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Apple care in general

Honey Badger said:
I think what he is saying is he'll replace his beat up Apple Watch 1 using Apple Care with a new refurbished one just before Apple Watch 2 comes out and then sell the new refurbished one on Ebay or something to get top dollar because it is new and then use the money to buy Apple Watch 2.

Great idea actually.
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The only problem with that theory. Is we really don't know how much the Apple watch will be worth when the new one comes out.

Let's say it's only worth half what someone paid for, even in mint condition. (Hypothetically) Plus the amount that person spent to purchase AppleCare. Plus the amount to file a claim. Would it really be a good idea at that point to intentionally damage your device to resell it? IMO no, you would actually be losing money.
 
lsutigerfan1976 said:
The only problem with that theory. Is we really don't know how much the Apple watch will be worth when the new one comes out.

Let's say it's only worth half what someone paid for, even in mint condition. (Hypothetically) Plus the amount that person spent to purchase AppleCare. Plus the amount to file a claim. Would it really be a good idea at that point to intentionally damage your device to resell it? IMO no, you would actually be losing money.
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So you are saying.

Don't pay for Apple care.
Hope you don't damage your watch over the year.
And sell it for whatever you can get, in whatever condition it is, at the end of the year?
 
lsutigerfan1976 said:
The only problem with that theory. Is we really don't know how much the Apple watch will be worth when the new one comes out.

Let's say it's only worth half what someone paid for, even in mint condition. (Hypothetically) Plus the amount that person spent to purchase AppleCare. Plus the amount to file a claim. Would it really be a good idea at that point to intentionally damage your device to resell it? IMO no, you would actually be losing money.
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You do have a point there, but I think the $69 replacement cost and the time spent to exchange should be the only factors...the original cost of apple care shouldn't be part of the calculus since you really get apple care to cover your watch, not to resell it. So, $69 + maybe $31 for the time = $100 so if you can sell the new refurbished replacement watch for more than $100 over the beat up old watch, then it might be worth it. But frankly, it is a pain and Im not going to do it, was just trying to clarify what the other poster was trying to say.

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Main reason why I am getting Apple care: I pre-ordered the space gray sport....With the space gray, I'm concerned that it will get scratched up over time. If that is the case, I will use the 2 accidental coverage benefits from time to time similar to how you would pay for a cosmetic overhaul of a typical watch (new crystal, band, and case). In that respect, $69 for a cosmetic refurbish is a deal.
 
I've never took out Apple Care until I recently bought a 15" rMBP, I never realised I was covered for accidental damage? Is it for the whole 3 year?
 
Piggie said:
So you are saying.

Don't pay for Apple care.
Hope you don't damage your watch over the year.
And sell it for whatever you can get, in whatever condition it is, at the end of the year?
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No all I am saying is intentionally shattering your watch after you spent so much. In the hope that you get that money back when you resell the watch is crazy.

Let's just do a hypothetical with numbers. I pay $600 for a watch, plus say $70 for AppleCare. Plus I have to pay about another $70 to file a claim. Right there you paid $740 plus your taxes. That brings it to about $800. And let's say the device in mint condition is half of what you paid originally for it. Does it make sense at that point to file a claim and hope that someone buys it for more than what it's worth at that time so you can recoup most of that money?

And I am not saying AppleCare sucks. It is very good for protecting your device. But for using it as a means to try and upgrade your device/watch. I wouldn't count on it. But that's just me.
 
First of all to clear up a misconception here. You have up to 60 days to purchase AppleCare Plus for the watch.

As for whether it's worth it. It is totally at least from my experience. I've been getting it for all my iOS devices since it was introduced in the UK and before that I got the regular AppleCare. As it happens so far I have never had to use the extended coverage or the accidental damage coverage yet.

That said I upgrade every time a new iPhone or iPad comes out, the only exception being the iPad 4. I always sell right after I get the new one and because of AppleCare or AppleCare Plus I always get a higher price and enough to make it worthwhile having the AppleCare or AppleCare Plus.

Granted I don't get as much as if I had sold the item earlier ideally before the new one is announced but that's the trade off for not being without a product to use. It's still worth it for me. What I don't do is intentionally damage the item to get it replaced under the AppleCare Plus before selling it. I sell it as is but as I take extremely good care of my iPhones and iPads they are always in great condition when I sell them.
 
Honey Badger said:
You do have a point there, but I think the $69 replacement cost and the time spent to exchange should be the only factors...the original cost of apple care shouldn't be part of the calculus since you really get apple care to cover your watch, not to resell it. So, $69 + maybe $31 for the time = $100 so if you can sell the new refurbished replacement watch for more than $100 over the beat up old watch, then it might be worth it. But frankly, it is a pain and Im not going to do it, was just trying to clarify what the other poster was trying to say.

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Main reason why I am getting Apple care: I pre-ordered the space gray sport....With the space gray, I'm concerned that it will get scratched up over time. If that is the case, I will use the 2 accidental coverage benefits from time to time similar to how you would pay for a cosmetic overhaul of a typical watch (new crystal, band, and case). In that respect, $69 for a cosmetic refurbish is a deal.
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Why argue with me when you know that it's not viable financially? Lol. You have just almost said word for word what I was trying to explain to you.

By the time you pay upwards of 400 for AW1, you get a replacement (baring in mind you only get two and over the next year you might need them) at $69 or £50 then try and get $100-$150 for your resell of AW1 after AW2 is announced, you will only have roughly $50 to put towards a new one. So what's the point?

You may as well keep it, and keep using it and all the benefits you will grow to love up until the day the AW2 is released and upgrade.
 
Kroxx said:
I've never seen anything on the Apple website under Apple care about accidental damage, unless I can't see for looking :/
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Yes, the accidental coverage under apple care is for the watch, iPhones, and iPad, but it is not for the computers.
 
Also, don't forget, if you use the student discount AppleCare is much cheaper. IIRC, AppleCare for my 15" MBP was $350. With the student discount, it was around $280.

Also, yes I'll destroy the watch, most likely in the shower, pay the $69 to get an essentially brand new watch and then sell it for what I can. Then take the cash and put it down on the next version.

All of this hinges on if the next version is worth the upgrade or not. If it's minor, I won't upgrade.

As far as living without an Apple watch, I'll wait until my preorder goes through before I sell it.

You guys do whatever you want, but that's my plan. That way I'm selling an essentially brand new watch to someone at that time. I'm betting I can get more for a perfect secondhand Apple watch than a beat up one. Plus, I'd feel better about selling a nice watch. (I went with the black sport watch. I'm sure it'll be all scratched up by then.)

To each his own fellas. No need to get all riled up about it. :)
 
I got apple care for the watch so when I am sitting on the crapper and my iPhone takes a plunge I don't have to worry about which hand chases after it.
 
bruinsrme said:
I got apple care for the watch so when I am sitting on the crapper and my iPhone takes a plunge I don't have to worry about which hand chases after it.
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This should be one of those quotes manufactures out on the box.
 
iFanaddic said:
I read on another forum that AppleCare+ only cover the original band that your watch came with, which makes sense but is still disappointing considering I had no way of purchasing a silver sports watch with milanese loop. Many people will be in my situation I believe.
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I'm purchasing a Milanese Loop in addition to a sport model as well, but think this makes perfect sense. The AppleCare+ for the Sport model costs less than the SS model.
 
On the topic of Applecare in general, I strongly recommend it. I have bought it for every Apple product I own, and it has more than paid for itself.

And, a small heads up to those with an elastic sense of right and wrong and a labyrinthine and morally ambiguous cast of mind: Applecare is supposed to cover accidental damage, not deliberately inflicted destruction on a device.
 
I don't think AC+ for the Watch is worth it for the accidental damage unless you're particularly careless.

1) It's on your wrist so how can you drop it? If a steamroller runs over it, you have more important things (namely your arm) to worry about.

2) It's IPX7 water resistant, so the standard warranty will cover water damage claims. Unless you're foolish enough to go diving with it.

3) AC+ doesn't cover scratches as they're considered normal wear and tear. You won't be able to replace it if you merely scratch it up.

4) Purchasing it with an Amex card (or equivalent) will double the standard warranty.
 
JayLenochiniMac said:
I don't think AC+ for the Watch is worth it for the accidental damage unless you're particularly careless.

1) It's on your wrist so how can you drop it? If a steamroller runs over it, you have more important things (namely your arm) to worry about.

2) It's IPX7 water resistant, so the standard warranty will cover water damage claims. Unless you're foolish enough to go diving with it.

3) AC+ doesn't cover scratches as they're considered normal wear and tear. You won't be able to replace it if you merely scratch it up.

4) Purchasing it with an Amex card (or equivalent) will double the standard warranty.
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1) Over-enthusiastic walking, running, jogging, whatever and you trip and hit the dirt. Cracked screen. **** can happen.

2) Has it been announced anywhere the base warranty is covering water claims? And even then - it's a computer on your wrist exposed to the elements. It might not hurt to spend the $60 for the extra peace of mind.

3) No but AC+ will sure cover the hammer I take to it when I decide it's too scratched up.

4) Not everyone has an Amex (or equivalent.) Also, APR and other possible annual membership fees might be more expensive than just paying for AC+
 
bulbousnub said:
1) Over-enthusiastic walking, running, jogging, whatever and you trip and hit the dirt. Cracked screen. **** can happen.

2) Has it been announced anywhere the base warranty is covering water claims? And even then - it's a computer on your wrist exposed to the elements. It might not hurt to spend the $60 for the extra peace of mind.

3) No but AC+ will sure cover the hammer I take to it when I decide it's too scratched up.

4) Not everyone has an Amex (or equivalent.) Also, APR and other possible annual membership fees might be more expensive than just paying for AC+
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1) Hence why I wrote "unless you're particularly careless."

2) It's advertised as IPX7 water resistant so the standard warranty has to cover it, as long as you didn't incur the water damage outside the scope of the IPX7 rating (i.e., you go diving with it).

3) That's called fraud. We'll thank people like you when Apple jacks up the cost of AC+ and deductibles in the future.

4) True, but you can get Amex cards that do not carry annual membership fees. I have two such Amex cards and they're cash back too.
 
iregret said:
Also, don't forget, if you use the student discount AppleCare is much cheaper. IIRC, AppleCare for my 15" MBP was $350. With the student discount, it was around $280.

Also, yes I'll destroy the watch, most likely in the shower, pay the $69 to get an essentially brand new watch and then sell it for what I can. Then take the cash and put it down on the next version.

All of this hinges on if the next version is worth the upgrade or not. If it's minor, I won't upgrade.

As far as living without an Apple watch, I'll wait until my preorder goes through before I sell it.

You guys do whatever you want, but that's my plan. That way I'm selling an essentially brand new watch to someone at that time. I'm betting I can get more for a perfect secondhand Apple watch than a beat up one. Plus, I'd feel better about selling a nice watch. (I went with the black sport watch. I'm sure it'll be all scratched up by then.)

To each his own fellas. No need to get all riled up about it. :)
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Lol, do what you gonna...
But these kind of posts crack me up.
What if I was on a Porsche message board saying: "yo guys! I can't wait to get a new 2016 Porsche!! I'm just gonna go purposefully wrap this one around a tree like a dbag, then fraudulently collect some insurance $ and buy a new one!!! =D"
Wtf?? I guess you CAN do that... but doesn't normal human etiquette dictate that you at least do NOT admit it????

Making matters more strange is the fact that... on a $350 brand new device, at the end of a year- right when it's about to be replaced with a better version for the same $350... there's absolutely NO WAY that the difference between resale for "a few minor scratches" & "fresh replacement, no scratches", is going to be more than a few dollars, at best.

It genuinely seems like you are committed to making a fraudulent claim & purposefully damaging your equipment at time and trouble to you for no benefit (and actually... an additional expense) to you whatsoever.

This is the equivalent of a wealthy kleptomaniac...
Someone that derives pleasure from doing something morally reprehensible, for nothing other than their own excitement. You have not built an argument where you benefit from this little "plan" of yours, but.... whatever makes you happy.

Luckily for the rest of us, people like you are in a (very small) minority & it's doubtful your actions can affect pricing of our Apple Care increasing, which would be my only beef against you personally.
 
Tycho24 said:
Luckily for the rest of us, people like you are in a (very small) minority & it's doubtful your actions can affect pricing of our Apple Care increasing, which would be only beef against you personally.
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Don't be so sure. They increased the AC+ deductible for the iPhone to $79 from $49 and the out of warranty replacement cost to $329 from $199, and it's likely from too many people replacing them. Those who commit fraud and deliberately damage their iPhones when they desire a replacement (and think nothing of it) can only add to those numbers.
 
JayLenochiniMac said:
Don't be so sure. They increased the AC+ deductible for the iPhone to $79 from $49 and the out of warranty replacement cost to $329 from $199, and it's likely from too many people replacing them. Those who commit fraud and deliberately damage their iPhones when they desire a replacement (and think nothing of it) can only add to those numbers.
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Good point....
In retrospect, I hate that guy, lol. =P
 
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