Right, but “an alternative that would not require an additional install and setup” is just enough for the EU to have a problem with. I wouldn’t be surprised if they fined Apple for offering it OR require that Apple make it require an additional install and setup to avoid being fined.
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Apple Can Create Smaller On-Device AI Models From Google's Gemini
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Siri is a completed failure. Doesnt make a difference that is deeply integrated
Siri will have to be at least competent even if its only role is to triage queries and route them to different models.
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Apple has full access to Gemini to customize the model for Siri and other AI features, reports The Information. Google gave Apple "complete access" to the Gemini model in its own data centers, and Apple can use the access for distillation, or creating smaller models for specific tasks. Apple is able to design models that are built to run on Apple devices without the need to connect to the internet.
The Information explains that Apple can ask the main Gemini model to perform a series of tasks that provide high-quality results, with a rundown of the reasoning process. Apple can feed the answers and reasoning information that it gets from Gemini to train smaller, cheaper models. With this process, the smaller models are able to learn the internal computations used by Gemini, producing efficient models that have Gemini-like performance but require less computing power.
Apple is also able to edit Gemini as needed to make sure that it responds to queries in a way that Apple wants, but Apple has been running into some issues because Gemini has been tuned for chatbot and coding applications, which doesn't always meet Apple's needs.
Apple is relying on Google's Gemini models for the smarter, chatbot version of Siri that's planned for iOS 27, but the Apple Foundation Models team is still working on Apple AI models that are distinct from the Gemini models.
Siri will be able to do many of the same things that Gemini and other chatbots are able to do, such as answering questions, summarizing information, scanning and understanding uploaded documents, telling stories, providing emotional support, and completing tasks like booking travel.
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Apple's privacy stance is difficult to square with Google's practices. I would prefer Apple stick to that.
Using someone else's AI technology without knowing you're using it, more like it.
Ok, but how are they going to fit those LLMs + the OS into 8GB of RAM?
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Interesting to hear this. Looks like everything is moving in the right direction and Apple Intelligence will be much better and will have caught up with the competition by the end of the year.
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There's a lot of perfecting that's still needed, though. Case in point: this is what Apple AI in the Apple Photos app had to say about my photo of the Blue Angel's Boeing F/A-18.
Gemini is great but it's a toss-up with ChatGPT 5.4 in my experience. I use both and typically default to Gemini, but I don't think one of them is clearly better than the other.
It's not possible for Google to have a back door with this. It's just a model that stands alone. It's like going to a farmer's market and buying an apple. You can do whatever you want with the apple once you buy it. The farmer who grew it on a tree doesn't have access to anything you do with the apple.
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I have very LOW expectations for Siri. And it does those simple things well. Set a timer, set an alarm, send a text message to my wife. Those are examples I can say while driving and never take my hands off the steering wheel and can hear audio back over the car speakers.
If one is asking technical questions, then one is expecting technical answers back and that diversion of attention is called distracted driving at the scene of an accident and the driver would be at fault.
Oh, what fun we are having on this emotional roller coaster from one lie to another from most vendors most of the time. I seem to be wearing permenntly brown shoes.......
If one is asking technical questions, then one is expecting technical answers back and that diversion of attention is called distracted driving at the scene of an accident and the driver would be at fault.
Oh, what fun we are having on this emotional roller coaster from one lie to another from most vendors most of the time. I seem to be wearing permenntly brown shoes.......
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Do not conflate Gemini chat with the Gemini model. Same for Chat GPT and GPT 5.xx
The chat bits are a layer on top of the model. This is the way that Siri will work. Copilot is similar.
You can use the model 100% obfuscated from the company that created it. This is how Apple will insure user privacy. Nothing gets back to Google.
