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Ive is more of a design visionary than a product visionary. It takes someone like Jobs to see the future vision such as iMac, iPod, or iPhone but Ive makes that vision sexy. It's entirely possible to design a sexy looking brick that noone wants or needs.

Hate to break it to you and the people who put a thumbs-up to your comment but Mr Ive did conceive the iMac as the all-in-one we know today. As Jobs has been quoted as saying when he saw the iMac for the first time 'where's the desk-top?' ...

I think there are enough people at Apple that Steve Jobs has 'touched' for Apple not to get lost from the path... Besides, All companies are far ahead with their releases, I'd put money on it they have a working iPhone 6 and iPad 4 and are testing them as we write and read, All of which Jobs had a hand in :)
 
Some absolute rubbish posted in this thread especially about Ive, Jonny is a designer he would be disastrous as CEO, could you imagine Ive negotiating dozens of pages of contracts with phone carriers or tying up the Asian supply chains and so on ? As a designer he would be as good at that as he would be at neuro surgery, Apple would go under within 4 years with Ive as CEO

Cook knows what he is doing, Steve has been grooming him as his successor for years
 
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Your reply is a strawman attack. Please refrain from hyperbole.

Given how many negative votes your posts are getting, I suggest it's you who should refrain. From posting.
 
Hate to break it to you and the people who put a thumbs-up to your comment but Mr Ive did conceive the iMac as the all-in-one we know today.

Errr... if Ive conceived the "all-in-one" then please explain how this came be over a decade earlier (and actually I should be showing a picture of the Lisa):

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What Ive did was re-imagine the all-in-one. However, it took a marketing genius like Jobs to sell it to the masses at a time when Mac market share was at its nadir and Mac s/w developers were abandoning the platform.

Ive is a design genius, his interest is in creating beautiful things, not selling them.
 
I don't think Benioff of Salesforce.com implemented any of Steve Jobs' advice.

The salesforce.com platform is interesting and has a lot of features but has a nightmare UI.
 
What Ive did was re-imagine the all-in-one. However, it took a marketing genius like Jobs to sell it to the masses at a time when Mac market share was at its nadir and Mac s/w developers were abandoning the platform.

Ive is a design genius, his interest is in creating beautiful things, not selling them.

This is true!

But remember... Steve only got on stage a couple times a year to announce new products. Then the TV commercials and mainstream media handled it for the rest of the year.

Hell... Apple could stop running TV commercials altogether... and people would have no problem hearing about the next iPhone!

I'm not so sure Apple needs another "pitchman" like Jobs... how many non-geeks watched a Steve Jobs' keynote? What I'm worried about is the philosophies that Jobs had.

That said... I think Apple is still in great shape for the time being. Tim Cook has lived and breathed Apple for over a decade... and the rest of the team is on focus too.
 
Steve Jobs was a great leader. Being a co-founder of Apple, forced to leave Apple and make a comeback with a great success surely leave a mark on history.

Too bad Steve leave a bunch of fanatic disciples which annoying and considering him a god .. well he's a human for sure, and he made mistakes from time to time. Even Steve don't do perfect words on his charming speech for several WWDC.

So, please stop worshiping Steve and move forward. Tim Cook is an excellent leader, he might not as charming as Steve, he don't speak as good too.. But I believe Tim going to be a great leader for Apple, at least nothing like Sculley would happen again.

I don't care if this post being thumbed down by some Steve' fanatics. I love Steve, but I don't mind if Steve being replaced and I love to looking forward for Apple products in the future.

Some of you may want Steve stay forever in Apple, but he's not immortal now, does he? :rolleyes:
 
I wish Tim all the best but part of me just can't imagine Apple will be the same without Jobs' unique vision.

Jobs hand picked Cook, hand trained him and isn't dead. Jobs is the Chairman of the Board of Directors and although not announced will likely be there as a consultant same as they did with Woz (although more active than Woz has been of late)

So the unique vision is there.

On another note, I love when folks call this a surprise. Hardly. We've had 8 months of knowing this was highly possible. Particularly after this leave hit the 6 month part. I stand by my feelings that this basically happened in January but they wanted to give the public some time and a handful of 'magical' earnings reports to get used to the idea of Cook in charge. Thus the 'temporary' leave etc.


Now, the CEO doesn't have to be a visionary if he listens to and heeds the visionaries. But we don't know who is going to fill that role at Apple. And that's the worrisome part.

You can drop the worrying

1. Companies like this don't create over night. What they are doing now started years ago and what they are starting now we won't near rumors about for a good 3 years. So they have all the vision they need for the moment

2. The big one STEVE JOBS IS NOT DEAD AND HASN'T TOLD APPLE TO SUCK IT. He's the Chairman of the Board, he is an email, phone call or FaceTime away. He likely still has his key card and his parking space. He hasn't left. He's just demoted himself to a position where he can do the parts he likes without the time and stress of the stuff that wasn't really part of his job but he's such an OCD anal retentive freak he insisted on doing everything himself.

Look at it this way. The man had a major organ transplant and a major form of cancer. You never recover from that. He'll be thin and nasty looking and prone to exhaustion etc the rest of his life. Had he continued with the 24/7 stuff that would be 1-2 years. Now that he's passed on the reigns to other folks he isn't doing days and weeks like that and for all we know he could live another 40 years just to spite the naysayers. All the while being Chairman and a consultant.
 
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It may be hard to imagine in the woods but if you step back remember that Apple invented the world's first PDA, the Newton, while Jobs was at NeXT.

Apple System 7, QuickTime, HFS Plus, the Apple Quick Take, and the PowerBook all were all also introduced after Jobs was kicked out of Apple and before his return.

So was licensing the Mac OS and the adoption of the "incredible shrinking market share." Your point then....??
 
This is true!

But remember... Steve only got on stage a couple times a year to announce new products. Then the TV commercials and mainstream media handled it for the rest of the year.

Hell... Apple could stop running TV commercials altogether... and people would have no problem hearing about the next iPhone!

I'm not so sure Apple needs another "pitchman" like Jobs... how many non-geeks watched a Steve Jobs' keynote? What I'm worried about is the philosophies that Jobs had.

That said... I think Apple is still in great shape for the time being. Tim Cook has lived and breathed Apple for over a decade... and the rest of the team is on focus too.

You miss the point of Steve Job's genius. He was to Apple what the Pope is to the Catholic Church: he sold his message to the faithful and left the evangelizing to them.

Put it this way, if Michael Spindler or Gil Amelio gave the iMac presentation would anyone have thought it was anything other than the last gasp gimmick it was rather than the future as Jobs made it seem?

I think you severely downplay Job's impact on Apple. I am confident Steve Jobs groomed Cook to be an excellent CEO, but it's only because he learned under Jobs that he will do fine. Had Apple gone outside I would no longer be an Apple shareholder believing its best days behind. But Apple has a great future thanks to Jobs influence, and I think Cook will continue that and groom new talent.


So was licensing the Mac OS and the adoption of the "incredible shrinking market share." Your point then....??


First, the entire point of my post was regarding innovation, not management decisions, during the Non-Jobs years. I was pretty explicit if you read my posts carefully.

Second, I never discussed any of the items you carp about, though at the time Apple Faithful and the financial world lauded licensing Mac OS. So why are you bringing them up? I'm not defending Scully, Spindler, or Amelio's tenure, only noting Apple continued to innovate w/o Jobs.

Third, I noted that management was horrible (as it obviously was), but it was not due to lack of innovation it was because they didn't know how to market the company (as I said) -- things like making two dozen different Centris models that add were fairly similar.
 
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Tim Cook comes across as a level-headed, bright, and rock-solid guy. And that's great. Companies need people like that.

But he doesn't seem very visionary to me. Now, the CEO doesn't have to be a visionary if he listens to and heeds the visionaries. But we don't know who is going to fill that role at Apple. And that's the worrisome part.
When a founder/leader as charismatic and key as Jobs leaves, a company always faces moving in one of two basic directions with the follow-on leader:


One is the "What would Steve Jobs Do?" approach.

That is, opting for a CEO who tries to carry the founder's vision forward smoothly (altho' he has no internalized passionate vision of his own). Apple's opted for this approach with Tim Cook. The inevitable problem is that this will carry the company about as far as the road has been mapped out in some detail by the founder, and begins to break down as the tech advances, the competition evolves and other new variables emerge.

(Apple, however, will have the great advantage of Steve in the Boardroom, hopefully for years as he slowly disengages - which could make the Cook tenure go well indeed. As long as he and Apple recognize when the time has come to cut to the cord altogether based on the state of his health, energy and being on top of his visionary game. Otherwise, half a Steve could ultimately hold the company back.)

The second way Apple can cope (at the CEO level) is "The Steve is Dead - Long Live the New Steve" approach.

(And yes, of course "dead" is used metaphorically here to refer only to Steve the CEO, who most certainly has retired.)

That is, opting for someone with a strong, iconoclastic vision of their own. The problems being, a) it will be - if a real visionary - someone with a very different vision, b) it will be being spear-headed by someone who did not build (or own) the operation and does not automatically command the loyalty of the legion of troops built up by the founder, and c) since the new visionary will never have been in such a position, the validity of the vision is necessarily unknown, and thus suspect and much in danger of being second-guessed both within the company, in the media and by consumers.

(This certainly will never happen until Steve relinquishes his Chairmanship, but it will likely HAVE to happen someday.)

Nearly all companies of the Ford, Edison, Disney and IBM stripe have periods of eventual drift or worse after their iconic CEO's move on to the Great Executive Bathroom in the Sky.

(Tho' I again hope Steve still has years of a successful Chairmanship and a rewarding personal life left to him.)

Some companies weather it better than others. Some go through tumult, chaos and a number of wrenching transitions/reorgs, whether shortly after the change, or in some cases years down the road.

Whatever, hopefully it's gonna be at least half as interesting as the Apple we've followed for the last decades.
 
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Some of the comments in this thread are ridiculous.

If you don't think Steve has been grooming Tim for the past 13 years then you haven't been paying attention. Tim has been Steve's right hand man for a long time now and Tim probably knows Steve better than anyone.

While it's okay to wonder what life will be like without Steve I think we underestimate how well Tim will do. If Steve says Apple's best years lie ahead then I believe him.

Everything will be fine.

Grooming? There really isn't any training for being innovative, you either have it or you don't. I'm not saying Jobs is a visionary but he has taken good idea's and implemented them in consumer products well with their own Apple style. This also isn't something you can be trained to do and it will take time to see how much of that Tim has in him.
 
The visionary role will be “replaced" by:

1. Jonathan Ives (who has always been one of the people serving that role).

2. Lots of other people who Jobs has valued and who have compatible philosophies with his (because Apple’s projects are team efforts, not Jobs’ efforts). People in software, hardware, wherever.

3. Lots more people—even new ones—who learn what has made Apple great through Jobs’ "Apple University" program (case studies etc.—look it up, it sounds like a major effort to me, and I’m surprised how little it gets mentioned).

4. New people who will emerge in future who we’ve never heard of, that have their own vision, but compatible with Apple’s strengths. Some will even bring their own strengths that Apple never had before. There will certainly be things people can do better than Jobs does.

5. Enough cash in the bank to make some missteps and recover from them gracefully while serving Apple's customers well. Maybe there will be a learning curve on some things, but it won’t be a fatal one.

6. Steve Jobs himself! Someday, be it 5 years or 50, he will be gone. But he’s not gone yet.
 
"surprise retirement"

How can you state his retirement was a surprise? Where have you been living these last 5 years? With his diagnosis, Tim in control since Jan, and you say you were surprised? I would had been surprised in Feb. Maybe. But in Aug?
 
Besides the fact that Steve is a visionary, the most difficult aspect that makes him irreplaceable, is his loyalty to Apple. Sure, Tim and all the others are loyal to a point, but no one is ever going to be as loyal as Steve was. That's because it's always been his baby. Even those years he wasn't with Apple, I'm pretty certain he never lost his feeling for the company that he created. He is synonymous with Apple and no other person is going to have that same connection. Pretty much any CEO that had billions in the bank and got sick like Steve would have quit and lived out their remaining years enjoying their money and taking it easy. Not Steve. He seems to be more concerned with the transition and making sure his company continues to thrive long after he's gone. It's this personal dedication that makes Apple unique.

Cook will do fine, but will he be as die-hard loyal as time goes by? Will he work at Apple for the next 10 years and then cash out or go to another company for the challenge? I can see Cook or anyone doing something like that, but not Steve. Cook will work hard and do well... he seems to love working at apple too. But what's different is that Cook works at Apple, while Steve lived it. Apple was his passion and what defined him. Apple will never get that from Cook and will never be the same without Steve.
 
Locked in the vaults of Cupertino is an App called The Visions of Steve Jobs by Steve Jobs. Every year, this App will send an encrypted email to Tim Cook and Johny Ive who are the only two people who have the encryption key to this email.

The email will detail the products that should be released that year, and an attachment of a Keynote presentation which will be delivered by anyone at Apple who fits into SJ's jeans, mock-turtle shirt and trainers.

This App will expire in 20 years time when all computers will be embedded into the human body and there will no longer be a need for separate devices.

All humans with embedded devices will be called iMacDroids.
 
$383 million for an accountant. :eek:

As others have mentioned, his role goes much deeper than that. If others' accounts of his effectiveness are to be believed, he's saved tens, if not hundreds of millions in inventory management and supplier relationship strategies.

So Tim Cook's resounding contribution is higher profit margins? How about quality and innovation?

LAME

His savings are part of the reason they have that huge cash hoard that allows them to innovate in the first place.
 
Grooming? There really isn't any training for being innovative, you either have it or you don't. I'm not saying Jobs is a visionary but he has taken good idea's and implemented them in consumer products well with their own Apple style. This also isn't something you can be trained to do and it will take time to see how much of that Tim has in him.

You may wish to rephrase that comment! :eek:

http://www.slideshare.net/super/what-is-grooming


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If you guys haven't heard the word grooming in the business world then look it up in the dictionary. Here, I'll even post a definition for you.

4. To prepare, as for a specific position or purpose: groom an employee for advancement.

With that said my statement stands. Tim has been there for right next to Steve being his right hand man. He knows what he is doing and he knows how to continue where Steve left off.

There is a reason Steve has made Tim his successor and that has been planned for quite some time. I don't have nearly as much negativism surrounding this issue as some of you have.

Either way our opinions won't make a difference. We are all going to have to sit back and see how our favorite company is handled. I think everything will be okay, others might not agree.
 
If you guys haven't heard the word grooming in the business world then look it up in the dictionary. Here, I'll even post a definition for you.

4. To prepare, as for a specific position or purpose: groom an employee for advancement.

With that said my statement stands. Tim has been there for right next to Steve being his right hand man. He knows what he is doing and he knows how to continue where Steve left off.

There is a reason Steve has made Tim his successor and that has been planned for quite some time. I don't have nearly as much negativism surrounding this issue as some of you have.

Either way our opinions won't make a difference. We are all going to have to sit back and see how our favorite company is handled. I think everything will be okay, others might not agree.

I think someone was just being pedantic for the sake of it.
 
Plus, that is in stock options. He'd have to sell them all off.
Good point on the stock option--that $350 million is only on paper, not in the bank. If everyone lost faith in Apple tomorrow, those stocks could go from $350 million to $350 dollars. Stocks are only worth what people are willing to pay for them.

Which is why giving Cook those stocks rather than $350 million in cash was a wise move. He is now very much invested in making sure Apple does well--which I'm sure he was anyway, but this is certainly a very strong, added incentive. If Apple does well, his stocks do well. Furthermore, stockholders will also feel better about him knowing that he's not just the CEO, he, too, has a substantial financial investment in the company, just like they do.

Very smart. It's a reward, it shows trust, and at the same time it offers incentive and reassures the owners of the company.
 
Keirsey's Temperament theory would identify Jobs as an Inventor (ENTP) and Cook (based on the Fortune profile) as an Architect (INTP). That being the case:

1. Jobs and Cook share pretty much the same personality type, with the only difference being Jobs is expressive and Cook is attentive. While the article mistakes this for a major temperamental difference, in reality, this difference is considered the least significant of personality factors.

2. As such, Cook is just as much a visionary as Jobs, if not more so. True, he probably won't enthusiastically share his ideas with others, as Jobs would, and he may not even have as many ideas as Jobs. But that's only because his ideas will be completely thought through before they are even shared with anyone. I would even venture to guess that Jobs relied heavily on Cook to vet his own ideas and ensure they were sound. And this brings us to the next point:

3. He is not an accountant. What he did with Apple was not merely to balance the books, but to examine an entire system for its faults, weaknesses, redundancies, etc., then modify the system — or create an entirely new one — that does away with those weaknesses. If anything, this is a testament to his extraordinary vision and his ability to implement it.

4. It is for this reason that Jobs trusts and respects Cook so much, and why he feels confident with Cook running the Apple ship. In fact, if I understand the situation correctly, nothing changed in Apple's day to day operations last week when Jobs announced his resignation. Cook has been running the ship for some time now, and he's done a swell job at it. And Jobs likes what he sees, because in effect, he's watching a slightly different version of his own self at the head of his company.

All told, if you want someone like Jobs — vision and all — to take over at Apple; with Tim Cook, that's exactly what you've got.
 
I agree with others in that Ive is not the guy for Apple CEO. He is an artist and one of the world's leading designers. Is he a computer/device guy? I'm not convinced. I think Ive would be just as happy designing beautiful furniture or cars.

As for Cook, and I mean this in the best possible way, I think Jobs found his true manager, his true "CEO type", like he was looking for way back when he brough Sculley in. Sculley was a manager, an Ops guy but he lacked vision and the ability to deal with tough decision and tough people. I think Cook has those abilities. I was very impressed with the Cook Manifesto in where he described Apple's DNA. Cook expressed this even better than Jobs has.

Areas where I am concerned:

1. "Next Big Thing" vision: Jobs once said before returning to Apple that he would milk the Mac for all it's worth and get on to the next big thing. We've seen iPod, iPhone, iPad...who was really responsible for bringing these to market? Was it Jobs? Are there others in the company who can find and execute on the Next Big Thing? As I said, I don't think this is Ive.

2. Mac OS's future.... as we see more and more move toward iOS it just may not matter. But in past years we have lost Avie, then Bertrand and I'm just not convinced on the direction of OS X. But as I said, it simply may not matter as desktops become trucks.

3. Pro video/photo market: My assumption is that Cook will be more bottom line focused. So, will we see the end of Apple going after the Pro market (as many think has already happened with FCP X)? If so, can we at least get the Pro apps sold off and not killed ala Shake?
 
If I was the CEO, I'd do nothing for a while, keep thing the same, then start looking at the market, and the gaps in the market we were not filling.

I'l want to listen to developers and users and see if I got a consistent feedback there there was something they would like that we were not going, and see what we could do about it.

I would not want to fill the room up with Apple worshippers who would tell me that everything we do is the best and nothing we do is wrong.

From my perspective Steve is not a guy that is looking for gaps. He is/was creating them.

Although I agree about the worshippers part I think you'd be a lousy CEO.
 
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