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MacClueless

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Have you read the forums? People are more excited about the metal card than anything else. The hype train is real. No, I am not joking.

I mean the whole thing is exciting because of all the norms that are being broken, INCLUDING the metal card. And not JUST the fact that it’s metal but it not having a number IS cool.

With that said USING it is dumb if you care about the cash rebate, which to me is the whole point of using a card. On the other hand, wealthy people care less about the rebate and more about the privacy protection... and that is their target audience.
 

H.E. Pennypacker

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I mean it's nice you have many of the same perks, but you still don't get the easy payment management, machine learning powered organization of expenses, and honestly, is there a more beautiful card out there?
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What an asinine comment. Why would there be a pre-order for this? Or are you just that bad at sarcasm?
Wooooooooow. Wake up please.
 

Cyberpower678

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If anyone is carrying a balance on their credit cards - they are using them wrong. The moment you carry a balance and pay interest, any signup bonus you received reduces in value. Overtime, if you continue carrying a balance you lose any expected value derived from the credit card.

Keys to using credit wisely - and thus circumventing credit card debt:
1. Do you have enough cash to pay for the item?
2. Purchase item on credit
3. Pay off balance before payment due date
4. Rinse and repeat
You can carry a balance without harm as long as the balance isn't the statement balance. Just for clarity. I have my CCs set to autopay the full statement on the first of the month, well before the due date, and my CC's balance never completely empties at that time. No interest for me. Just stating this for clarity sake.
 
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philpalmiero

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And a Tesla is just a car, and Alexa is just a speaker, and yet they’re transformative. If you don’t get that I wonder why you’re in this forum?

A corporation listening in on your conversations is transformative? Tesla is just another car, BTW.
 

Timemaster

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I view this product in the same light as the Motorola Rockr way back when.

There is nothing compelling or revolutionary about this product offering.

Banks, such as Amex, have been issues instant card numbers for at least 4 years now.

The spend tracking seems pretty on par with the best current banks etc.

In lieu of better rewards, the product has no fees. For some consumers that’s a great thing, for others they are leaving money on the table.

The rub will be who manages customer service, will it be Apple or GS? Are they looking to compete with Amex and Chase or Synchrony?

I’m looking forward to the real Apple Card where they can jettison MasterCard and Goldman and manage the processing and financing side themselves.

You can not jettison MasterCard. If the dump master they would more or less have to take Visa. They need the network for the merchant.

As for dumping Goldman that is another story and one has to ask does Apple even want to get in the area of being a bank and all the regulations that come with that.
 

shyam09

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Yet another asinine comment. Get off an Apple-focused forum if you're just going to **** on people excited about these things.
It’s ironic how you point out my comment with an asinine comment. If you don’t understand Apple-related jokes on an Apple-related forum, that’s on you.

Anyway, it sounds like you’re super excited about the Apple Card. Have fun. I’ll be ordering one too when it releases.
 

brinary001

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It’s ironic how you point out my comment with an asinine comment. If you don’t understand Apple-related jokes on an Apple-related forum, that’s on you.

Anyway, it sounds like you’re super excited about the Apple Card. Have fun. I’ll be ordering one too when it releases.
My sincere apologies. Unfortunately, I read your comment immediately after reading a separate one which most definitely was asinine in nature and I unfairly carried that over to my reply to you.

Again, sorry about that :)
 

MacClueless

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You can not jettison MasterCard. If the dump master they would more or less have to take Visa. They need the network for the merchant.

As for dumping Goldman that is another story and one has to ask does Apple even want to get in the area of being a bank and all the regulations that come with that.

The possibility of creating their own network isn’t unrealistic.
 
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Emanuel Rodriguez

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As long as you pay it off each month it doesn't matter what you buy with it (dinner, groceries or anything). Why should it?
If you have the money, then use debit. In many cases it can cost you a bit more to use credit, and you may get hit with the interest as well. There's really no reason to use it if you have the money.

Seems a tad foolish, to be honest.

But, questioning credit card abuse is almost like questioning the American dream at this point. It's that ingrained in American culture.
 

MacClueless

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If you have the money, then use debit. In many cases it can cost you a bit more to use credit, and you may get hit with the interest as well. There's really no reason to use it if you have the money.

Seems a tad foolish, to be honest.

Using a debit card for a purchase is extremely foolish. Debit cards do not offer the consumer protections of credit cards. You should never, not ever, use a debit card for a purchase.

https://clark.com/personal-finance-credit/never-use-debit-card-pay/
 
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MacClueless

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I've been able to challenge charges on debit as well, and they have been reversed when there's been an issue. Real-world usage disagrees.

Anecdotes aside, the legal protections aren’t there. Using a debit card transfer liability to the consumer. Using a debit card for purchases is extremely stupid.
 
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Emanuel Rodriguez

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Anecdotes aside, the legal protections aren’t there. Using a debit card transfer al large liability to the consumer. Using a debit card for purchases is extremely stupid.
You don't need the government to protect you personally if your bank does. Perhaps you should consider another institution.
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Anecdotes aside, the legal protections aren’t there. Using a debit card transfer liability to the consumer. Using a debit card for purchases is extremely stupid.
Plus, anyone who doesn't notice fraud within 60 days, if it's in any significant amount, probably should just go ahead and forfeit their bank account, because they're a danger to themselves.

Yes, I know there are a lot of people like that, but I said it anyway.

I'm referring to this, not your post:

https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/credit-cards/credit-card-vs-debit-card-safer-online-purchases/

"It’s important to note that if your card is not physically lost or stolen, you have 60 days to report fraudulent transactions with zero liability. If only your card number is stolen, the 60 days start from the date of the statement on which a fraudulent transaction appears."

If you didn't notice your debit card being stolen within two days, be drunk less. If you see a charge within 60 days that you didn't authorize, and you didn't lose your card, then no liability.

If you're the kind of person who can have a $1,000 charge sitting on their account for over 60 days without noticing, well... I can't help you with that issue, but I can refer you to a specialist.
 
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Adolmino100

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is this card just a credit card? I would like to top it up with cash and then spend the cash I put on it, I wouldn't like to go in debt/borrow money on the card, do you know if we can put cash onto it that we can spend how we want? thankyou
 

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UltraInstinct

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is this card just a credit card? I would like to top it up with cash and then spend the cash I put on it, I wouldn't like to go in debt/borrow money on the card, do you know if we can put cash onto it that we can spend how we want? thankyou

What would be the point of that? Just spend the money then when your bill date comes put the money on the card. Why do you need to top it up...?

Example: You have £800 for the month, spend £800 on the card, pay the £800 on the card when you bill comes.
 

Adolmino100

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You do realise a lot of people do not have a credit card right? And go through life spending on purely a debit card without any issues

doesnt matter, i dont like the idea of borrowing/debt, thats just me :)
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What would be the point of that? Just spend the money then when your bill date comes put the money on the card. Why do you need to top it up...?

Example: You have £800 for the month, spend £800 on the card, pay the £800 on the card when you bill comes.

wouldnt like that at all ;)
 

Timemaster

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You do realise a lot of people do not have a credit card right? And go through life spending on purely a debit card without any issues

It one of those famous arguments of it works great until it doesn’t and when the doesn’t goes off you really want the legal protection that credit cards offer. Plus having one more barrier between your money and payment is nice.
If their is a fraudulent charge on a credit card it is just part of your credit limit locked up while it is being resolved. You never have to pay it until it is done. If it is a debts card your money is locked up until it is resolved.
 

Cyberpower678

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If you have the money, then use debit. In many cases it can cost you a bit more to use credit, and you may get hit with the interest as well. There's really no reason to use it if you have the money.

Seems a tad foolish, to be honest.

But, questioning credit card abuse is almost like questioning the American dream at this point. It's that ingrained in American culture.

Makes no sense. Credit cards with rewards are far superior and you have no interest as long as you pay it off in full. I have yet to pay interest in my many years of using them, and I get cash back. Besides using debit cards is about the stupidest thing you can do these days. Never use your debit except to withdraw at an ATM. Don’t get me started with how many people complained about their money getting stolen out of their bank accounts just in the last month alone in my area.
 
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