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However, in many other countries the transaction fees are capped at a much lower rate, e.g. 0.2% for debit cards in the EU,

Well yes, no kinda...

At least here in Germany many shops just don't accept credit card as their margins just don't allow for the higher costs.
Also everybody has a debit card that working just fine.

Customers on the other side simply see no reason to get/use a CC as it would barely get accepted. Plus "Kredit" being a dirty word for many.

But yeah keep your free "bonus" that you had just prepaid in 800 installments every time you bought Soy-Latte-Cappocino 😛
 
And if you want to cash out your cash back, how do you do it? And I would never pay an annual fee for a cash back card. It completely defeats the purpose.

The difference between 2% (what most offer) and 3% depending on your spend easily outweighs the $50 fee. You can redeem the cash back directly into your robinhood account and then into your bank. I just use the money for betting on prediction markets.

It's my daily driver unless the spend is on travel/category my other card hits.
 
Strangely enough, still no word on the HYSA part ...

The credit card is only a day to day thing, with the 3% on Apple purchases. There are plenty of rewards cards.

But a good number of people have a fair bit of money saved in the savings account. And, Chase gives nothing for interest. So, it would be nice to know, how the savings account is being handled. Or if we should start planning to move the savings to another HYSA.

I don't think you have to sweat it. See what I wrote here:

 
Well yes, no kinda...

At least here in Germany many shops just don't accept credit card as their margins just don't allow for the higher costs.
Also everybody has a debit card that working just fine.

Customers on the other side simply see no reason to get/use a CC as it would barely get accepted. Plus "Kredit" being a dirty word for many.

But yeah keep your free "bonus" that you had just prepaid in 800 installments every time you bought Soy-Latte-Cappocino 😛
I'd say that Germany is probably a bit of an outlier, certainly in the EU, as having a culture where credit still has negative association and credit cards are not as widely adopted as many other countries. I regularly travel throughout Europe, and often get caught-out in Germany by places (generally smaller/independent) who don't accept cards.
 
The difference between 2% (what most offer) and 3% depending on your spend easily outweighs the $50 fee. You can redeem the cash back directly into your robinhood account and then into your bank. I just use the money for betting on prediction markets.

It's my daily driver unless the spend is on travel/category my other card hits.

Ah, you use your cash back for gambling. A really good use of those funds!

"Prediction Markets" 🤣

A turd is still a turd by any other name....
 
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I loved this card when I first got it and when it had a 5% savings rate. With that said, they have continuously dropped the return percentage every year for the past few years. Now the savings account has no better yield than most regular savings accounts. I will be moving all of my savings from the card to a higher yield account in the near future.
 
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Ah, you use your cash back for gambling. A really good use of those funds!

"Prediction Markets" 🤣

A turd is still a turd by any other name....

I enjoy it. It's both fun and rewarding. For what it's worth, I do come out on top. I always retain my rewards and only bet with my winnings.

Pretty easy to track data these days and low risk low reward predictions that generate money.
 
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I wonder if Apple will finally start offering more competitive rewards and benefits once Chase becomes the issuer. As it stands there's no compelling reason to get an Apple Card.
I doubt it. As with computers and with smartphones, Apple’s happy to concede a significant portion of the market to competitors. It’s not like the card is a profit center for Apple especially since they lack many of the fee structures that make the competition’s cards wildly profitable. It’s merely a convenience for those that enjoy that convenience and for those that don’t, there’s probably thousands of cards for them to choose from.
 
Strangely enough, still no word on the HYSA part ...

The credit card is only a day to day thing, with the 3% on Apple purchases. There are plenty of rewards cards.

But a good number of people have a fair bit of money saved in the savings account. And, Chase gives nothing for interest. So, it would be nice to know, how the savings account is being handled. Or if we should start planning to move the savings to another HYSA.
Agree that it would be nice to know. But also, if the change doesn't happen for another two-three years, I'm not sure that it matters much to me at least. I'll keep the $ in my current Apple Savings account for the foreseeable future despite whatever ends up happening when the card shifts to Chase.
 
I wonder if Apple will finally start offering more competitive rewards and benefits once Chase becomes the issuer. As it stands there's no compelling reason to get an Apple Card.

I disagree. I love the Apple Card (only small complaint is only 1% using the physical card, which I am forced to do on rare occasions). The integration with Apple Wallet is fantastic, it's so easy for me to see how much I am spending either by category or by merchant, or by week, month or year. The 3% cash back on Apple Products is great (I bought a new iPhone, a new iPad and a new Mac mini, all in the month of May), and the interest free Apple Installments on Apple products is a great option too. It's also so easy to cash out my cash back into the checking or savings account of my choice, or just park it on the Apple Cash card (where it doesn't stay for long) where I have choices as to what to do with it. Spend it from Apple Cash, apply to my statement, auto deposit to the Marcus/Goldman Sachs HYSA (If I wanted to sign up for that), or as I normally do, deposit it into either a checking (which I was doing) or in to my independent Marcus/GS HYSA. I could also choose to make my Fidelity Roth IRA account the recipient of my funds. Apple Card gives you options that I appreciate.

FWIW, I am not into the miles/points game. I couldn't be bothered. Give me cash back with no annual fee, or any fees of any kind, especially no foreign transaction fees.
 
No, GS is not that stupid. They didn't go into the business blind. They went along with it anyway because they thought working with Apple would look good for them. They also wanted to boost business for their Marcus savings accounts.
Yes, the people at Goldman Sach who agreed to the Apple Card deal really are that stupid, as I've noted before.



Besides the deposits business, which has attracted $100 billion so far and essentially prints money for the company, the biggest consumer success has been its rollout of the Apple Card.

What is less well-known is that Goldman won the Apple account in part because it agreed to terms that other, established card issuers wouldn’t. After a veteran of the credit-card industry named Scott Young joined Goldman in 2017, he was flabbergasted at one-sided elements of the Apple deal, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

“Who the f--- agreed to this?” Young exclaimed in a meeting after learning of the details of the deal, according to a person present.

Some of the customer servicing aspects of the deal ultimately added to Goldman’s unexpectedly high costs for the Apple partnership, the people said. Goldman executives were eager to seal the deal with the tech giant, which happened before Solomon became CEO, they added.
 
I loved this card when I first got it and when it had a 5% savings rate. With that said, they have continuously dropped the return percentage every year for the past few years. Now the savings account has no better yield than most regular savings accounts. I will be moving all of my savings from the card to a higher yield account in the near future.

Totally untrue.

Apple doesn't drop or raise the rate,
Goldman Sachs Bank does, based on the rates the Federal Reserve sets. And have you looked at the APY the Big Banks (BofA, Chase, Wells Fargo etc.) give on "regular" savings accounts? The "Apple Savings Account" is a Goldman Sachs account and it is still much higher than the big common banks.
 
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Yes, the people at Goldman Sach who agreed to the Apple Card deal really are that stupid, as I've noted before.



Besides the deposits business, which has attracted $100 billion so far and essentially prints money for the company, the biggest consumer success has been its rollout of the Apple Card.

What is less well-known is that Goldman won the Apple account in part because it agreed to terms that other, established card issuers wouldn’t. After a veteran of the credit-card industry named Scott Young joined Goldman in 2017, he was flabbergasted at one-sided elements of the Apple deal, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

“Who the f--- agreed to this?” Young exclaimed in a meeting after learning of the details of the deal, according to a person present.

Some of the customer servicing aspects of the deal ultimately added to Goldman’s unexpectedly high costs for the Apple partnership, the people said. Goldman executives were eager to seal the deal with the tech giant, which happened before Solomon became CEO, they added.

Yes, but they didn't do it because they were unaware. They took a gamble. There is a difference. I said they did it voluntarily, which is all what you quoted is saying.
 
Not quite the same. You can literally buy into predictions with 90%+ odds. You do that daily with enough funds and it adds up.

Gambling is stupid, and calling it a "prediction market" was word play to get it legal in all 50 states. Legislators should outlaw this crap, because there are people out there who aren't savvy enough to know that a "Prediction Market" is just bad old fashioned gambling. Plus betting/gambling lately has gotten out of control, especially when it comes to sports. It's having negative consequences beyond some idiot lost his last paycheck.
 
I wonder if Apple will finally start offering more competitive rewards and benefits once Chase becomes the issuer. As it stands there's no compelling reason to get an Apple Card.
What? Apple Store discount alone is worth it. The whole Wallet experience with an Apple Card is more than worth it. But I think the best thing about it is the stellar customer service right through the Messages app. I never knew CC customer service could be this good.
 
That was Apple's fault. Apple pushed GS to approve applications for people who never should have been approved for the card. Apple was stupid.
Is this true? Because I applied many times over two years before I was able to raise my score enough to get approved? (For the record I was dealing with a low score in the upper 500s at the time because I spent nearly a decade being the sole caregiver for a parent with advanced Alz and defaulted on two cards; something I never thought would happen. I'm good now.)
 
Is this true? Because I applied many times over two years before I was able to raise my score enough to get approved? (For the record I was dealing with a low score in the upper 500s at the time because I spent nearly a decade being the sole caregiver for a parent with advanced Alz and defaulted on two cards; something I never thought would happen. I'm good now.)
500's was even too low for their low requirements. You had to have 650 at least, I think it was, definitely above 600. And it had to be with TransUnion. But you could have checked periodically to see if you would have been approved as your score improved with no ding to your credit score. And sometimes for some people they would offer something called "Path to Apple Card."
 
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