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Waiting to see whether Apple will clarify. However will not be surprised if Apple is actually deciding to block the app.
I’m surprised they did! The developer was counting on Apple not saying anything. And, because the reason for removing it was not an Apple decision, I can understand that they would need to have some specific clarification as to what they could publicly say from the government.
 
So, if an iOS Torrent client is breaking “sanctions-related rules”, then all the Mac & PC torrent clients are also breaking such rules, right? Therefore, legitimate macOS (and Windows and Linux) torrent clients such as Transmission, which are currently notarized, are in risk of, not only stop being notarized but also allowed to run in the computer?

If so, we would be reaching a dystopian future where supra-national governments (in this case, the EU) with the collaboration of big corporations (Apple, Microsoft & Google) will be able to determine what we can install on our devices or not. What code we can run or not. I said dystopian future but in some regions with authoritarian governments this is already a reality …
I’m just a messenger, so don’t take this as me endorsing, however…
Apple can already completely block certain Mac apps from opening without notarization, just like they can on iOS.
In fact, there once was a bug that stopped all Mac apps from opening, see here…
As long as you are connected to the Internet, Apple can absolutely stop any Mac app they want from opening.
 
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I’m just a messenger, so don’t take this as me endorsing, however…
Apple can already completely block certain Mac apps from opening without notarization, just like they can on iOS.
In fact, there once was a bug that stopped all Mac apps from opening, see here…
As long as you are connected to the Internet, Apple can absolutely stop any Mac app they want from opening.
Thank you for the information, I had already forgotten about it. Hmm according to that note, denying the process trustd or disconnecting from the internet when launching the app solves it. That makes me think… if it wouldn’t be appropriate, privacy-wise, to just block trustd process, so that Apple couldn’t, not only prevent me from executing a software, but also to prevent them from knowing what I’m doing on my computer.
 
LOL, sure, but that undercuts the whole bs "but I download linux distros" argument.

Look, I torrent, and have no moral hand wringing about it, but I also don't try to engage in mental masturbation that I am not depriving the rights holders of their agreed upon fee structure from legal ways to view the content. I'm frankly stunned at the posters acting like it's not illegal/unlawful/morally questionable.
 
Something digital cant be stolen because it does not exist in the first place.

If only physical things can be stolen, then we wouldn't have laws around copyright, trademarks, patents, etc. Creative works are stolen all the time. Do you think stealing a patent can only be committed if someone steals a physical print of the patent itself?

And your claim about electricity is so low. Electricity is a physical thing. Its energy. Resources spent for creating it. It deserves payment. Movies make their money in theaters. Streaming platforms only benefits producers and ceo’s. Not actors or directors.

Okay, go buy 2 lbs. of electricity, I'll wait. This is a hilariously bad take.

Actors, directors, musicians, crew members artists, photographers and other creators are all paid for their work partly in thanks to licensing of digital works. Ever heard of residuals? Actors, writers and others had a very well-publicized strike against Hollywood studios recently over their contracts, which included expanded payments for works that go to streaming. Those contracts have always included residual payments. Maybe you heard about that? Money paid to streaming platforms don't only go to those at the top, they are a crucial part of the income for many creatives. It's payment for their labor, period.

It's pretty clear that these arguments are simply justification for infringement and theft. With the added bonus of trying to high road that infringement and theft by saying it only hurts the rich and powerful. As someone who earns income from creative work, and who knows people in many creative industries, it's a despicable attempt at trying to rationalize theft.
 
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No, because there’s no warranty on the physical hardware. Just like when you buy a computer with a licensed copy of Windows, Microsoft doesn’t replace your computer when it wears out.
If you buy a copy of Windows (from Microsoft) and your install USB/DVD wears out, you can download the ISO image from Microsoft and use your license key on an install made using the ISO, because you still own a license to the software regardless of the original delivery mechanism being gone. I'd argue the OEM install of Windows is not actually sold to the user, it's sold to the computer manufacturer and that's why it's tied to the system hardware.

There's no secondary maker in the case of audio CDs and home video discs. The license to sold direct to the consumer. So I still own the license to the music/movie even if the disc is gone.
 
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Something digital cant be stolen because it does not exist in the first place. Again, continue to pay $500 monthly to those streaming platforms. Make their ceo’s, board members and white collars who does absolutely nothing, richer and richer. So they can post “how my one day is like at netflix??? <3<3” more frequently. Lol
By that logic, why does Netlifx pay to license content from other creators then? Why not just torrent episodes of "Friends" to host on their serves and stream for free?

Perhaps an an argument can be made that something which exists on the Internet can be replicated an infinite number of times at no additional cost, meaning that there are zero marginal costs of production. However, I like to think that when I pay for Netflix, or subscribe to a newsletter like Macstories, or even support my favourite streamer with a Twitch sub, I am not simply paying for a physical product. I am paying to support the creators so they can stay around and continue to deliver value to me. This can only happen they what they do remains financially viable.

At best, you can rationalise that because there are so many people already paying for something, it's okay for a small number of pirates to download their content for free because the creator can still withstand the financial loss. That still doesn't make it right (merely tolerable), and it further shines a spotlight on the importance of legitimate, paying customers who help to keep creators afloat. These people need to be commended, not mocked or ridiculed for "being dumb enough to actually spend money".


Ustwo has dealt with this issue before; last fall, they released a $1.99 expansion pack that added eight new levels to Monument Valley. Gamers weren't happy. Monument Valley's App Store page was flooded with one-star reviews, claiming that add-ons should be free, not paid. The game's review score plummeted. Eventually, Monument Valley's fans flocked to the rescue, and the review score has since stabilized; still, the entire episode remains a sobering reminder of what happens when developers' hard work goes unappreciated and users feel unduly entitled to take what isn't theirs.

Something like this was made apparently more than a decade ago. When monument valley was released in 2013, the vast majority of android users chose to pirate the app instead of pay for it, meaning that the developer made far more money on iOS compared to android. The end result is that we continue to see more developers choose to support iOS over android even till today, because that's where the money is.
 
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This is the time to suggest reading "The Merry Adventures of Robin Hood" (Howard Pyle – 1883). Torrent is not necessary, you can download it from Project Gutenberg. It is in the public domain and therefore free of rights.
 
Even if that Mac app you’re using is sending your data to malicious actors?

You mean like what XProtect is doing?

I would certainly prefer that to be optional (it KINDA is, but SIP is a pain in general) for the people who want it, instead of Apple unilaterally deciding what I'm allowed to run.

But since I don't install or use malware anyway, that's a pure hypothetical anyway.


This is all very far removed from the problem at hand though:
Apple removing distribution rights for apps outside the App Store, without any anything being malware.
 
You mean like what XProtect is doing?

I would certainly prefer that to be optional (it KINDA is, but SIP is a pain in general) for the people who want it, instead of Apple unilaterally deciding what I'm allowed to run.

But since I don't install or use malware anyway, that's a pure hypothetical anyway.


This is all very far removed from the problem at hand though:
Apple removing distribution rights for apps outside the App Store, without any anything being malware.
Note, the reason for removing the rights:

“Notarization for this app was removed in order to comply with government sanctions-related rules in various jurisdictions.” Torrent Freak reported that the developer had a Russian developer account, which probably explains it.

In other words, they were required to do so by (presumably) EU governments. This isn't an Apple issue, it would have happened even if Apple didn't have the ability to pull notarization; the governments would have asked AltStore to pull it instead.

I can totally understand why people are opposed to the idea of Apple being able to prevent software from running on other devices, but as I am often told, Apple has to follow the law of the countries it operates in. This particular case isn't "big bad Apple maliciously complying with the DMA" - it's "Apple following the laws of the countries it operates in."
 
You mean like what XProtect is doing?

I would certainly prefer that to be optional (it KINDA is, but SIP is a pain in general) for the people who want it, instead of Apple unilaterally deciding what I'm allowed to run.

But since I don't install or use malware anyway, that's a pure hypothetical anyway.


This is all very far removed from the problem at hand though:
Apple removing distribution rights for apps outside the App Store, without any anything being malware.
If Apple wants to continue operating in the EU, it would be best for them to adhere to the regulations.

You don’t have to intentionally install or use malware. You could have a app installed right now that has had its libraries compromised in a way that still attains Apple’s approval for distribution. I would expect that, if Apple finds that exploits are currently active against users with that app (installed from the App Store), they would remove that app from my system, even without my knowledge. I’m sure any indignation I’d feel would be quickly ameliorated by the news stories indicating that others have been affected while my system is waiting for the dev to release an updated version with a fixed library.

The likelihood is low as Apple’s tools catch things like this, but in the one-in-a-million instance that it were to occur, I would just want Apple to handle it quickly.
 
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