Greedy lawyers? How about PO'd customers who don't want their expensive iPhones to be intentionally throttled? When I bought my iPhone, I expect it to work as originally designed. Otherwise give me my money back.
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Greedy lawyers? How about PO'd customers who don't want their expensive iPhones to be intentionally throttled? When I bought my iPhone, I expect it to work as originally designed. Otherwise give me my money back.
And exactly how do you know it isn't working as Apple originally designed it? (e.g. speed boosted to best match the battery's age, temperature, number of charge cycles, cell tower distance, etc.)
Nothing’s been exposed.
Geekbench triggers the throttling because it’s demanding full performance from the processor (something most Apps don’t do).
And herein lies the hypocrisy of comments surrounding Geekbench.
When an iPhone processor (like the A11) trounces every other phone on the planet, people claim Geekbench numbers don’t jive with real world usage (in other words, it doesn’t matter if your Phone scores lower if your Apps run good). This is supposedly proven by “speed tests” of phones with slower processors that can open Apps as fast as an iPhone, allowing people to come to the false conclusion their phone is just as fast (or faster) and Geekbench is meaningless.
Now we have people seeing a lower Geekbench score on devices with depleted batteries. And suddenly Geekbench is a reliable and accurate way to judge the OVERALL speed of your device when previously it wasn’t.
As I said in the previous thread, someone needs to test the speed of a wide variety of Apps before and after a defective battery replacement (and at different states of charge) to see what the differences are. I imagine some Apps would see no difference, some would see a slight slowdown and others would see a significant slowdown.
This is the only reliable way to see how much the operation of your device changes with a defective battery vs a new battery. Geekbench is absolutely useless in this case, other than to highlight that there’s something going on.
Can I ask a dumb question? If I have an iPhone 6 Plus that seems to be running slow, and I replace the battery, will Apple's software then STOP slowing the phone down?
They are not expected. Most drivers know nothing about how the engine controller varies power output. They just complain without having a clue. The auto manufacturers put those algorithms in the engine controllers to keep clueless drivers from blowing up their engine, or requiring early or expensive repairs, etc.
At the same time, 3D Touch is a huge feature on newer iPhones. When I used to own the SE, I felt the phone was just different because of being used to 3D Touch. The gesture support on the X will not be on any other iPhone until the 2018 models are released. iOS is also fragmented in the sense that the iPad has a ton of multi-tasking options that are not available on a big screen iPhone. I don't mind the SE not having split-screen dual app usage. But the X not having it is big disappointment.
A true filesystem will never exist on iOS because it defeats the purpose of a walled-garden. I was just happy the file system now makes accessing saved attachments easier to access. That was a huge plus in the right direction.
It's easier to hypothesize how a majority of iOS users will react to a newer feature, but it is hard to accurately state what will occur if ringtone changing was made easier via the music app.
It shows the difference at initial set up, but to toggle it, you have to access via settings or control center. It's enabled at default rather than an option to change like the standard screen or a zoomed screen to help those who need to see bigger font sizes and what not.
The A11 is designed to be better conceptually because Apple controls the software + hardware design and can optimize its products far more than many Android offerings. Android relies on Qualcomm's older concepts more than iOS has to. iPhone relies on Qualcomm for its CDMA modems since they control IP for CDMA. CDMA is older stuff anyways since most of the world relies on GSM. It's known that android consumers more RAM to run better than iOS. I will admit that. But at the same time, now we know that 3 years isn't a reasonable expectation to use an iPhone as evidence by an iPhone 6 or 6+. Apple even admitted they gimped products. My X might not be reliable in about 3 years sadly. I doubt a Galaxy S8 will be reliable in 3 years either. Apple's difference in software/hardware harmony was sufficient enough to entice me to return to iOS since I had too many headaches with the Galaxy Note 8. If I had the Pixel 2, I doubt I would've came back to iPhone since the Pixel 2 mimics the iOS experience enough for me not to return.
Well, iOS offers Apple Pen support on premium iPads, it does not on iPhones. We need something where they can add stylus support intuitively into a device. iPads offer split-screen multi-tasking even on a $250 iPad 2017 (if on sale, it is $250 or so). iOS does more with iOS 11 than it did with iOS 7. That is the nature of technology advancing. However, Android is more agnostic than iOS. You can set default apps, change themes, use widgets better, customize notifications more in a cleaner fashion, etc. Yes, it does take some tweaking to tailor the experience to a comfortable level.
But at the same time, some Android OEMs take strides to make their products more "user-friendly." I don't like that euphemism to begin with. To me, iPhones are overly simplified and extremely popular for that reason. Apple has done wonders allowing elderly people to simply use FaceTime to communicate with relatives. They also created a great education platform since students can learn using iPad apps. Their MO is to sell simplified products to the masses. However, Samsung made its skinned OS much more intuitive for the most basic user as well. An easy mode, built in app support via Samsung +, illustrations in settings w/ short blurbs, etc. Those things are commendable towards balancing both usability and advancement.
Apple does listen to customers more than other OEMs. However, people are being left out even if they're not power users. There could be requests from people asking to use two apps at once like a Galaxy or an iPad. Seeing a friend use a pen on a device could lead to customers asking Apple for the same approach. We can't have the LG Stylo and Galaxy Note as the only mainstream phones with a built in stylus. Editing control center could've been a popular request from casual phone users.
have you ran CPUDasherX on any of your devices? One of the phones is my wife's, one is mine. One has had battery replaced the other hasn't yet.
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Would you rather the iPhone shut off because the battery can’t put forth the voltage the processor needs?
That has been shown to be the case. At this time, it appears that if iOS determines the battery is healthy and can output consistent voltage when the CPU spikes, it will stop throttling the processor at peak load.
Can you say over-reaction?
If it bothers you that much, replace the battery - err, have the battery replaced. News is reporting the replacement battery costs $80, so it's not cheap. Also, it's not designed for the iPhone owner to replace himself. Someone who has the skills can buy a replacement battery with the tools to do the job for $25 or less on Amazon.
Anyone who doesn't care about security patches can simply not update. Of course, then the phone may not operate the way it was intended.
I bought iPhone 6s because the iPhone 4 was no longer performing; it was difficult to use.
What really is ridiculous is all those newsrooms in TV stations who are wearing their tinfoil hats, advising viewers that Apple is attempting to coerce owners of older iPhones to buy a new iPhone.
On Android phones, the option to Optimize battery life is a software switch; further, a switch allows users to turn on Extreme power saving mode.
If it bothers you that much, replace the battery - err, have the battery replaced. News is reporting the replacement battery costs $80, so it's not cheap. Also, it's not designed for the iPhone owner to replace himself. Someone who has the skills can buy a replacement battery with the tools to do the job for $25 or less on Amazon.
Anyone who doesn't care about security patches can simply not update. Of course, then the phone may not operate the way it was intended.
I bought iPhone 6s because the iPhone 4 was no longer performing; it was difficult to use.
What really is ridiculous is all those newsrooms in TV stations who are wearing their tinfoil hats, advising viewers that Apple is attempting to coerce owners of older iPhones to buy a new iPhone.
On Android phones, the option to Optimize battery life is a software switch; further, a switch allows users to turn on Extreme power saving mode.
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My mom was complaining about her iPhone6 being unusable so bought a 30€ battery on amazon.
Before:
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After installing the new battery:
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That’s a double in performance!
She’s happy with her phone againand probably hold her off for half a year (maybe even a year) to buying a new.
She would have bought a new one... Apple should have informed her about the faulty/degraded battery.
So as far as you're concerned you're ok with getting a new battery and throttling but you prefer apple notify the customer of why their phone is slow?
True, but it’s not a simple task, nor one that Apple endorses. In fact, I believe you forfeit your warranty—if any remains—if you do it yourself. I’m proposing an easy access panel, or similar solution, to easily do it.
Mass hysteria.
I’m fully into Apple these days, but they really dropped the ball with this. Affected devices should pop up a warning telling the user that their battery is defective and that performance will suffer. Not making this front facing was only ever going to end one way when the story eventually came out.
I don’t even think it’s a bad thing, necessarily. Definitely a case of the coverup being worse than the crime.
I’m fully into Apple these days, but they really dropped the ball with this. Affected devices should pop up a warning telling the user that their battery is defective and that performance will suffer. Not making this front facing was only ever going to end one way when the story eventually came out.
I don’t even think it’s a bad thing, necessarily. Definitely a case of the coverup being worse than the crime.
The thing is it doesn't work as designed. The throttle patch was never part of the original design.
It’s a two and a half year old phone. In my moms case, who doesn’t need to take fancy pictures, playing high graphic games and opening the phone without pressing, yes I prefer a battery replacement.
The results I saw clearly indicated some kind of throttling albeit real-world reflective or not. According to Apple’s statement this should be due to a degraded battery. Apple actually indicates your battery should be replaced and instructions how to in the settings > battery if applicable. But guess what no notification there in my case. So I really wonder how bad your battery must be before Apple notifies you.
you'd probably still run into the same issue, but probably later in the battery's life.
i experienced the same shutdowns on my 2005 dell inspiron after 4 years