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Jobs supposedly left behind a pipeline of 3 or 4 years worth of stuff. I'd say you can fairly judge Cook after they get past that.

I wouldn't view it that way. First the CEO isn't likely to dream up product concepts. Even if he met with the other teams prior to his death, he's not around for their implementation. Beyond that there was nothing to substantiate the claim by anyone at any point. You should also consider the typical job description of a CEO. It goes beyond the oversight of those who run the product pipeline. He is in some way involved with all facets of the company. It's just that a CEO doesn't run any department directly.

I didn't intend to suggest that Steve had success only because he took "safe bets": what I meant is that human beings in general tend to react irrationally to change. You have to admit that switching leadership from Jobs to anyone else was considered a big change for the company. Every change is both a risk and an opportunity, but very few focus on the opportunity: most will focus on the risk. And they will tend to focus more on the risk the more "secure" and satisifed they felt in the old situation, even if that "security" is irrational.

That's partly because Jobs made himself the face of the company. He was incredibly involved as a speaker to the point where I think many people on here have a misguided perception of his role.
 
iOS has gone down hill in both it's ascetics and usability. When it comes to OS X is barely a shadow of its former self

That's entirely your opinion and I think it's nonsense. I'm running the latest versions of iOS and OS X and they are both amazing, both incredible improvements on their predecessors. In fact, I think OS X actually took a few leaps forward that might not have happened without Steve being out of the picture (tabbed Finder windows being the first thing that comes to mind.)
 
I'm curious, could you provide a few examples? What competitor products are drawing your attention and why? What should Apple be doing differently? How are they kicking the enthusiast to the curb? I'll grant that much has changed over the past decade, but I personally see almost all of the changes as being for the better. As a long-time customer (32 years now!), I'd like to hear what is driving another long-time customer away. No judgement, just curious!

Some examples? Sure:

Phones:
-Sammy Galaxy S4: Issued to me by my work (large telco). After using it for a week, I gave my kid my iPhone 4s. Way bigger, brighter screen, better pics, customizable as all get out, expandable storage, IR sensor. A pocket PC-do-it-all device. iPhone's a bit more smooth, but not significantly enough. And I detest iOS 7.

-Nexus 5: If I were buying, this is what I'd get. Same as above, but better-loking, pure Android (no bloat). I'm a guy; no bright, girlie colors for me, please. I'd get it black-on-black.

-Wife traded in an iPad 2 and iPhone 4s for a Samsung Galaxy Note 3. She is not a techie (like me), but says she's never been happier, and that her device is "better than the iPhone/iPad combination by a lot".

Tablets:

-Love the iPad hardware, hate the OS. A lot. No separate user acounts, no customization whatsoever, forced to jailbreak to get what I want. Sammy's/Google tablets looking more attractive by the minute, especially since migrating phones. Apple's app store is great, but I've yet to not find equal or equivalent software for what I use a tablet for. For the time being, my iPad 1 suffices (and doesn't run iOS 7-up):p

PCs:

-Portables, nothing. Will hold on to my early 2011 MBP 17 'till it dies, and then I'd fix it. I baby this thing. My MBP is (even more than) a portable iMac: TB port, ethernet, disk drive (took it out and put another HDD in, RAID 0), FW800 (still the standard in audio interfaces-I'm a musician), and Expresscard expansion slot (allows me to connect to anything: e-sata, usb3, etc., thus future-proofing). For it's size, thin and light (my 9 year-old daughter carries it all over the house, to my chagrin). Nothing in the market compares. I do like the Lenovo Yogas, and don't mind Win 8 too much (I like Metro waaay more than iOS7), although I'd go the Linux route 1st.

Retina MBP too small/insignificant for my taste, and Apple jumped the gun with port-elimination and SSD exclusivity (because of capacity vs price), soldered-ram, and difficult user-access for the sake of a little bit more thinness. SSDs are nice, but capacity wise they're still too pricey and HDDs are not going anywhere for a while. Way too early to kill it in ALL their portables (save the 13 with the POS screen).

-Mac Pro: Niche and pricey. Again, brilliantly ahead of its time. Can't afford it/justify it if I wanted one. Non-standard components means I'm stuck with what they give me. Unnecessarily externalized too. Circular design is cool but impractical (can't stack or lay on side, etc). Cabling nightmare. Would've been happy with the (unnecessarily huge but flexible) updated "old" Mac Pro more than the tube.

-iMac: Logic board and graphics card failure after 2 years of in-home, consumer use, costing $1,000 to repair. Bad design to have high-heat components behind a high heat humongous screen. Couldn't even upgrade the HDD without the fans going crazy (something to do with custom drives). New ones are even worse, with a glued (!) screen. Pretty, but flawed. Never again.

-Mac mini: Looks like this is the last Mac desktop I'd buy, just so I can run OSX (I'm NOT switching to Windows). However, an iMac without the screen would be best, if Apple made it.

All this means is that, at least since 2011, my Apple upgrade path has come to a screeching halt. If OSX goes the iOS 7 route fully, then Apple will get no more money from me. I'm content with staying right here or going Linux or even (gasp!) Windows. But the bottom line is that all Apple products are now appliances, or moving towards becoming one.

The competition is catching up.
 
Another review trashing the book. I think I'm up to 6 or 7 bad reviews now.

time.com/31009/haunted-empire-a-bad-book-about-apple-after-steve-jobs/
 
Another review trashing the book. I think I'm up to 6 or 7 bad reviews now.

time.com/31009/haunted-empire-a-bad-book-about-apple-after-steve-jobs/

I'm not sure bad reviews will prevent sales. In fact, the more scathing, the more likely it's fuel for the fire.
 
I'm not sure bad reviews will prevent sales. In fact, the more scathing, the more likely it's fuel for the fire.

I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. How may people buy a book after it's gotten crap reviews? If I go to amazon.com and see a book with 1 star and reviewers saying save your money the last thing I'm inclined to do is buy it. I'm curious to know who you think will be more likely to buy the book specifically because most reviews say its crap. My guess is people who post here or on tech sites that aren't fans of Apple won't waste their time or money on it.
 
I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. How may people buy a book after it's gotten crap reviews? If I go to amazon.com and see a book with 1 star and reviewers saying save your money the last thing I'm inclined to do is buy it. I'm curious to know who you think will be more likely to buy the book specifically because most reviews say its crap. My guess is people who post here or on tech sites that aren't fans of Apple won't waste their time or money on it.

Generally I agree with you. Especially for things earmarked as fiction. Bad fiction is just not fun to read.

However, this is supposed to be non-fiction analytical perspective on a company at the forefront of peoples thought.

A scathing review might make people take it up to see exactly what (s)he is saying that is pissing people off so much, enough so that the CEO even responded.

its negative publicity and it might work for this books favour. The best thing Cook could have done was ignore it. let the authors work disapear into relative obscurity. Responding to it just gave it more attention
 
I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. How may people buy a book after it's gotten crap reviews? If I go to amazon.com and see a book with 1 star and reviewers saying save your money the last thing I'm inclined to do is buy it. I'm curious to know who you think will be more likely to buy the book specifically because most reviews say its crap. My guess is people who post here or on tech sites that aren't fans of Apple won't waste their time or money on it.

http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/10-bestsellers-with-more-than-50-one-star-reviews_b45800

Just sayin' It's not totally ridiculous. I get it - you hate the book (without reading it) and everything it stands for. You want it to fail miserably and be forgotten.
 
Another review trashing the book. I think I'm up to 6 or 7 bad reviews now.

time.com/31009/haunted-empire-a-bad-book-about-apple-after-steve-jobs/

I would call this a must-read for anyone who wishes to discuss this topic. The full URL:

http://time.com/31009/haunted-empire-a-bad-book-about-apple-after-steve-jobs/

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Generally I agree with you. Especially for things earmarked as fiction. Bad fiction is just not fun to read.

However, this is supposed to be non-fiction analytical perspective on a company at the forefront of peoples thought.

A scathing review might make people take it up to see exactly what (s)he is saying that is pissing people off so much, enough so that the CEO even responded.

its negative publicity and it might work for this books favour. The best thing Cook could have done was ignore it. let the authors work disapear into relative obscurity. Responding to it just gave it more attention

I know, some people are attracted to trash books. Just look at how many of them sell. But those of us who have other things going on in their lives (and a pile of good books awaiting reading), a brace of critical drubbings is not going to be an attraction.

Incidentally, the Time review proves what I've been saying about the purpose of Cook's statement. There it is, quoted. That's a lot better than the writer contacting Apple for a response and having to print, "Tim Cook didn't return my phone calls," or "an Apple spokesperson declined to comment on the book."
 
Calling it "nonsense" is not quite what I would call an acknowledgement.

Tim Cook's exact quote was:

This nonsense belongs with some of the other books I’ve read about Apple. It fails to capture Apple, Steve, or anyone else in the company. Apple has over 85,000 employees that come to work each day to do their best work, to create the world’s best products, to put their mark in the universe and leave it better than they found it. This has been the heart of Apple from day one and will remain at the heart for decades to come. I am very confident about our future.

That is quite more than just a simple "nonsense" as you suggest. It is an acknowledgment he took the time to familiarize himself with the contents of the book.
 
I'm not sure bad reviews will prevent sales. In fact, the more scathing, the more likely it's fuel for the fire.

You do have a point - to a degree.

The conspiracy theorists will believe the bad reviews are a deliberate attempt to discourage readership. A smokescreen, if you will.

Thus encouraged, their wallets will positively pop open.
 
I would call this a must-read for anyone who wishes to discuss this topic. The full URL:

http://time.com/31009/haunted-empire-a-bad-book-about-apple-after-steve-jobs/
Something I find a bit curious about this book...yesterday 20 5 star reviews showed up on amazon.com. Most of these reviews praise the book for pretty much everything the reviews like Time and the Guardian pan it for. They praise the writing and storyline and call it riveting and a must read. To me it's highly suspicious because they all showed up on the same day and they're all 5 stars.
 
Something I find a bit curious about this book...yesterday 20 5 star reviews showed up on amazon.com. Most of these reviews praise the book for pretty much everything the reviews like Time and the Guardian pan it for. They praise the writing and storyline and call it riveting and a must read. To me it's highly suspicious because they all showed up on the same day and they're all 5 stars.

Do you review items on Amazon? I know that they usually have a queue for reviews to go live (it's not automatic). It's not impossible for 20 people to have read and reviewed the book and all of the reviews to have been published at the same time.
 
Do you review items on Amazon? I know that they usually have a queue for reviews to go live (it's not automatic). It's not impossible for 20 people to have read and reviewed the book and all of the reviews to have been published at the same time.

Would the publisher seed early copies to friendly reviewers? I know I would.

Social media's not the grass-roots thing it used to be, sadly.
 
Would the publisher seed early copies to friendly reviewers? I know I would.

It's possible. But if they did, that's not nefarious as I would imagine publishers would make that decision across the board - not just for this book. Occam's razor and all.
 
Do you review items on Amazon? I know that they usually have a queue for reviews to go live (it's not automatic). It's not impossible for 20 people to have read and reviewed the book and all of the reviews to have been published at the same time.

All 5 star reviews? Most if not all praising the book for exactly what Time, the Guardian, Philip Elmer Dewitt, Rene Ritchie etc. panned it for? Seems a bit suspicious to me. So far of all the published reviews from those who were sent a book, I can only find one that recommended it - FOSS patents.

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Would the publisher seed early copies to friendly reviewers? I know I would.

Social media's not the grass-roots thing it used to be, sadly.

That's probably what happened. Those 20 5 star reviews got the book up to a 2.5 average star rating on Amazon. :D
 
Something I find a bit curious about this book...yesterday 20 5 star reviews showed up on amazon.com. Most of these reviews praise the book for pretty much everything the reviews like Time and the Guardian pan it for. They praise the writing and storyline and call it riveting and a must read. To me it's highly suspicious because they all showed up on the same day and they're all 5 stars.

It's probably an Astroturf campaign. Paid reviewers are common, and a good reason to never automatically trust what you read in crowdsourced reviews like on Amazon. Unless the review is thorough and seems original or thoughtful, I generally dismiss it.
 
All 5 star reviews? Most if not all praising the book for exactly what Time, the Guardian, Philip Elmer Dewitt, Rene Ritchie etc. panned it for? Seems a bit suspicious to me. So far of all the published reviews from those who were sent a book, I can only find one that recommended it - FOSS patents.

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That's probably what happened. Those 20 5 star reviews got the book up to a 2.5 average star rating on Amazon. :D

You seem to have a very unhealthy obsession (to me) with how the book is being reviewed. I really hope that if it sells really well you aren't in need of hypertension meds ;)
 
Do you review items on Amazon? I know that they usually have a queue for reviews to go live (it's not automatic). It's not impossible for 20 people to have read and reviewed the book and all of the reviews to have been published at the same time.

It isn't automatic, but clearly the reviews aren't read before they are posted either. I think they run them through a filter for bad words, or some such. In my experience, most reviews appear with an hour or so.
 
Yada yada - I guess this topic goes on and on.

Steve had a unique style and, more importantly, a track record of market changing products / services. Tim has yet to establish the beginnings of such a track record.

So far, he has gone on and on about the "pipeline" but nothing that matches his rhetoric has come out yet.

Perhaps the pipeline is constipated - perhaps Tim can't get things moving....
 

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This. We are in a period of evolution, not revolution. The multi-touch revolution is over and we're now waiting for all of the components of the next revolution to come together. We can see the seeds being planted today, advances in power management and battery life, voice-driven interaction, AI, sensors, etc. All of these will come together and yield amazing products in the future, but they are in their infancy today.

Yada yada - I guess this topic goes on and on.

Steve had a unique style and, more importantly, a track record of market changing products / services. Tim has yet to establish the beginnings of such a track record.

So far, he has gone on and on about the "pipeline" but nothing that matches his rhetoric has come out yet.

Perhaps the pipeline is constipated - perhaps Tim can't get things moving....


For someone who claims to be a shareholder, you sure do post a lot of anti-AAPL crap. I don't know any real shareholders with anything approaching substantial positions who act like that.
 
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