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Apple B.S.......!
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Someone smell a troll?
Damn, I wish I had time to post to boards I didn't care about, just to be inflammatory.
This guy is quickly making himself more popular than Bernie Schifman (stick his name in Google if you don't know who I'm talking about).
Maybe Bernie has created a new alias for himself....... rEd Eye.
However,
In Other News
the pipeline, is, as pointed out by krossfyter, slipping past the attention of a lot of people, as Apple 'do an Intel' with the G4.
Damn, I wish I had time to post to boards I didn't care about, just to be inflammatory.
This guy is quickly making himself more popular than Bernie Schifman (stick his name in Google if you don't know who I'm talking about).
Maybe Bernie has created a new alias for himself....... rEd Eye.
However,
In Other News
the pipeline, is, as pointed out by krossfyter, slipping past the attention of a lot of people, as Apple 'do an Intel' with the G4.
hehehe
Oh boy. This thread is a trip... LOL
red eye: thank you for humoring all of us!
now I really have to get back to my computer... A USB port seem to be missing...
Oh boy. This thread is a trip... LOL
red eye: thank you for humoring all of us!
now I really have to get back to my computer... A USB port seem to be missing...
Sorry,I didn't mean to start a # of usb ports war........(me in my own army),
just speaking my mind,howevever dull you may find my logic&choice of topic...
Glad that I could entertain you with my barbaric notions and ignorant viewpoints though
Oh well,off to peruse the more earth shattering subjects of immense consiquence such as which colours&shapes will the next pretty $mac$ come in.....................
just speaking my mind,howevever dull you may find my logic&choice of topic...
Glad that I could entertain you with my barbaric notions and ignorant viewpoints though
Oh well,off to peruse the more earth shattering subjects of immense consiquence such as which colours&shapes will the next pretty $mac$ come in.....................
i got it!!
rED EYE is one of those PC people that dont know a thing about computers. rED EYE...I am on an iMac 333 from 3-4 years ago, and guess what? ITS WORKING SOOO GREAT. Go buy a P4 2.0 GHz and give me a ring in 4 years. Tell me how it runs? What OS will you be running....DOS? Sounds good
As for me, I am quite happy here on my 4 USB PORT iMac. It really knocks the pants off most PCs, so there ya go. And in a few weeks, my G4 933 will be here.
Have fun on your USB PC rED EYE. Try to upgrade your "digital camera" to IEEE (1394) HAHAHAHA. IEEE, what kind of name is that for a copy cable from apple. I wish apple would stop licensing firewire use to other companies, so they could be like windows....
rED EYE is one of those PC people that dont know a thing about computers. rED EYE...I am on an iMac 333 from 3-4 years ago, and guess what? ITS WORKING SOOO GREAT. Go buy a P4 2.0 GHz and give me a ring in 4 years. Tell me how it runs? What OS will you be running....DOS? Sounds good
As for me, I am quite happy here on my 4 USB PORT iMac. It really knocks the pants off most PCs, so there ya go. And in a few weeks, my G4 933 will be here.
Have fun on your USB PC rED EYE. Try to upgrade your "digital camera" to IEEE (1394)
HAHAHAHA. IEEE, what kind of name is that for a copy cable from apple. I wish apple would stop licensing firewire use to other companies, so they could be like windows.... 
Hard Disks: Find me a HD currently on the market, whether sold by itself or as part of a system, which does NOT exhibit this property. Just one. I'm not holding my breath waiting. I explained pretty thoroughly what's going on here in the last thread you started on this topic, but you're clearly not interested, because you just started a new (more inflammatory) thread on the same subject. The "80G" drive Apple puts in a system is identical to the "80G" drive you see in a box on the shelf at your computer retailer. To single out Apple speaks of either ignorance or bias.
USB Ports: Your typical PC also has two available USB ports. Quit your whining and buy a hub already. You can practically get them out of gumball machines these days.
Price: Without getting into the conversion from US to Canadian dollars, a PC configured similarly to a G4 will NOT sell at 20% of the price of the G4. Given US pricing, and Apple's "Ultimate" configuration on the dual 1GHz G4 ($3899), you expect us to believe you can buy or build a similar Intel system for a fifth of that price, or under $800. Let's see how that works:
Inventory
2 CPUs, Dual CPU motherboard, 1.5GB RAM, 2 80G IDE HDs, a SuperDrive, GeForce4, 56K modem, Gigabit ethernet, FireWire support.
I did some research online. Note that in all cases I configured the system with the slowest processor available.
Compaq: Several components not available, including SuperDrive, GeForce4 and Gig. Ethernet. Configured with only 1G RAM since (with the exception of a 512MB option) they only sell in 1G increments. Cost: $4,680US.
HP: I could not find a similar base system among their Intel offerings. Maybe you could buy a HP/UX workstation from them, but you wouldn't be getting a bargain over the G4 there.
Dell: Dell actually offers almost every option available in the G4. They don't have GeForce4 cards yet, but I assume that's just temporary and the difference in bottom-line price will be minor. Cost: $5,785US.
Conclusion: Yes indeedy, there is definitely a big difference in price between the G4 and a similarly-featured Intel-based system. Just not the one you might imagine. Actually, before I went to look, I expected the PC-side offerings to come up a few hundred bucks less than the G4, so I could say, "see, it's not nearly that big a difference." Imagine my surprise.
USB Ports: Your typical PC also has two available USB ports. Quit your whining and buy a hub already. You can practically get them out of gumball machines these days.
Price: Without getting into the conversion from US to Canadian dollars, a PC configured similarly to a G4 will NOT sell at 20% of the price of the G4. Given US pricing, and Apple's "Ultimate" configuration on the dual 1GHz G4 ($3899), you expect us to believe you can buy or build a similar Intel system for a fifth of that price, or under $800. Let's see how that works:
Inventory
2 CPUs, Dual CPU motherboard, 1.5GB RAM, 2 80G IDE HDs, a SuperDrive, GeForce4, 56K modem, Gigabit ethernet, FireWire support.
I did some research online. Note that in all cases I configured the system with the slowest processor available.
Compaq: Several components not available, including SuperDrive, GeForce4 and Gig. Ethernet. Configured with only 1G RAM since (with the exception of a 512MB option) they only sell in 1G increments. Cost: $4,680US.
HP: I could not find a similar base system among their Intel offerings. Maybe you could buy a HP/UX workstation from them, but you wouldn't be getting a bargain over the G4 there.
Dell: Dell actually offers almost every option available in the G4. They don't have GeForce4 cards yet, but I assume that's just temporary and the difference in bottom-line price will be minor. Cost: $5,785US.
Conclusion: Yes indeedy, there is definitely a big difference in price between the G4 and a similarly-featured Intel-based system. Just not the one you might imagine. Actually, before I went to look, I expected the PC-side offerings to come up a few hundred bucks less than the G4, so I could say, "see, it's not nearly that big a difference." Imagine my surprise.
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"rED EYE is one of those PC people that dont know a thing about computers"
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Damn!you figured me out!
Gotta go play with my Radio shack Color Computer 3 now.
I wonder if the band geek will be my friend?
btw,
I don't disagree with many of the facts pointed out previously(excepting the pricing on the PC systems(BYO!)),however I find the fact that everyone so adamantly disagrees with the fact that the G4 towers only have three usb ports to be rather thick-headed.But as someone stated,so what!
I have discovered that this site is only for discussing happy,fluffy mac stuff,and would hardly expect anyone here to voluntarily discuss how the Apple Corp. is just as guilty as other multi-national corporations(including MS),of taking advantage of the consumer faith,the ability to charge to much,and the tendancy to over-glamorize advertising.Who doesn't?
So I guess I will just bend over,and let them give it to me.
Why fight it?
Signed,
Truly ignorant,as accused.
"rED EYE is one of those PC people that dont know a thing about computers"
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Damn!you figured me out!
Gotta go play with my Radio shack Color Computer 3 now.
I wonder if the band geek will be my friend?
btw,
I don't disagree with many of the facts pointed out previously(excepting the pricing on the PC systems(BYO!)),however I find the fact that everyone so adamantly disagrees with the fact that the G4 towers only have three usb ports to be rather thick-headed.But as someone stated,so what!
I have discovered that this site is only for discussing happy,fluffy mac stuff,and would hardly expect anyone here to voluntarily discuss how the Apple Corp. is just as guilty as other multi-national corporations(including MS),of taking advantage of the consumer faith,the ability to charge to much,and the tendancy to over-glamorize advertising.Who doesn't?
So I guess I will just bend over,and let them give it to me.
Why fight it?
Signed,
Truly ignorant,as accused.
And the troll responds...
Make up your mind... is it 3 or 4 ports that you don't agree with.
Once you hook up your USB keyboard and mouse you have 3 ports left, just like you would with a PC. Leave off the mouse and you have 4...
What's the problem???
Sorry if we all sound like Mac zealots who've been blinded by the shining light emanating from Cupertino...truth is we just can't stand uninformed people slamming the Mac. Period.
Make up your mind... is it 3 or 4 ports that you don't agree with.
Once you hook up your USB keyboard and mouse you have 3 ports left, just like you would with a PC. Leave off the mouse and you have 4...
What's the problem???
Sorry if we all sound like Mac zealots who've been blinded by the shining light emanating from Cupertino...truth is we just can't stand uninformed people slamming the Mac. Period.
dude. i dont really care about 3 0r 4 or 2 usb ports...all i care about is if it is from APPLE.....because thier products are better.
screw microcrap.
screw microcrap.
USB port count is a pointless item... If you have more then one device that needs power from the cpu, get a damned hub (as suggested more then a few times in previous posts). I USED to connect my printer to the spare on the back of the case, but no longer (see signature). Any pointing device can be plugged into either of the two ports on the keyboard. Who uses USB 1.1 for anything other then input devices (mice, keyboard occasional joystick)? It is NOT intended for high data throughput, it is just too damned slow for that. At 12Mb MAXIMUM, who wants to take hours to copy files that could take minutes with a firewire device?? When you connect the keyboard to the computer (G4 tower) you still have 3 available, connect a mouse and you have two... why do you need more?? If you count all the ports connected, you get four (including used ones).
I've said it before, and I guess I will have to say it yet again.. this really is a NON-ISSUE you are nit picking to the n'th degree. Get over it already sheeeesh.
There is no way to build a pc with the same features as a DP1GHz system for $800 (US or canadian). The processors alone will come close to that, add a dp mobo and you are over it. It just keeps adding up... and you DON'T want to know how much a GIGABIT ethernet card is going for (hundreds of US dollars).
I've said it before, and I guess I will have to say it yet again.. this really is a NON-ISSUE you are nit picking to the n'th degree. Get over it already sheeeesh.
There is no way to build a pc with the same features as a DP1GHz system for $800 (US or canadian). The processors alone will come close to that, add a dp mobo and you are over it. It just keeps adding up... and you DON'T want to know how much a GIGABIT ethernet card is going for (hundreds of US dollars).
That could get you messy... LOL!!!
I also agree.. USB port count was the LAST item I was concerned with, or considered when I picked up any of my Mac systems.
The "Troll" Replies
Honestly,if any of you had bothered to actually read any of this rather lame discussion,you would realised that you hadn't even bothered actually reading anything I've said.
Check back and see if the sole purpose of this thread was to focus on whether there is three or four actual usb ports on the G4.
I was initialising a discussion concerning Apples advertising vs.reality.I could have made reference to many other companies,and the misleading information that they give in regards to their product,however,this is a Mac based forum.
I did not initialise insulting your intelligence,as you have so freely mine,but I may as well carry on the tradition.............
.........By the time you finish reading this,all you will have heard is bla bla bla....something something 3-4usb ports.......,so please feel free to remind me again how many are on the keyboard,how many are on the computer,and how many the mouse occupies.
You think that I'm entertaining...............sheeeesh!
Honestly,if any of you had bothered to actually read any of this rather lame discussion,you would realised that you hadn't even bothered actually reading anything I've said.
Check back and see if the sole purpose of this thread was to focus on whether there is three or four actual usb ports on the G4.
I was initialising a discussion concerning Apples advertising vs.reality.I could have made reference to many other companies,and the misleading information that they give in regards to their product,however,this is a Mac based forum.
I did not initialise insulting your intelligence,as you have so freely mine,but I may as well carry on the tradition.............
.........By the time you finish reading this,all you will have heard is bla bla bla....something something 3-4usb ports.......,so please feel free to remind me again how many are on the keyboard,how many are on the computer,and how many the mouse occupies.
You think that I'm entertaining...............sheeeesh!
Re: ?????
Sooooo, you want us to compare Apple's prebuilt offerings not to offerings from competing companies, but to what you can get by building it yourself. Gee, that's fair. But for the sake of argument, I went over to PriceWatch and shopped for components. I pretended I was going to be building the system myself, meaning I was shopping for bargains, but at the same time I didn't "buy" any crappy components just to save money. The system I priced, with the same features as the $3899 "Ultimate" DPG41GHz configuration mentioned above, would have cost me about $3200 with no software (not even an OS).
That also doesn't include shipping for all the separate components (which I had to "buy" from all over the place in order to get the low prices). Alternatively I could buy all the components locally and pay a few hundred bucks extra for the convenience.
So ultimately, I wind up with a system that's going to cost me about the same amount as the G4, but I've gotta put it together myself (which actually I enjoy doing, but I'm in the vast minority there). I wind up with a system that comes with no support; If anything goes wrong, I have to isolate the problem myself and, if necessary, exchange individual components (which I can do for myself, but again, I'm the oddball there). And after all that trouble, what I've got is a Wintel machine, when for the same money I could have had a Mac.
Sooooo, you want us to compare Apple's prebuilt offerings not to offerings from competing companies, but to what you can get by building it yourself. Gee, that's fair. But for the sake of argument, I went over to PriceWatch and shopped for components. I pretended I was going to be building the system myself, meaning I was shopping for bargains, but at the same time I didn't "buy" any crappy components just to save money. The system I priced, with the same features as the $3899 "Ultimate" DPG41GHz configuration mentioned above, would have cost me about $3200 with no software (not even an OS).
That also doesn't include shipping for all the separate components (which I had to "buy" from all over the place in order to get the low prices). Alternatively I could buy all the components locally and pay a few hundred bucks extra for the convenience.
So ultimately, I wind up with a system that's going to cost me about the same amount as the G4, but I've gotta put it together myself (which actually I enjoy doing, but I'm in the vast minority there). I wind up with a system that comes with no support; If anything goes wrong, I have to isolate the problem myself and, if necessary, exchange individual components (which I can do for myself, but again, I'm the oddball there). And after all that trouble, what I've got is a Wintel machine, when for the same money I could have had a Mac.
Still Trolling......hehe
Just for the sake of it.I followed your lead(kinda off track now),and went to pricewatch and built this system(rather quickly,mind you)
Again,I did not cut corners(except for stuff I don't need).
ASUS A7M266-D,266mhz system bus,
Dual AMD 1200mhz
512mb ddram
80gb seagate IDE drive
Quality cd-rom,floppy drive
Geforce 4MX video card
10/100 ethernet(quality)
case w/350w power supply
5 port usb adapter
mouse
keyboard
Windows XP pro
I don't really have any real need of the superdrive,so I left it out.I already own an external cdrw,and I dont own any DVD's to watch on my mac.
What the hell am I going to do with gigabit ethernet,audio is my gig,so I left it out.I already own a professional soundcard,so I left it out.
good old BUILT TO ORDER!
This came to $1010 US,add another $300 for shipping and forgotten necessities,and that's $1310
So,I managed to build a similar machine,to the specs that suit my purpose for less than half what the $2,999 G4 costs,without cutting any corners except that I would probably buy the fastest CPU if I was going to be working full time with it.
However,I am not going to do this because I am software dependant on the Mac,plus I don't like windoze........(xcept I already own one a kick-ass one that I built for under a $1000 dollars!)
I still can't help but feel like I'm paying $1800 for stuff that I don't want or need,a brand new OS that I have no use for yet,and precision polished plastic that cannot be upgraded.At least with a pc,you can tear out your old mobo,and slap in an new one with a top of the line CPU for under $500,whera's to upgrade your mac you have to get rid of the whole unit for a shiny new $2900 one.
Honestly though,this is an entirely different discussion
Just for the sake of it.I followed your lead(kinda off track now),and went to pricewatch and built this system(rather quickly,mind you)
Again,I did not cut corners(except for stuff I don't need).
ASUS A7M266-D,266mhz system bus,
Dual AMD 1200mhz
512mb ddram
80gb seagate IDE drive
Quality cd-rom,floppy drive
Geforce 4MX video card
10/100 ethernet(quality)
case w/350w power supply
5 port usb adapter
mouse
keyboard
Windows XP pro
I don't really have any real need of the superdrive,so I left it out.I already own an external cdrw,and I dont own any DVD's to watch on my mac.
What the hell am I going to do with gigabit ethernet,audio is my gig,so I left it out.I already own a professional soundcard,so I left it out.
good old BUILT TO ORDER!
This came to $1010 US,add another $300 for shipping and forgotten necessities,and that's $1310
So,I managed to build a similar machine,to the specs that suit my purpose for less than half what the $2,999 G4 costs,without cutting any corners except that I would probably buy the fastest CPU if I was going to be working full time with it.
However,I am not going to do this because I am software dependant on the Mac,plus I don't like windoze........(xcept I already own one a kick-ass one that I built for under a $1000 dollars!)
I still can't help but feel like I'm paying $1800 for stuff that I don't want or need,a brand new OS that I have no use for yet,and precision polished plastic that cannot be upgraded.At least with a pc,you can tear out your old mobo,and slap in an new one with a top of the line CPU for under $500,whera's to upgrade your mac you have to get rid of the whole unit for a shiny new $2900 one.
Honestly though,this is an entirely different discussion
You cut out things that would have made the system comparable. Such as the gigabit ethernet and super drive... Just because YOU didn't want them, doesn't mean sqwat to me. If you are going to build a comparable system, then do it right or don't even bother. What do you call a 'quality' NIC card??? 3Com is the accepted standard for quality (works in just about any peecee out there or that you want to build)
Do it right, or don't bother... ya troll
Do it right, or don't bother... ya troll
OMG!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, you know this new iBook that I have was 1499.00 and Apple totally ripped me off because I don't NEED this combo drive. I should have bought that 999.00 gateway that has only a CD Rom drive. Screw Apple those lousy bastar#s.
Oh, what you say Apple has an iBook with only a cd for 1199.00 who would have thought that was possible.
If you don't want the superdrive, then buy the entry level G4.
Oh, and one other thing. Apple says my iBook has two USB ports, but when I plug in my external mouse I only have one! Those liars! Also, my iMac that has four USB ports, when I plug in my mouse and keyboard, and printer, and soundsticks, then I don't have any. Should I not be able to plug in all of my equipment and still have four ports left?
Oh, wait, I do, I bought a hub.
Dude, you know this new iBook that I have was 1499.00 and Apple totally ripped me off because I don't NEED this combo drive. I should have bought that 999.00 gateway that has only a CD Rom drive. Screw Apple those lousy bastar#s.
Oh, what you say Apple has an iBook with only a cd for 1199.00 who would have thought that was possible.
If you don't want the superdrive, then buy the entry level G4.
Oh, and one other thing. Apple says my iBook has two USB ports, but when I plug in my external mouse I only have one! Those liars! Also, my iMac that has four USB ports, when I plug in my mouse and keyboard, and printer, and soundsticks, then I don't have any. Should I not be able to plug in all of my equipment and still have four ports left?
Oh, wait, I do, I bought a hub.
To paraphrase:
Dear Gods, you mean the '78 Malibu you rebuilt from scratch was cheaper than my 2002 Lamborgini Diablo? Oh, but it has comparable RPM and more seats.........ahhhhh I see......I really got screwed.
Dear Gods, you mean the '78 Malibu you rebuilt from scratch was cheaper than my 2002 Lamborgini Diablo? Oh, but it has comparable RPM and more seats.........ahhhhh I see......I really got screwed.
Once again...make up your mind!!!
Well it looks to me like you mention several thngs in your initial post, therefore this discussion is not just about the USB ports. You began to focus on just the USB ports once you realised that your other complaints were completely baseless, and you had been summarily shot down by the responses everyone else posted.
You are obviously backpedaling as fast as you can to try to maintain some semblance of credibility.
On the tech specs page for the PowerMac G4 Apple says point blank:
Four USB ports (two on system, two on keyboard)
How is that misleading?
Every company uses confusing/misleading language to try to make their product sound better than it really is. Apple is actually better than most about being straight forward with their customers.
"Megahertz Myth" anyone?
Well it looks to me like you mention several thngs in your initial post, therefore this discussion is not just about the USB ports. You began to focus on just the USB ports once you realised that your other complaints were completely baseless, and you had been summarily shot down by the responses everyone else posted.
You are obviously backpedaling as fast as you can to try to maintain some semblance of credibility.
On the tech specs page for the PowerMac G4 Apple says point blank:
Four USB ports (two on system, two on keyboard)
How is that misleading?
Every company uses confusing/misleading language to try to make their product sound better than it really is. Apple is actually better than most about being straight forward with their customers.
"Megahertz Myth" anyone?
Okay, I hate to get dragged into the whole USB thing (mainly because it was only a small part of the original topic). But, here we go:
It's quite a valid argument. Either way you look at it, we, the consumer, end up paying more money for expansion cards, hubs, etc. in order to take advantage of Apple's claim of being the Digital Hub.
We're already paying quite a bit for that luxury, is it really a big deal to add two more USB and FireWire ports?
It's quite a valid argument. Either way you look at it, we, the consumer, end up paying more money for expansion cards, hubs, etc. in order to take advantage of Apple's claim of being the Digital Hub.
We're already paying quite a bit for that luxury, is it really a big deal to add two more USB and FireWire ports?
Sorry to bust your bubble here, but every Mac comes with what you need to connect both USB AND FireWire devices to it. IF you have more devices then open ports, and cannot chain them together, are you going to blame Apple??? I woudn't.
I have two external FireWire hard drives, a FireWire scanner, an iBot, and a few USB devices. All the FireWire devices can be placed onto my TiBook, since all but the scanner come with two ports on them. As for the USB devices, I have enough open ports to do what I need without having to get ANY cards. Both USB and FireWire buses can support more devices then you can dream of connecting. You might need to provide power to some down the chain that are normally bus powered, but that is included in the device documentation.
Do you know how many peecee's come with more then two USB OR FireWire ports as standard equipment??? MAYBE one or two, if you are lucky. Do you also know how many peecee keyboards come with USB hubs built in??? Try and find one at your local computer store...
If you have so many devices for the digital hub, there is a pretty good chance you spent the few extra dollars (under $50 for a 4-port USB hub, and $100, o less, can get you a FireWire one) to get some hubs.
All of this is true. But I'm being the "consumer advocate" here. Apple touts simplicity and the digital hub, and yet if I were two go get three USB devices (not that I actually would!) but just say, three devices that Apple sports in their digital hub strategy, I would have to buy a hub.
More later. (Gotta go.)