Why would it be against the card issuers terms? The account holder would need to authorize the family share.
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Apple Begins Asking Developers to Turn On Family Sharing for iOS 8 and OS X Yosemite Apps
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Why would it be against the card issuers terms? The account holder would need to authorize the family share.
"Home Sharing enables you to transfer apps among up to five authorized computers in your household. To do so, you will need to turn on Home Sharing on each computer using the same Apple ID."
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3819
Please do tell me what part of the above do you not understand? Are you saying Apple is saying you can transfer them but you can't use them? You can transfer them but you are not authorized to use them? You're hung up on the streaming part of Home Sharing and keep missing that Apple specifically states that you can LEGALLY TRANSFER APPS AMONG PEOPLE IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD USING HOME SHARING.
I am doing it right now. Regular device authorization DOES NOT allow this. You have to be signed in with the same Apple ID. Only HOME SHARING allows you to be signed into a different Apple ID from the app that was purchased and STILL LEGALLY BE AUTHORIZED to USE the app. Home Sharing's own distinct authorization above and beyond the regular 5 device authorization does the validation.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3819
Please do tell me what part of the above do you not understand? Are you saying Apple is saying you can transfer them but you can't use them? You can transfer them but you are not authorized to use them? You're hung up on the streaming part of Home Sharing and keep missing that Apple specifically states that you can LEGALLY TRANSFER APPS AMONG PEOPLE IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD USING HOME SHARING.
I am doing it right now. Regular device authorization DOES NOT allow this. You have to be signed in with the same Apple ID. Only HOME SHARING allows you to be signed into a different Apple ID from the app that was purchased and STILL LEGALLY BE AUTHORIZED to USE the app. Home Sharing's own distinct authorization above and beyond the regular 5 device authorization does the validation.
I stand corrected. I am now playing RiskHD which I purchased through my wife's account on my iPad, which is linked to my account.
Thank you, newagemac.
But like you said, Apple's support document could have been clearer about the distinction between the Homesharing AppleID and iTunes account AppleID's.
Also, you will need to have at least one Mac, and iDevices need to be synced to iTunes/Mac to transfer purchases.
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In fact, now I fear that FamilyShare will replace HomeShare and all accounts would have to be tied to the same CC. HomeShare is a little convoluted, but now that I have figured it out, it's pretty straightforward (apart from the ridiculously arcane syncing to iTunes process, but that is a different story). At least it does not care about which CC is on file with which ID.
Thank you, newagemac.
But like you said, Apple's support document could have been clearer about the distinction between the Homesharing AppleID and iTunes account AppleID's.
Also, you will need to have at least one Mac, and iDevices need to be synced to iTunes/Mac to transfer purchases.
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In fact, now I fear that FamilyShare will replace HomeShare and all accounts would have to be tied to the same CC. HomeShare is a little convoluted, but now that I have figured it out, it's pretty straightforward (apart from the ridiculously arcane syncing to iTunes process, but that is a different story). At least it does not care about which CC is on file with which ID.
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That must be a recent change because that is not how it use to work. The authorization for playing protected content off home network or syncing to iDevices required computer authorization over and above Home Sharing which used to be only applied to streaming and also when the computer was connected to the home network, but was broken when the unauthorized computer was taken off the home network. The unauthorized computer would then no longer be able to play the protected media if it was only authorized by Home Sharing and apps could only be transferred and synced to iDevices from a computer that was authorized to play the iTunes media even if Home Sharing was turned on.
Are you sure your computer is not authorized to play your wife's iTunes content?
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Thank you for proving that he had absolutely no idea what he was talking about. His next response is going to be some BS about the app must not have properly validated or something but he can't provide a single example of this not working. I already know he can't because Apple specifically states that Home Sharing authorization (and only Home Sharing) legally allows you to do this.
Now keep in mind that as I explained in one of my earlier posts the only downside is that the app doesn't show up in your purchases and more importantly updates require the password of the original purchaser. Those downsides seem to have been eliminated with the new Family Sharing.
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That has not been the case for at least 3 years now when I originally set ours up. You do still need device authorization but apps get authorized and validated for use with Home Sharing authorization. I had posted about this in the forums some time ago but Apple has totally flubbed explaining how Home Sharing works. Heck, most people still think with Home Sharing that you have to be signed into iTunes and your devices with a single Apple ID when that is not what it says.
Wait ... now your saying you DO need device authorization ... for what? Because otherwise that's what I've been saying.
Are you sure your computer is not authorized to play your wife's iTunes content?
Just being authorized to play my wife's iTunes content through regular device authorization will NOT allow me to use her apps on my device. You are explicitly required to link the different accounts together under Home Sharing to allow that. Which is what I have been trying to get through to till213.
To understand why this is so, you have to understand Apple's intentions. Apple intended people to use their own Apple ID's for everything. Device authorization was supposed to be so that you can access music and etc. on your OWN devices. But since there is a limit of 5 devices they don't care if you're using it in the way everybody has been doing it. However, home sharing was specifically intended to resolve the issue of multiple people in a home having access to and being authorized to use each other's content purchased in iTunes.
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Okay I think we are on the same page. Yes, Home Sharing lets you transfer apps, but your computer needs to be authorized to play the iTunes content for the sync to work. That's what I was trying to say.
This is another advantage of Family Sharing. For example, for my Dad to access protected content purchased by me, I don't have to spend one of my device authorizations for my content on his computer. And he gets them in his account for download and updating (as you pointed out) which can now be done from anywhere, not just on the home network.
Exactly. Home Sharing was a somewhat convoluted process that few really understood but it worked. The music streaming part is the only thing most people even used it for and few even understood how to set that up. Family Sharing makes the whole thing super simple and gets rid of the few downsides it had.
You can do it, but you have to log into YOUR account to to get a game you bought on another device. This allows you to do it from MANY accounts as long as they are members of your Sharing family. I have been waiting for this for a long time.
Also, if my kids are using their Apple ID, I have to be able to log into that to use find my phone when they misplace it. This will eliminate that and I love that.
OK, everything worked fine this morning with my MBA/10.9.3 but on my MP/10.8.5 the shared folder doesn't show up in iTunes. What am I doing wrong?
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I see. This is cumbersome. In order to see my wife's library on this computer, or even on the MBA, she needs to be logged in.
She does not have her own Mac. I created a user account for her stuff on my MBA, and I can't log her out there because that will cause her library to disappear on my user account on that machine, as well as on my MP.
Not the end of the world, but not the most elegant solution either.
I have got to say this again, when it comes to multi-user and sync stuff, Apple appears to be a step or two behind the competition.
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I see. This is cumbersome. In order to see my wife's library on this computer, or even on the MBA, she needs to be logged in.
She does not have her own Mac. I created a user account for her stuff on my MBA, and I can't log her out there because that will cause her library to disappear on my user account on that machine, as well as on my MP.
Not the end of the world, but not the most elegant solution either.
I have got to say this again, when it comes to multi-user and sync stuff, Apple appears to be a step or two behind the competition.
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So if I turn home sharing on all my family computers I would be able to use the apps purchased by my family? I know how to use with music but I was not aware I can use with apps.
Do you know how to do this process? Thanks.
Yes but with one significant issue though. Any updates to the apps require knowing the original purchaser's password. This hasn't been an issue with me and my wife but with Family Sharing coming soon, I would just wait because then you wouldn't have to worry about that either.
As far as the process, you just pull up their iTunes content in iTunes made visible with Home Sharing and drag and drop the apps you want into your Library similar to how you can drag and drop their music. Then sync the apps over to your iDevice. These steps won't even be necessary once the new Family Sharing is available. You'll be able to just find and select the apps you want of theirs directly on your iDevice.
I'm a software developer and do expect to be paid, but don't see 6 users in the one house as losing sales but gaining them. I don't think I'd get sales from more than one phone in a household anyway. Which is the way its been in software for ever, people used one disk to install software on to all their machines in the house.
