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Apple Asks Supreme Court to Review App Store Contempt Ruling
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they did address it. it's paid for by royalties of other apps. epic wants ease of IAP without paying Apple royalties, breaking the economics of app developers submitting free apps. Steve Jobs literally addressed it on camera. go watch the announcement of the App Store event.
ProbablyDylan
macrumors 68040
It's kinda pathetic on Apple's part tbh. Be better.
sw1tcher
macrumors 604
How is it fair for small(er) app developers to subsidize the App Store for companies that are worth billions and trillions?
When did Apple sit-down with developers to negotiate an agreement? There is no choice for them.
All I am saying, as well as others in here, is let me have the CHOICE! Allow developers and publishers to choose a different app store with competitive terms. If someone does not want to download from a different app store that's fine! It will be available in the Apple app store with a 40% mark-up over the competitors store. Do you see how this benefits EVERY CONSUMER? Apple will fight to the death because they know it will hurt their bottom line. They will use "National Security" until they blue in the face. They will spend hundreds of millions to lobby against consumer rights.
Consumers have to fight anti-competitive practices. If you support right to repair, you support an open iPhone.
surferfb
macrumors 68030
Developers don’t have to develop for the iPhone if they don’t like the terms. The choice is “access to Apple’s customers, many of whom choose Apple because of the safety and security benefits Apple’s restrictions bring” or “don’t access Apple’s customers.”
But developers shouldn’t be entitled to freeload off of and actively harm that brand promise because they think they deserve to be able to use Apple’s IP without following Apple’s rules. It’s like declaring Whole Foods should be forced to sell factory farmed meat to its customers because Whole Foods customers spend more money on groceries and it not fair factory farmers don’t have access to those customers.
It does not benefit every consumer. In fact, it is WORSE for almost every consumer. And even if I don’t install from outside the App Store - it still can impact me.
When someone installs a compromised app (that was sideloaded or hosted on a third party store) and it harvests their contacts, it’s not just their data at risk; it’s everyone in their address book who never consented to anything. When someone gets phished through a sideloaded app and their iMessage or email account gets compromised, the people they communicate with are now receiving convincing social engineering attacks from a trusted contact. “My device, my risk” doesn’t work when the risk isn’t contained to you.
Not everyone has the time, interest, or skill sets required to vet software. For a large contingent of users “there is literally no way you can screw this up and install malware” is a huge selling feature that shouldn’t be removed because Tim Sweeney wants to freeload and a few tech nerds don’t want to use the platform that gives them the capability to sideload.
Apple will fight this “to the death” because it is better for the vast majority of their users - almost all of whom aren’t tech nerds posting on MacRumors who know what sideloading is and have opinions on it.
There’s a reason there is significantly more malware and scams on Android. It’s not because Android users are less sophisticated, it’s because Android allows sideloading and third party app stores.
As I said above two things can be true at the same time: this is better for the majority of Apple’s users AND it’s a benefit to Apple’s bottom line. Those things aren’t in conflict.
iOS has always been a curated, walled ecosystem. You didn’t buy a general-purpose computer that Apple then restricted on you after the fact; you bought into a product whose security model was part of the advertised value proposition from day one. Just because you bought an iPhone in spite of that doesn’t mean it should be taken away from everyone else just because you decided holding your nose on that point was still better than using Android.
TLDR: My safety and security shouldn’t be harmed because you don’t want to use an Android device.
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Starfia
macrumors 68000
Majority of the top grossing apps (via sensor tower) are from billion dollar companies actually, something Epic should be paying too
developers accept or reject the agreement before paying the $99/year fee.
if enough reject, apple will come up with a new a agreement. so far apple has secured enough agreements since inception for it to be viable under the current agreed-upon rules.
@surferfb
There's a lot I can rebut in your comment but I'm not going to win you over.
I like having choice and freedom.
There is risk in everything.
A corporation protects their interests not yours.
If there were only two car companies in the world, people would riot over such a duopoly.
There's a lot I can rebut in your comment but I'm not going to win you over.
I like having choice and freedom.
There is risk in everything.
A corporation protects their interests not yours.
If there were only two car companies in the world, people would riot over such a duopoly.
BGPL
macrumors 65816
You might want to check out those fake WhatsApp on third party stores. A great way to get malware onto your phone.
It’s not Apple’s fault there are only 2 smartphone ecosystems. Most of the blame for there only being 2 lies with google and their anti-competitive business practices, developers refusing to support windows phone, and other smartphone manufacturers refusing to make their own OSes and ecosystems. Apple plays no part in any of those reasons.
Successive governments and regulators refuse to grapple with the root cause of the issue.
This is the standard advice that everyone who does not understand long time Apple users spits back at them.
I understood when the iPhone first came out, I couldn't install third party apps. Same understanding applied when the App Store was created. And same understanding applied every single year after that.
If long time Apple users didn't understand that, that's their fault. Too bad for them.
or those fake wallet apps camping out for months on the super safe unsophisticated-user-protecting App Store in Apple’s profitable walled garden.
Kaspersky finds 26 fake crypto wallet apps on Apple's App Store that can drain digital assets
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Android devices are great for choice and freedom.
Except there's thousands of different kind of Android devices, some of which allow you to change it to look like Windows Phone if you wanted to.
If you bought a car expecting CarPlay to be supported and then find out it doesn't support CarPlay, that's user error.
Yeah, but long time users in Europe understood and their patience has been rewarded since July 1st, 2025 😊
That I did not know. No need to cite a source, I trust your info. So, have we seen a dramatic increase in malware on iOS in Europe since July 1st, 2025?
That's just admission of misunderstanding the product you've been buying for 17 years or so 😂