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Pearple said:
"In times of 0% interest rates for your balance and a Federal funds rate of 0,25%. even 10,99% is a total Rip-off!
3-4% would be adequate depending on credit score. Steve would have never allowed this."

During the Steve years there was an Apple Credit card that averaged around 21% and would charge you in the 30s of percent if you had bad credit, but cool story bro.
 
If you pay the balance in full every month — in other words, if you live within your means — you are charged zero interest, you get some cash back, you’ll likely build or maintain good credit for when it comes time to buy something like a house or car, and you have a lifeline in case whatever’s in your checking account isn’t enough to cover an substantial emergency expense.

Could not agree more. I feel like too many people think they are Dave Ramsey. I'm sorry, but unless you can afford to pay for everything in cash: Cars, House, etc, you need good credit. Why not enjoy the free rewards. Yes, they are free despite what Ramsey will lead you to believe.

Source: I just took a very nice vacation that I otherwise could not have afforded. A large reason was the credit card rewards I racked up with hotels and airlines. The rewards rate was enhanced by the credit card :)
 
11% ?!!!!
you’re telling me people takes loan with 11% interest rate ??
This is so dumb ! It’s literally a poverty trap !
Don’t buy stuff you can’t afford, loans are for house, cars and health issue, period.
It's expensive to be poor. I find it very inappropriate that a lot of credit card companies include a section in the bill that explains the "savings" if the balance is paid off over 36 months as opposed to ten years, but makes no mention of the savings of paying off the credit card balance due in full compared to those 36 months (or whatever example period they want to show). On top of that, there is a common myth that carrying a credit card balance improves your credit score.
If you pay the balance in full every month — in other words, if you live within your means — you are charged zero interest, you get some cash back, you’ll likely build or maintain good credit for when it comes time to buy something like a house or car, and you have a lifeline in case whatever’s in your checking account isn’t enough to cover an substantial emergency expense.
This is true, and I can't understand why people (who aren't going through a genuine emergency and need access to their credit card as a type of emergency fund) carry a balance. You're paying a very high interest rate and in the long run paying a lot more.
 
I have a $6.500 limit and have had an 800+ score for well over two years, yet still have a 17.49% APR. Does anyone even know what the criteria is or is GS just spitballing?
 
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In times of 0% interest rates for your balance and a Federal funds rate of 0,25%. even 10,99% is a total Rip-off!
3-4% would be adequate depending on credit score. Steve would have never allowed this.

Steve would likely have not weighed in on the interest rate assigned to a card holder since at the time there was an Apple Credit Card that carried interest rates from 16.99% to 27.99%. I don't think that is a realistic argument for what the current rate on the Apple Card should be. Steve might have weighed in on the design of the card, etc. but it would be tough to argue what a rate should be when you already have a card with high rates.

I am not going to argue that people should be using credit cards for purchases, that bus left the garage long ago and is not pertinent to the rate on the Apple Card.

What is a reasonable interest rate for a card product that can easily result in non-payment of the balance owed? Due to potential losses from consumers that cannot pay off their cards, credit card rates are not going to go to 3-4% even with Federal Funds rates at 0.25%. Credit card rates are not based on the Prime Rate. As of today, the current Prime Rate is 3.25%, a month ago it was 4.75% and lowered with the change in Fed Funds rate.

The prime rate is the interest rate that commercial banks charge their most creditworthy customers, generally large corporations. The prime interest rate, or prime lending rate, is largely determined by the federal funds rate, which is the overnight rate that banks use to lend to one another. So when Fed Funds rates change, prime rates change.

A prime rate loan is generally a non-secured loan, meaning no assets collateralize the loan, such as a house and land with a mortgage or a car with an auto loan. Credit cards are also insecured loans offered to consumers, meaning there is nothing but the credit worthiness and ability of the cardholder to pay backing the loan. That rate would not provide sufficient revenue to offset card portfolio losses and related operating costs for a card program.

There are certainly individuals that have sufficient credit worthiness to qualify for a loan rate near the prime rate, but you will not see those kinds of interest rates tied to a card product. Taking a look at the 2008-2009 economic crisis. The credit card charge-off rate for all commercial banks rose from 3.85 percent in the second quarter of 2007 to 10.97 percent in the second quarter of 2010. Those losses were in part covered by the revenues generated by all the consumers that had cards, meaning many credit worthy consumers with a card carried a somewhat higher interest rate to cover the losses from those did not pay. Even folks with good FICO scores when they got their cards ended up not paying off their balances.

Given the economic upheaval that is being endured, we can assume many people will not be able to pay their cards off. Those will result in losses. The entire portfolio of Apple Cards will be used to cover those losses.

As to the card limits and rates assigned to cards, there certainly has been enough exposure on complaints and unfairness in assigning limits. During the underwriting for a card, several things must be determined to determine the credit worthiness of the Consumer. Things such as the FICO provide an overview of the historical payment history of a consumer as well as the outstanding loans / credit lines. Credit lines are the limits on cards and consumers will be judge on both the total credit line extension from all lenders as well as the average credit line extended by other lenders. A consumer will also judged on their ability to pay - that is different than there FICO score or credit lines. That depends on their income. It should include available assets to pay from in my opinion, but it does not. Your income is used. The combination of this data is used to assign your limit and your rate.

A consumer with "perfect credit" likely has what is called "Excellent" in the FICO range score. Or the consumer may have a belief that since they have cards, have always made their payments on time, etc. they have perfect credit. The FICO score is able to rate the ability to pay based on historical payments, but not income or assets available to pay.

You could take two very good FICO scores, let's say 810 and 815 (this is hypothetical). The score of 815 is for a consumer with income around $75,000 per year, while the 810 score is for a consumer with an income of $200,000. Which is better able to pay their card payment? We don't really know....it seems like the consumer with higher income its more able, but what other mostly payments are being made? Big mortgage? Expensive car? Student loans? Neither the FICO score nor the income level actually tell you about the ability to pay.

You throw in a virus that has cost 8 million plus people their job in the last two weeks and now you really do not have any good information on who will pay. Card rates need to be high enough to cover that.

So that's my two cents plus comment on the issue.....
 
I'm thinking about canceling my Apple Credit Card. I texted them about lowering my APR from 12.99 to 10.99. I was told they couldn't lower my APR. Background: My credit score is around 860 and I have no credit card debt.
 
Better still live within your means, debt culture is a fools errand. Purchase what you need, not what you want, as you build equity. You'll be surprised what will happen.

Companies want you to be in debt as that's exactly how they boost revenue. As for Apple simply another mechanism to turn coin, maybe better than most, however it is what it is...

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Any rate above 0% is too high to ever carry a balance.

Interest rates on credit cards are meaningless if you’re doing it right.


Not for people that can't pay things off all at once. Lots of those people exist and do have emergencies that require large chunks of money they don't have. Which is understandable. 11% is better than 29% or anything else the loan shark stores use. What's the problem?

Everyones situation is different and not everyone can turn up their nose if it's not 0%.

My Apple Card is 23%, great credit, always pay in full. So it doesn't bother me what rate I get.
 
I'm thinking about canceling my Apple Credit Card. I texted them about lowering my APR from 12.99 to 10.99. I was told they couldn't lower my APR. Background: My credit score is around 860 and I have no credit card debt.
You have no credit card debt, but you want credit card debt? (If not, what difference does the APR make?)
 
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Mine was 23.99 when I first got it, checked today and it's 21.99. I'll take it

Only carried a balance and took an interest payment like once in the entire year or so I've had this card.
 
i feel very fortunate that i do not have to use a CC to get by. I like this move by them to lower that burden for those that are not able to. Well wishes to you all.
 
Any rate above 0% is too high to ever carry a balance.

Interest rates on credit cards are meaningless if you’re doing it right.
Unfortunately for some folks (and it looks like for quite a few) not ever carrying a balance is not an option. Let's not forget about those.
 
I find it very inappropriate that a lot of credit card companies include a section in the bill that explains the "savings" if the balance is paid off over 36 months as opposed to ten years, but makes no mention of the savings of paying off the credit card balance due in full compared to those 36 months (or whatever example period they want to show).

I seem to remember the "this is how long it'll take to payoff at the minimum payment" stuff was federally mandated a few years back. Haven't seen the other stuff though. Maybe it's there and I've not looked?

On top of that, there is a common myth that carrying a credit card balance improves your credit score.
I've found that the balance on each card gets reported at cycle end even if I then pay it off immediately.

So you can definitely show a balance if you think it's good for your credit scoring and still not pay any interest. Just gotta pay it off.

I can't understand why people (who aren't going through a genuine emergency and need access to their credit card as a type of emergency fund) carry a balance. You're paying a very high interest rate and in the long run paying a lot more.
Various reasons.
  • Financial illiteracy
  • Poor impulse control
  • Impatience (gotta have it now)
  • Looking at things from a monthly-payment view vs total-cost view (see first bullet)
 
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I'm thinking about canceling my Apple Credit Card. I texted them about lowering my APR from 12.99 to 10.99. I was told they couldn't lower my APR. Background: My credit score is around 860 and I have no credit card debt.
It’s true. They don’t control APR, only CL. Simply pay off your balance every month and you won’t have to worry about APR
 
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You have no credit card debt, but you want credit card debt? (If not, what difference does the APR make?)

I'm not advocating to carry credit card debt. However, you never know when you may have an emergency. There's no sense to have a high APR rate even if you carry no credit card debt.
 
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