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Consider yourself lucky. I can count at least 10 when my cc didn't work. And I recall many situations when other people's credit card either didn't work or wasn't accepted (be it at a store, restaurant, etc.).

Also, if you ever travel abroad, that number will be much higher, since most places outside of the US prefer cash and refuse cc's.

The irony here is that I can't recall a single time in my 25 years of being financially independent when my cash didn't work. Or anybody else's cash didn't work lol

I'm willing to bet people avoid getting trapped in conversations with you at parties.

Acquaintance: "Wow, the sky is a beautiful shade of vanilla and pink tonight!"
You: "Thats BS, everyone knows the sky is blue!"
Acquaintance: [pause] "excuse me, I need to find my friends"
 
Been to 8 countries so far. I loved in European countries how much more prevalent tap to pay was which gave me so many places I could use my credit cards via Apple Pay.

Ok, so you've only been to 8 countries. I'm sorry.

Most places outside of the US either prefer cash or don't accept credit cards. Fact.

Especially when purchases are small, most places won't let you use a credit card. That's pretty much an American convenience thing where people are accustomed to purchasing a stick of gum with a cc. I can assure you there are very few countries where this is allowed.
 
Why not just have savings and not use a CC? I don’t see why that’s so hard.
Yeah. Not having savings is a big problem for a lot of people. Those commenters supporting CC don’t have a saving problem.
Do you ignore everything everyone else has said? There are definitive benefits to using a credit card over cash/debit card:

  1. Ease of use. I typically don't carry cash on me. To get cash requires going to a bank or ATM. If my bank ATM isn't local, I end up paying huge fees to get my own money.
  2. Rewards. Rewards aren't a gimmick. I get probably between $400-$600 back every year on my purchases on my Citibank DoubleCash. That is not including my Costco Rewards (~ $100 every year for just buying Gas) and miles.
  3. Security. If someone steals my cash, it is gone. If someone steals my debit card and drains my account, I am likely going to be without money for a fews days, at least. If someone steals my CC, I am OUT nothing except the time is takes me to notify my credit card company.
  4. Extra features. If I buy with a credit card, I can get additional features, such as extended warranties, travel protection, buyer protection (if the product is not delivered or is not as advertised.) If I pay cash, then I get none of that.

I pay off my credit cards every month. As do 42% of credit card holders. (https://www.creditdonkey.com/credit-card-debt-statistics.html). So, while there are definitely a lot of people that carry credit card debt, there are plenty of people that use credit cards wisely.
Well, I can say 1 is a good point, but 2, 3, 4 are all highly dependent on bank policies and perks, which varies greatly from bank to bank.
The Apple Card can be used as long as I have an iPad or iPod Touch for the app?
Does it not work with my desktop Mac?
Wonder how a device without NFC could support it. Oh yeah. Bring the card. Doubt iPod touch will support Apple Card though.
And you can purchase many things without anybody knowing, including Uncle Sam - there are obvious reasons why this is important; use your imagination.
Oh here, you literally mean “using cash”. Lol. But I agree. Employers in Australia sometimes give workers their wages in cash so workers don’t need to pay for the tax, as cash is harder to trace than money flowing through banks.
Your responses are frankly, terrible.

You purposely ignore all the benefits of a credit card, to harp on the one "pitfall" that it requires personal responsibly.

You're the kind of person who wants censorship and laws to protect people from themselves.
I see he has counter points for all benefits you have listed regarding using CC.
The banks and card processors get a percentage of every transaction (paid by the merchant) regardless if you pay interest or not. This is why you'll sometimes find the random small Mom and Pop shop that either doesn't take credit or 'prefers' you didn't use it. It costs them money.
That’s new. I know surcharge for small spence is fairly common in Sydney. Didn’t realise this is part of the reason. In the case, merchants pass the cost to customers.
 
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What about the wrinkled dollar at the candy machine scenario.


This isn't accurate.

While most places still accept cash as payment, there is a rising trend of new businesses that are cashless, and only have card or app options when paying.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...umber-restaurants-cash-no-longer-m/319618002/

lol ok, pal

You "got" me. You've proven your point by finding a needle in the haystack.

Cash actually doesn't always just refer to physical cash. A debit card is technically cash because it's money that you own. I'm sure those restaurants accept debit cards. Point is cc's aren't preferred or accepted at many places.
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I'm willing to bet people avoid getting trapped in conversations with you at parties.

Acquaintance: "Wow, the sky is a beautiful shade of vanilla and pink tonight!"
You: "Thats BS, everyone knows the sky is blue!"
Acquaintance: [pause] "excuse me, I need to find my friends"

I'm willing to bet you don't even go to parties because you're swimming in credit card debt.
 
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lol ok, pal

You "got" me. You've proven your point by finding a needle in the haystack.

Cash actually doesn't always just refer to physical cash. A debit card is technically cash because it's money that you own. I'm sure those restaurants accept debit cards. Point is cc's aren't preferred or accepted at many places.
Yea, you seemed to be referring to physical cash though, especially when referring to Uncle Sam tracking purchases. I assume any tracking with a credit card could also be done with a debit card.

Also, I would think that going cashless is a growing trend, so it might be a "needle" now, but maybe in the future, it could influence a cash-only consumer on where they eat and shop.

But, I can agree with you that it is good to keep cash on you. I use cash for probably only about <5% of the transactions I do, but I always keep some cash on me just in case.

I just think the generalize statement that CC are bad is false. There are plenty of reasons why not using cash is a good thing.
 
Most places outside of the US either prefer cash or don't accept credit cards. Fact.
China, being one of the most populated and third or fifth largest country on earth, has forced/pushed a whole QR bs system that everyone just “scan code” to pay. Cashless. And credit card is accepted in many places.
I can assure you there are very few countries where this is allowed.
In Australia I can use my credit card to pay for a gum if I want to in almost every store in Sydney CBD or in supermarket.
For those few countries that are allowed, people from those countries often have greater purchasing power.
 
Also, if you ever travel abroad, that number will be much higher, since most places outside of the US prefer cash and refuse cc's.

This was really only true before Americans got CCs with chips. Contactless cards and cell phones are preferred because they are so fast and easy.

And second, if your credit card gets compromised, chances are you won't even be able to make a purchase when you really need to (unless you have multiple cc's on you, but who's to say those won't be compromised either)

This has also not been my experience. I've been in another country while my CC was compromised in the US. The CC company was able to lock the card to state it was compromised in so I could continue to use the card until I returned to the US. My CCs app also lets me approve charges as they happen.

Using cash or a debit card at this point is really short changing yourself in numerous ways.
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Especially when purchases are small, most places won't let you use a credit card. That's pretty much an American convenience thing where people are accustomed to purchasing a stick of gum with a cc. I can assure you there are very few countries where this is allowed.

Hmm. In England contactless CCs only work with smaller amounts.

https://help.barclaycard.co.uk/brochure/contactless_payments/what-is-max-transaction-amount

And I can assure you I have bought convenience store items with Apple Pay/Contactless/CCs all over Europe.
 
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For this news, I would love to see an actual Wallet app on iPad, even though iPad does not have NFC chip of its own. As for the Apple Card, if the cash back for most purchases are 1% or 2%, I’d say that is not really attractive for me.

For the entire “financial advise” and “should we use cash” debate, allow me to go through my points.

First, there are two definitions: financially secure and financially insecure.

For people without financial security and find themselves constantly or a bit often on their back struggling to complete payments and pay their bill, using credit card is a terrible idea for them, because it will give those people a false sense of having a lot of money when they don't have. Some people will not apply for credit card upon realising their financial hardship, but other people, especially some teenagers, won’t know that and overspend with a CC.

For people with financial security, they can easily pay almost everything they want with full payment, and they have emergency fund to cover the unfortunate. In this scenario, using CC to finish the payment is using money to work for them, with the help of attractive bank perks and promotion period, sometimes good policies as well. For me, this should be the scenario when applying for a CC is actually beneficial than using cash or debit card to complete a payment.

The sad fact is, most people don’t have such financial security. They don't have a habit of saving money for emergency, and they overspend by applying for credit card without thinking how to pay it back. Credit card company realises this, and then heavily promote people to apply for credit card and spend money that way. They have succeeded and customers start to pay everything with credit card. And bam, when statement is mailed to their house, some will be like “oh snap. How to pay this $4000 bill before next month”. And then try to pay it in full but fail. Then the interest starts to build up, and bank earns a ton of extra interest.

Now back to using credit card, I don't have much knowledge of how CC works in America, but it seems that CC can provide some level of security that debit card cannot provide. This depends heavily on bank policy and how bank will Honor their policy when accident happens. In China, bank don’t take responsibility of a fraudulent transaction, meaning credit card loses one of the biggest attractive features: safeguard for unauthorised transactions. Customers who get their credit card drained because of a stolen card will still have to pay for that drained amount. As for the perks, this one obviously vary greatly from bank to bank, sometimes maybe branch from branch.

In Australia, bank also issues credit/debit card. But, everyone with a credit/debit card also has a bank account that is separate from your credit/debit card. When you want to use your card, you transfer money from a “savings” account that is not linked to your card to an account that is linked to your card, and then spend it. This means even if your bank card is lost or stolen, the other guy cannot use too much of your money if you don’t have much money on your bank account that is linked to your card.

Another difference from USA I think is bank treats transaction through debit card like a transaction through credit card, waiting a few days to clear the payments. This means if I spot a fraudulent payment quick enough, I can call the bank and ask for freezing the account to stop the money from going out of my account. Also, Australian banks usually Honor their policy and eat the losses to protect customers. I have heard several cases regarding this and they do get their money back while bank trying to trace the lost money. So, for me, even if I don’t have credit card, I still enjoy the security of using a credit card without worrying too much about credit score or something like that.

One more fun fact is Australian bank will not borrow you money for mortgage if you use credit card to buy stuff with payments too much, or use any sort of “buy now pay after” third party services too much. They will consider yourself a risk and suspect you don’t have the capability to satisfy your monthly mortgage payment, and refuse your house loan application. I haven’t Heard about a real case but this has become a thing recently.

Ok, that is my opinion regarding the entire saga in this thread.
 
Why would you leave money in the bank for the privilege of paying 10% or so interest on a purchase? Maybe if I was laid off, I might do this. But in normal times I will take cash out of my 1% interest bank account to pay off my 10%+ interest credit cards. Now if I could just get my wife to allow me to do the same with her credit cards.
10%??? Most credit card interest / finance charge rates are above 10% these days.
Don't blame your wife. She can do that on her own.
 
Better yet, how about getting a CC with cash back rewards and paying the balance in full every month? Let them pay you for using their card.

Because, for many people...they don’t pay it off each month even with the intent on doing so. Also things in life happen. Like I’ve said already it’s easier said than done.

Now I can’t obviously speak for everyone and I’m sure the few who post here yeah they do pay off their balance every month.

But the average person DOES NOT. And when hardship strikes they are under water in cc debt.

I don’t need cash rewards, miles etc. etc. I stay away from CCs and debt of all kinds with the exception of a mortgage.
 
I saw it on Bloomberg, which is a very reputable news feed. I think the key here is the rewards have changed for new cardholders. I am assuming Barclays will discontinue for existing cardholders, but notice has not been sent out yet.

When Costco was not able to work out an agreement with AMEX and switched to VISA, they notified members months in advance of the change. At least 2 letters were sent with this notification.
 
Yeah. Not having savings is a big problem for a lot of people. Those commenters supporting CC don’t have a saving problem.

Well, I can say 1 is a good point, but 2, 3, 4 are all highly dependent on bank policies and perks, which varies greatly from bank to bank.

Wonder how a device without NFC could support it. Oh yeah. Bring the card. Doubt iPod touch will support Apple Card though.

Oh here, you literally mean “using cash”. Lol. But I agree. Employers in Australia sometimes give workers their wages in cash so workers don’t need to pay for the tax, as cash is harder to trace than money flowing through banks.

I see he has counter points for all benefits you have listed regarding using CC.

That’s new. I know surcharge for small spence is fairly common in Sydney. Didn’t realise this is part of the reason. In the case, merchants pass the cost to customers.
From the article:
The report claims that the iPad will have a dedicated app for signing up for and managing the Apple Card, as confirmed by hidden iOS 12.4 references uncovered by developer Steve Moser. This is because the Wallet app, where the Apple Card will usually be found, is limited to the iPhone and iPod touch.
 
Can’t call yourself an Apple fan if you don’t get an Apple Card to buy an Apple Watch, Apple iPhone, Apple MacBook, Apple Mac Pro, Apple iPad, Apple Pencil, and Apple Music.

Can you imagine paying for my iStuff with an Amex if there's a pure Apple Card available? It's heresy.
 
when do the points redeem to send you a gift card via mail? I bought something 2 weeks ago and haven't gotten anything yet.

is it after the bill cycle ends that they automatically mail your cards.
 
when do the points redeem to send you a gift card via mail? I bought something 2 weeks ago and haven't gotten anything yet.

is it after the bill cycle ends that they automatically mail your cards.
I just got mine around a month or so after the points posted or something close to that.
 
I don’t need cash rewards, miles etc. etc. I stay away from CCs and debt of all kinds with the exception of a mortgage.
Earning cash back rewards DOES NOT mean you are in debt. Why can you not wrap your head around the idea of putting your normal monthly expenditures on a credit card that earns you cash back and then paying off that card every month?
No interest paid.
Cash back earned

You are in no more debt than if you didn't have a credit card. Same amount of money out of your pocket. Bonus of some money coming back into your pocket.
Not rocket science.
 
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