Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Apple Can't Get Out of Siri Privacy Lawsuit, Says Judge

cyanite said:
No you don’t. iCloud Photo Library is an all or nothing service. You can switch it off, in which case the new scanning features are off as well.
Click to expand...
I most certainly do determine what I sync. And, yes, turning on or off iCloud photo library is one way to do that. Right now, there is a physical separation in distance between my phone and data I sync to iCloud. There is no possibility of data that I did not sync to iCloud being scanned by Apple and I am aware of all the services that sync data to iCloud. Apple wants to change that separation to be an arbitrary separation in software and the agent that does the scanning is to be located on my phone using my resources to scan data that is marked for sync to iCloud that resides on the same device along side private data that I never intend to sync with any service. Sure, it may not scan my private data as Apple has promised but the mechanism that ensures this is only code-based. The decision to what it scans in the future is outside of my control, but the tool to do will ever-present.
 
Feyl said:
It might not be relevant to Siri but Apple in general and that's the same thing.
Click to expand...
I'm just saying context matters for the comment to have any relevancy. You are alluding to things that have no basis with that wide of a comment, out of context, and with no rational application.
 
visualseed said:
Sure, it may not scan my private data as Apple has promised but the mechanism that ensures this is only code-based. The decision to what it scans in the future is outside of my control, but the tool to do will ever-present.
Click to expand...
That can literally be said about any part of the OS. All of it is code-based and they could have changed that code at any time if that was what they wanted to do.

They chose to do the scanning in-device because you have the ability to stop it from hitting the server as if they scanned where they already have access — your iCloud storage — you would have no control.
 
  • Like
Reactions: hans1972
Websnapx2 said:
I'm just saying context matters for the comment to have any relevancy. You are alluding to things that have no basis with that wide of a comment, out of context, and with no rational application.
Click to expand...
Whatever, man. I just thought it's good to know it. I'm sorry it bothers you.
 
MuppetGate said:
I suspect part of the reason is that Google and Amazon have never claimed to be paragons of privacy, so there’s no point attacking them for their publicly acknowledged business model.
Click to expand...

Which this is in their terms as well. If you choose to utilize Google Assistant, Alexa or Cortana, there's verbiage saying they can record you and use them. Now, it gets gray whether or not they sell it, we all know Amazon and Google already sell your information without a second thought. Google deep dives with email and document scanning, plus Google Voice and the other range of services.

Amazon has multiple suits related to Alexa. I did a quick Google search on it after my original post, it goes pretty deep.

I get the vultures wanting to pick open the wound, but Siri isn't that smart and Apple has made it clear they don't care. For now, their business model is selling products and services that don't require being invasive in your life. Unlike Facebook, Google and Amazon, Apple is happy to sell you the device and be on your way. Was the idea perfect? Nope. Not at all, but how is Siri going to improve in understanding your habits without knowing something about you. The same people who complain about Apple's privacy issues are the ones who shout "Siri is dumb!" There's no winning the crowd.
 
McTaste said:
How does MacRumors staff know this isn't how Siri works, or that Apple has never done this? Or did I miss that the author of this article is Tim Cook?
Click to expand...
Because how Siri works is known. On the other hand, so is how Facebook works.
 
MacRumors said:
That is not how Siri works and there has been no evidence that Apple has ever provided Siri recordings to advertisers.
Click to expand...
Unfortunately, facts are not an adequate defence in the face of a frivolous lawsuit.
 
PlayUltimate said:
The CSAM thing is for our benefit. Anything in the cloud does not have privacy and pictures on cloud-services are being regularly scanned. Data that exists only on your phone is safe. Apple's CSAM implementation is basically warning you before posting/uploading something that might get you into trouble. IMO, this is a good thing.
Click to expand...
It's not a mere warning. They report you to the authorities if you trip it too much.
 
yeah I am abandoning Apple unless they go open source since they make money on the hardware, which is an impossibility.

Hello Penguin!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Macbookprodude
sudo-sandwich said:
It's not a mere warning. They report you to the authorities if you trip it too much.
Click to expand...
No, they report you to the authorities if you trip it too much and, after looking at low-res representations of your files, they confirm that, yes, you have at least 30 child pornography images, and thus have committed a vile crime at least 30 times.
 
  • Like
Reactions: PlayUltimate
cmaier said:
You pray that a bunch of made up accusations somehow succeed in court? Not a big fan of justice, huh?
Click to expand...
No, I just want to see Apple go down for what they have done to piss off everyone from battery problems and forcing those to get more expensive iphones to computers built like garbage - too thin is too bad. How much thinner can a notebook be ?? They can't innovate anymore as far as I am concerned. That died with Jonny.
 
bobcomer said:
That's part of it, but I suspect we've all made our plans about what to do about it, if anything, so there's no need to talk about until/if something changes.
Click to expand...
Apple blindsides everyone going after them because it makes more sense, and just let Google get away with the same thing. "Sorry our hands are full with Apple lawsuits at the moment. don't have time to go after you."

Don't think for one minute Apple is the only one ..... You gotta also then assume they all could do it, just Apple is the only one that's get caught in the media.. We gotta start trusting these companies more as much as them living up to their claims about privacy, if this voice-assistant thing is gonna take off big.
 
Macbookprodude said:
No, I just want to see Apple go down for what they have done to piss off everyone from battery problems and forcing those to get more expensive iphones to computers built like garbage - too thin is too bad. How much thinner can a notebook be ?? They can't innovate anymore as far as I am concerned. That died with Jonny.
Click to expand...

I agree with you on privacy, but as far as innovation goes, idk, the M1 shook the tech world. Its unmatched today.
 
Tech198 said:
Don't think for one minute Apple is the only one ..... You gotta also then assume they all could do it, just Apple is the only one that's get caught in the media.. We gotta start trusting these companies more as much as them living up to their claims about privacy, if this voice-assistant thing is gonna take off big.
Click to expand...
No, Apple is the only one that says they're going to do it. Android is open source, so whatever they do will be found and worked around if it ever shows up -- and I don't think it will, even google understands that they don't want to kill their ad income for an ineffective backdoor on their phones. Same for Linux and Windows on the PC's, it'll be found and worked around if attempted and it probably wont be attempted.

Trust companies, no way, no how, their responsibility is to make money to keep their shareholders happy, not to keep me happy. If there's enough churn to keep their margins, I don't even count.

I use a voice assistant actually, an echo, very handy, but I don't trust Amazon at all -- but I do gain from the relationship and they aren't threatening to turn me in to the cops. If I benefit in relation to whatever device, that's fine by me. That's one of the big problems with this CSAM detection, I don't gain anything that would offset any concerns, even though it runs on my hardware.
 
cmaier said:
That’s the exact opposite of how it works. Apple doesn’t have to prove a thing. They don’t have to call a single witness.

The plaintiff has to prove that the crazy thing they claim happened actually happened. It’s their burden to prove.
Click to expand...
In a case where you're accusing Apple of doing this type of wrong, though? It doesn't seem like it makes much difference? Ultimately, you have the accuser making an accusation that they'll claim is due to Apple doing X, Y and Z with their software and hardware and network, right? So how does Apple respond? They prove these claims are false by breaking down the way those systems really work.
 
kingtj1971 said:
In a case where you're accusing Apple of doing this type of wrong, though? It doesn't seem like it makes much difference? Ultimately, you have the accuser making an accusation that they'll claim is due to Apple doing X, Y and Z with their software and hardware and network, right? So how does Apple respond? They prove these claims are false by breaking down the way those systems really work.
Click to expand...

Nope. All they have to do is move for summary judgment that the proof is absent - that mere speculation about the cause of an alleged occurrence is not proof of the cause. They don’t have to present a single witness or explanation.
 
cmaier said:
Nope. All they have to do is move for summary judgment that the proof is absent - that mere speculation about the cause of an alleged occurrence is not proof of the cause. They don’t have to present a single witness or explanation.
Click to expand...

I suppose.... if one assumes the lawyers filing this case are that clueless? I don't get why they'd even take the case, though, if they have nothing but speculation to go off of?
 
DummyFool said:
I did not kew Apple was selling our information to advertisers like Google and Facebook are.
Click to expand...
They aren't, the only ad they sell is the app store ads and that could be personalized (tracked) or unpersonalized (general) ads
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back