Sure. But that’s not what I asked for. I said $5000 is a very reasonable price for a modular Mac Pro in which you could plug Titans. If it’s a non-modular iMac, then the price is not $5000, but $5000 every three years. It’s not worth it. It’s not the kind of long-term investment I do for pro boxes. What people get wrong again and again is getting scared by the $5000 number. It’s not that number, but how often Apple wants you to pay it.
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IMO, just a different Apple. That Apple had to deliver for customers or bust. Shareholders were probably secondary as either Apple would make that first iMac sell or the stock was probably plunging to fire sale prices. Share buyers were not lining up to throw money at that Apple. So the money had to come from tech buyers. Apple had to dazzle buyers with great offerings to rebuild enthusiasm for Apple.
(Also IMO) The modern Apple rides the halo/goodwill and incredible momentum of that Apple to prioritize ROI for shareholders. Customers buy anyway because we want the whole in spite of losing some part... or we'd rather put up with some letdown rather than (up to) completely change platforms. We may whine and whine and whine about seemingly bad decisions (for us) but then we give Apple our money anyway. So Apple keeps setting records and thus is rewarded for every decision made whether great for us consumers or not. This persists until consumers as a group finally say "no"... with their wallets.
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When was Apple a bargain computer manufacturer? Do you remember how much their best towers cost in the ‘90s? Of course upgradability is nice but these are expandable to 128 GB RAM. That’s a ridiculous amount and will not be obsolete in 3 years!
I guess whoever bought it can't pay it off. I could afford it, but I rather put the money towards my pension plan and some sound investments. I will be 65 one day.
True, it's just that I still not use to workstation that expensive. I know there were expensive computers when i started too but I ended up with C64/Amiga 500 & 1200.
If I was making money from my Mac, I wouldn't mind. But even then, a normal iMac would be just fine too.
I would say that while I feel your pain, 7 years on any computer is a good run. I’m going to replace my 2012 MBA when new MacBook Pros are released because it is about time. I would always recommend a 3-6 year computer window for a Mac depending on needs and workflow, and then replacing it and selling the old one used. You can get decent value still before it gets too old or even use the Apple Renew program for a smaller but easier payout.
I knew a wealthy doctor who bought a high end G4 Tower in 2002 and hooked it up to a TV screen and ran it all day in his office with iPhoto running a slideshow of his photo collection. That was a lot of money for a continuous screensaver.
Not really. Depending on what work you do, how long you plan on holding on to your computer, and the price of upgrades, it can make far more economical sense to buy a product and then just buy another one rather than upgrading piecemeal. Back when my parents had a graphics design studio they just bought a new computer outright every four years because that was a smarter use of their money.
Not to mention any hardware is going to be outdated in two years. You can upgrade the processors, the GPU, add more RAM, a PCIe slot, but you're going to be stuck with the same logic board, the same RAM speed, the same PCIe bandwidth. There are components you simply cannot swap without getting into a ship of theseus argument whether it's the same computer. Whether or not it makes a better economic argument for you to, for instance, buy a cheaper computer and pump more money into it via upgrades is a subjective argument.
Yep. I the same EXACT boat as you my friend. It went from being worth about $1100 on the open market to absolute zero on one bad start up. It sits in my closet now. Can't throw it away. Not ambitious enough to sell for parts.
That's why I had to go Hackintosh, another big ol can of worms in itself.
But it DID force me to use Windows 10. (Especially for VR), and except for the fact that I still suffer doing "work" work on it, (We get so used to our key-combos and mouse scrolling's) I'm kind of adapting to life on the dark side.
It's cool being able to actually buy components without having to give up the whole she-bang when you desire an upgrade.
I think a lot of others share our pain as well, and for a long term standpoint it has converted this one time Mac evangelist into an open minded computing kind of guy. I admire the hardware software synchronicity of the Mac, and they DO know how to make a pretty product, but in the end it just costs too much. I own 3 High End VR headsets that have given me a LOT of entertainment over the last 2 years. And there is still not a single mac capable of running them at decent setting without a $5000 minimum entrants fee.
And that's too much.
Not saying the the iMac pro is not a value for what it is, because it IS priced competitively for what you get.
It just has too many things I just don't need for the ONE THING I really do need. (A decent graphics card)
So, I'm out of the ecosystem.
I may pick up a mini and a monitor if they ever decide to do anything with that just for my adobe work software
and the ability to hook into work from home. (Mostly web so I don't need tons of horsepower)
So yeah.
It's just a shame.
WRC
That used to be true in the past, however progress across the whole computer industry has slowed down considerably over the last few years. So if your workflow doesn't require 4K video or ultrafast IO via the latest Thunderbold, a SandyBridge i7 processor is still a very capable machine for almost any task you trow at it. Just have a look at some Geekbench scores and you find out that even in benchmarks this machine is not so far behind as its age would suggest.
The other thing is, not only the computer is bricked, but also a perfectly working display and other components. The environmental impact of disposing an iMac is significantly greater than for any ordinary desktop computer.
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Right, because bearing by Apple's latest practices it will last that before something breaks. GPU choice & thermals still subpar and component upgrade prices are hilarious. It's clear at this point the Mac Pro will be another epic fail sadly.
I'd have thought that the people the iMac Pro is aimed at would have, well within the two years you state, had the machine make them an amount of money many times more than the cost of the machine in the first place. And after those two years, it will still be an incredibly useful machine. Same could be said for the two 10 year old C2D iMacs I have in my offices (alongside my newer Macs) that still get used every day for what I bought them for - fairly weighty graphic design work - and they still work as they did straight out of the box. Given that Moore's Law is now a thing of the past, an iMac Pro in the same scenario, over the course of time, will represent incredible bang for the buck, many years after the initial purchase. And discounted, even more so.
I personally update my MBP every 2 or so years. I find more value in just refreshing weaker hardware every once in a while to keep both my entire setup visually fresh as well as any new tech advancements. Also with buying refurbished from Apple and selling it close enough to when I bought, I only end up losing about $500-750 every upgrade which is nice for a new computer imo.
Not only it cannot be upgraded, but it’s an AiO. One component fails, and the whole machine goes to Apple service (that is, supposing they still accept to service it). I can pay up to $6000 for a modular Mac Pro (the lack of interesting Macs helped me save), but I won’t pay more than $2500 for an AiO.
And let’s hope the iMac Pro is a failure in sales, because otherwise you can say bye bye to the “promised” modular Mac Pro, which is a product the current Apple really hates.
At $4499 brand new with no tax from B&H
versus
$4249 + $425 WA state sales tax = $4674 for Apple refurb....
Need I say any more
versus
$4249 + $425 WA state sales tax = $4674 for Apple refurb....
Need I say any more
The machine (CPU/HD/Display) will not be obsolete, but the GPU sure will be. In fact IMO the GPU already is obsolete.
Apple hardware pricing really brings out the value of Mac OS X. I could buy a PC running Windows for a lot less, but I won't because I want to run Mac OS X, and I don't want a hackintosh because I don't want to have to mess with my machine every time an update is released.
How much is that OS X premium? For a hackintosh that's thousands of dollars.
How much is that OS X premium? For a hackintosh that's thousands of dollars.
Um
It's a workstation class machine.
Similar workstation class machines for similar prices, such as the HP Z8, can be specced to 3TB of RAM.
Workstations are not bought to screw around on, they're made for serious number crunching, 128GB is nothing for these applications.
Well, I am sorry to hear, but at least be glad you had a „service period“. The iMac Pro does NOT. As soon as Apple Care Plus runs out there is no chance of repairing it- even if you are willing to pay for. Apple themselves (for example a broken glass) will not repair it and they don‘t hand out the parts to 3rd parties—- just break the glass and you need to buy a new one...
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