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The prices are ridiculous – and they know it. If you willingly overstep the line, don't make excuses.
 
That is what worries me most. If people like you and me, and I used to change phones every single year, iPads every other, are changing their buying habits, then they are in trouble.
Before it was just that you had the price of a new phone for new features, now it is the price of a new phone + x$ for new features which leads people to closely examine whether these new features are really worth the money, it seems more and more people decide that this is not the case and extend their upgrade cycles.
Thats what I worry about.
I used to be such an Apple fan, upgrading my iPhone every 2 years and less so for my iPads.
I currently have an iPhone 6 and I am looking to upgrade it to an iPhone XR, Yes, I am not a troll like some of you think but rather an extremely disgruntled customer.
I was also looking forward to upgrading my iPad Air to one with the pencil, but guess what. Apple has a pencil 2 which is obviously what one would buy next, but it is only compatible with the iPad pro.
The iPad pro is overkill for my needs so option is to buy the non-pro iPad which has yet to be upgraded to support the pencil 2 and shrink the bezels. Gee, why didn't Apple release an updated non pro iPad.

I think Apple is suffering from not having enough of the correct type of people resource to get products updated.

Apple is facing a lot of competition at the lower end which is causing Apple to increase prices to keep profit margins the same.
 
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A valid point...if the sales were decreasing.
Why do you think Apple is no longer breaking out sales of each model of phone- because they are selling more older phones than newer phones.
Why is the price of the iPhone increasing but profit margin falling? - Selling less newer phones.
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And then when they launch a product, they say "this is the most affordable XYZ yet"...
Its easy to lie.
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Please use facts next time and don’t read headlines.
Read between the lines and while anecdotal, there has never been so much complaining about Apple increasing prices.
Apple are not breaking out individual sales figures, they used to shout them from the roof tops.
I used to be such an Apple fan, and now see people echoing similar thoughts about Apple.
Apple are not doomed anytime soon but surely something has to change?
If there is any truth to peoples concerns, wouldn't you be concerned even just a little?
Its obvious Apple will do just fine in the short term, but all bets are off for the longer term.
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Shush. Don’t let the facts get in the way of the Apple haters when they are one of their infamous rants.
You do realise that many of these "Apple haters" are not actual haters but Apple customers like myself, having a whinge?
On the subject of facts, why is Apple not breaking out the sales figures?
Why is the profit margin decreasing while device price had increased 62% in 6 years?
 
Lol... this is either deflection or delusion. As someone who has upgraded essentially every year since the very first iPhone, I know for me personally this was the first year there was no way I could justify it. iPhone X has been great to me, and with everything included at the highest storage capacity it cost me about $1400 or $1500 to own it outright. To spend that again a year later for a slightly bigger version, with the “same” battery life, and a slightly better camera, just made no sense when my phone has pretty much all of the same capabilities. Some people felt like this earlier but between the current prices (outrageous), and the lack of innovation from year to year, my days of yearly upgrades are over, and many people I know feel the same way.
 
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You do realise that many of these "Apple haters" are not actual haters but Apple customers like myself, having a whinge?
On the subject of facts, why is Apple not breaking out the sales figures?
Why is the profit margin decreasing while device price had increased 62% in 6 years?
Indeed.
Dare to disagree or question Apple and immediately you're branded a "Hater".
Seriously, school playground logic.
 
Pretty sure this has to do with phones reaching a peak and desire to upgrade each year is fading. after all, the iPhone is their main money maker.
For me it goes like this:

iPhone 3GS - my first taste of Apple phones
iPhone 4 - retina display
iPhone 5 - bigger screen
iPhone 6 - bigger screen
iPhone 7 - first skip of 2 year cycle - no headphone jack so didn't upgrade
iPhone 7s, 8, 8s, 10 - skip
iPhone XR - might buy one

I'm hearing there are lots in these forums with similar stories
 
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Apple prices is so crazy.... there was a time when it was sold for a premium because it was the higher "quality" product but now with planned
obsolescence its not worth it. You can just buy a new "alternative" company product every 2-3 years and it will be cheaper than buying Apple's.

I stick to Apple because of the software not the hardware. Thank you Steve.
 
I wonder who sets the International prices and how they calculate an eventual price difference over time. It is really bad in some countries including where I live.
 
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Some Apple products are currently priced at some points that it even doesn't matter if they are good or not, innovative or whatever, they are just ridiculously priced.

It's like some appliances manufacturers (usually with made up weird German brand names) that charge 2000€ for a dish washer. I don't even care what it does. I know a 500€ Bosch or Siemens (also German :D) will be more that adequate.

Or an even better analogy... In the 90s a Mac would be so ridiculously expensive that nobody thought about it even if the alternative was that DOS+Windows 3.1 combo.
 
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It's like some appliances manufacturers (usually with made up weird German brand names) that charge 2000€ for a dish washer. I don't even care what it does. I know a 500€ Bosch or Siemens (also German :D) will be more that adequate.

There was a time when quality was noticeable different from these name brands. (I live in Germany)
However, the manufacturing tolerances and the quality of the materials used today has made the differences smaller and smaller.

It nearly does not matter where you source you material, it is of high-quaility.

This is why the pricing of Apple gets more and more annoying.
I guess if you are older, you know you paid a premium price for electronics, cameras and computers because you would get more value.

Comparing a $4000 MacBook Pro with a $2000 Lenovo or Dell makes you wonder if these prices are justified.
That I think is the main difference between the world today and the world 25 years ago.

You can even buy a cheap Skoda (a car brand). It will lack all luxury and convenience, but it might last longer than a BMW just because of a single part that fails by coincidence.

MacBooks are still great. But I pais $2800 for the best MacBook Pro Core2Duo in 2006.
Of course it was not as good as today, but it was miles ahead of the plastic competition, except expensive ThinkPads.

This is the real issue. There is literally no advantage if you spend $2000 more for a MacBook.
 
Note9 US: $999 EU: 999€
iPhone XS US: $999 EU: 1149

(both US prices excl. tax)

There es a large enough Buffer for Apple to not be affected by exchange rates.

Given how much more expensive the iPhone line up is now the effective unit sales number must be a lot smaller.
 
Amazing how so many will read a headline and make stuff up concluding Apple’s products are priced too high.

Yeah, post after post here, nothing but people saying how great a value the new products are! /s

You show me a person who says the new products aren't overpriced and are a great value, and I'll show you a person that has a Tim Cook shrine in their house.

Please post a picture of your TC shrine. :)
 
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Note9 US: $999 EU: 999€
iPhone XS US: $999 EU: 1149

(both US prices excl. tax)

There es a large enough Buffer for Apple to not be affected by exchange rates.

Given how much more expensive the iPhone line up is now the effective unit sales number must be a lot smaller.

Let me add that the Note 9 cost the same amount in € - 999€

It's not like Samsung is not affected by currency effects.
 
Let me add that the Note 9 cost the same amount in € - 999€

It's not like Samsung is not affected by currency effects.

Could be Samsung has to accept swallowing it and Apple at least right now doesn't have to. Samsung also gives deals like BOGO and Apple doesn't. Apple did really well this quarter and I think all this means is Apple could have made even more not that some huge disaster just happened.
 
Of course its the huge Apple Inflation, annually increasing prices beyond anything else, that is causing this.

People may like Apple products, but people don't like over paying for things that don't seem to be justified.

I returned my Xs because i just couldn't justify the price.
 
The weak € will definitely lower Apple's revenue in dollars unless they hike prices. It is a shame that a currency once 1.5x the dollar has been destroyed between the Greek debt crisis, then Brexit and all of the political chaos. It's now much cheaper for me to visit Europe but it is a disaster for the European people.
The Euro has been even weaker in the past. So don’t worry. And Apple certainly has increased its prices in Europe. We pay 10-20% more in Dollar than you guys - and that is not including the high European income tax. All in all Apple products are up to 35% more costly here. Sales will certainly take a hit.
 
At this rate, my next phone will be an Android smartphone by a Chinese manufacturer. Probably OnePlus or Huawei.
 
The Canadian dollar is also down significantly so everything is as expensive as ever. My wages don't go up and down with the fluctuation in world currencies.

Still, I bought an iPad Pro earlier this year and his and hers Apple Watches and an iPhone XR recently. But my 2009 iMac which could use an upgrade will likely have to chug along for a little while longer.
 
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