untethered device.

I’m planning on getting a 3G series 5 and going sans phone until they release an SE size replacement (maybe / probably never)

Nope. It could have been untethered years ago if Apple wanted. It's a strategic decision for control not a technological one.
 
I install apps for their complications. If I actually want to do anything, I grab my phone. I find the App Store on the watch to be pretty humorous: A store interface on a postage-stamp sized display selling postage-stamp sized apps. Discovery seems like it will be quite a challenge.

"... discovery ... will be quite a challenge."

Heck, I have trouble just reading some of the complications!
 
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The iPhone was a success only because Apple was reasonable to developers in 2008 because Apple NEEDED developers to help (re)define the "Smartphone" by creating apps for it. Apple in their arrogance left developers out of the process of defining the Smartwatch by forcing idiotic App Store policies on Developers.

Despite what Apple says, the Watch is not doing well, at least not when compared to how the iPhone redefined the cell phone.

Agreed. The watch is still just an accessory for the most part. It will be some time before:
1. It’s completely independent and can replicate many iPhone capabilities more than reasonably
2. Like you hinted, if the masses adopt it as much as the iPhone.
 
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Agreed! I am really looking forward to the day when we can use an Apple Watch without owning an iPhone.

Me as well.... I would buy an apple watch in a minute if I didn't have to have the iphone, since I won't need a new phone for a little while longer.
 
I'm hoping this means way more functional apps for the watch. I kind of gave up on using apps on my watch, save for Runkeeper and the Weather Network. I'd love a dedicated RK app, it's always felt too buggy and unstable when I go for longer bike rides.
 
Paving the way for the Apple Watch to be a totally untethered device.

I’m planning on getting a 3G series 5 and going sans phone until they release an SE size replacement (maybe / probably never)
3G? The Series 3 and 4 have both used LTE, so I’d assume the 5 would as well.
 
So who own a Series 0 won't get any more 3rd party apps? If I want to keep Cardiogram on my watch I will have to keep old version on my phone?
 
I barely use watch apps. Strava is an exception and it is pretty weak.
The Strava app seems to be a minimum viable product from when the Series 2 launched that they have hardly touched since then. I am really hoping they finally put some effort into the watch app.
 
To continue their anatomical metaphors, Apple should call the app launcher on the watch "Iris"... because the icons are roughly the same size as your irises when you're staring at the sun.
 
Unfortunate side affect of so little innovation from Apple is that the only app updates seem to be "bug fixes"
Can't keep fixing bugs for too many more years.
Tim Apple has to go, he's turned into what Steve Jobs warned us against.
 
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Isnt the model for C25K actually a time based program?
I'm not sure about that, but my old "Get Running" app with its Couch to 5k mode would use the phone's GPS to track your run, telling you when along your journey you were to run, walk, and where the halfway point was.

If I could have that same app on my watch and be able to leave the phone at home, I'd buy it in a heartbeat!
 
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