If these trends continue...AYYEE
Also, not much of a computer is necessary to use web apps.
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Apple Caught Off Guard by AI Demand for Mac Mini and Mac Studio
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If these trends continue...AYYEE
Also, not much of a computer is necessary to use web apps.
Jumpthesnark
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Exactly. The story makes little sense if taken credibly and literally. I think there's more to it than what was reported, and a juicy tale from someone who has a trial balloon to float or an axe to grind makes more sense to me.
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Any idea can always be nixed with "is not perfect/immune etc.". Apple could have one of these ghoul companies build a facility that only makes RAM etc. for them, or they could do their own thing.
"The lie of local AI" is already pretty disqualifying. The rest is even wilder. Come back with some actual results and after some spellchecking.
Seems like most people here haven't heard of AWS Bedrock which is understandable. But it is possible to run frontier models in the cloud without any data going to the model provider.
I think Azure probably has a similar offering at this point.
Besides for most companies large enough to think about this stuff, what matters more is the terms in the contracts. If they signed a contract with Microsoft for Teams meeting summarization, you think they're really gonna accept terms where Microsoft is allowed to train on all of their meeting recordings?
I think Azure probably has a similar offering at this point.
Besides for most companies large enough to think about this stuff, what matters more is the terms in the contracts. If they signed a contract with Microsoft for Teams meeting summarization, you think they're really gonna accept terms where Microsoft is allowed to train on all of their meeting recordings?
Powerbooky
macrumors demi-god
I wonder... are we seeing the first signs of a turning point where consumers and companies will move away from cloud services, including AI, and instead have more powerful hardware on-site (again)?
Local AI is the way to go for the average person who wants to experiment or even small enterprise that wants to control cost and maintain data security. It’s not going to pop.
Yessir 100%. It’s cheaper in the long run and more secure.
And I had assurances from all kinds of companies that they weren't going to be hacked.
We were talking about situations in which companies or people want certainty that their data does not leave their computers. I'm not seeing where AWS Bedrock would be a solution to that problem.
I'd need to see actual data. But in any event, people have always moved from mainframe-y or centralized things to those they can own and control themselves.
Hajj.david
macrumors 6502a
Its apps and websites. They havent needed to care about RAM for awhile so there is no need to optimize. Now there is a big of a crunch but the developers have little incentive to change anything because "this will end soon"
Price Price Price helps with the local ai stuff maybe.
Ai on premises while they are building out 1Trillion$ plus around the world I dont think so Tim!
Over 2000 large and small Ai Data centers on the books to build out latest study for the world.
Most USA states have 3 Ai data centers on the books to build out now in each state average.
The government knows more about you then you do so it will all then be in the Ai data centers for good or bad.
Look your self up will be so easy.
Better be good boys and girls its coming the Matrix will know everything.
Ai on premises while they are building out 1Trillion$ plus around the world I dont think so Tim!
Over 2000 large and small Ai Data centers on the books to build out latest study for the world.
Most USA states have 3 Ai data centers on the books to build out now in each state average.
The government knows more about you then you do so it will all then be in the Ai data centers for good or bad.
Look your self up will be so easy.
Better be good boys and girls its coming the Matrix will know everything.
If they had a clue those leaked servers would already be products piling out the door to those enterprises instead of the desktop market begin destroyed (ram shortages excepted).
By the time they do react the bubble will have burst.
Lets hope post bust turns into useful things like .com did.
By the time they do react the bubble will have burst.
Lets hope post bust turns into useful things like .com did.
Vincent Hanna
macrumors 6502
And a guide on spelling, capitalization, and punctuation?
For most applications cloud AI is cheaper. Someone pointed out that the Apple Lease for the biggest studio costs as much as a claud pro subscription, or something like that, and is slower.
But you know, if you want to mess around with your models, or use abliterated models, or mess with runtimes local is the way to go. I'm a happy gemini pro user, but my 128GB studio buy is paying off because I can do a bunch of experiments locally.
But you know, if you want to mess around with your models, or use abliterated models, or mess with runtimes local is the way to go. I'm a happy gemini pro user, but my 128GB studio buy is paying off because I can do a bunch of experiments locally.
meboy
macrumors 6502
People really need to smarten up and stop trying to use this math because it doesn't math. At least not for the vast majority.
Only very specific use cases will that work.
First big hurdle is you have to be running something a local model can do just as well as a cloud model can.
For most this doesn't pass, meaning you can't even do the task the local way.
Done.
Yea the Mac mini or even the Studio isn't as fast as the Data Centers, so what? Its for home use, the Atari 2600 wasn't as capable as an arcade cabinet when it came out. People didn't care. Eventually the home gaming systems became on par and then superseded the arcade cabinets. The same thing is happening. As I said, you young guys just don't have the perspective. But this isn't new, don't be scared. The PC didn't crater the economy because they replaced most white collar workers, because it did, look at movies from the 60-80s and you'll see a ton of employees working in offices. Those jobs are long gone but people and the economy adapt. We will adapt to AI as well. Its ok guys.
For the price of the Mac Studio I’ll stick to the grace blackwell Nvidia stuff I can get from work for less. 2 chained with 128gb fiber can discover other ones on my network so can go super fast and then distribute if needed.
obviouslogic
macrumors 6502
No one, wonders why costs went up. Everyone knows… it’s an industry-wide issue due to memory shortages. In fact, RAM prices increased by 400% late last year and Apple just recently started increasing their prices in June.
It costs me nothing to use Apple’s AI, it’s perfectly capable of running on my original M1 Mac mini, a system that’s nearly 6 years old now.
I do wonder if they've made the problem worst. We were banning on the ai companies going bust because the public will never pay. Now local/Siri/Gemini/Bixby are good enough they've pivoted to corporate clients and are actually making money.
I was going to bring up arcade machines and home consoles, but figured hardly anyone would know about arcade machines.
In terms of home AI, we're approaching the ColecoVision era 🙂.
Vincent Hanna
macrumors 6502
That's the point I'M making. The statement I was refuting was "why would anyone spend $20K", not why would everyone. No-one is claiming it's a blanket solution for all people.
There is absolutely a use case for a $20K Mac Studio as a local LLM host that saves money long term AND preserves privacy. In fact, Apple won't to be able to build enough of them even for just this targeted market segment.
