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Wonder if the people defending Alex Jones’ right to not be censored would have the same opinion of Hitler. Blocking hate speech and lies is NOT censorship. It’s called being a decent human being leading a decent company.

I welcome you to actually just watch one of Alex Jones/InfoWars broadcasts instead of just watching meme clips on youtube. People act like Alex Jones is some kind of KKK leader, yelling the "N word" all day on his show. He's a little over the top, but he's merely an entertainer who also happens to share some news from reliable inside sources he's reporting on, and he's been correct more often than not. He's no different than the CNN broadcasters who run with whatever dirt they can scrounge up about Trump all day long, without researching or verifying, except he's actually sharing some eye opening stuff. I'm not a Trump supporter, but I see it every day. Trump does enough damage to his reputation on his own. The constant roasting of our president gets old after awhile. At some point, we need to ask ourselves if we want our president to be successful in the job they were elected to do instead of trying to undermine them whenever we can.

If we lived in a world where we didn't question what we were told sometimes, we wouldn't have the likes of someone such as Edward Snowden, a modern American hero. The difference now, is that instead of the NSA collecting all of our data, the big "independent" tech companies are doing their dirty work. That's why the censorship is worrisome to some.

Tim tries to push the "curated model" approach as the reasoning for the ban, but that really only covers what hits the front page of their news app, or their featured apps in the store. If you don't want to draw attention to it on your front page, then don't put it there... that's what curation is. I should still be able to search for whatever I want and "curate" my OWN content. What's the point of having this amazing technology in our pockets if we can't choose what we use it for? It's like when schools try banning Huckleberry Finn all over again.
 
Yes, it's censorship, no one has claimed otherwise. But there's no evidence that Apple has removed content purely on the basis of political stance, which if it did, would be quite dumb since it would affect its bottom line.

The content that Apple has removed is content where the author blatantly threatens other people, promotes hatred and violent acts towards others based on their political beliefs, race, gender, and sexual orientation.

If you think such content belongs anywhere in society then it's time to review your moral code.

And even if censoring such content is wrong --it's not-- Apple has the right to do whatever it wants with its business, just as you have the right to run your own affairs.
I agree with your first couple of points. However, YouTube, Facebook, and Apple are not regular businesses. They host content written by other people and legally they are either "platforms" or "publishers".

"Platforms" are open channels for anyone to express their opinions. The owners of the platforms do not control what people say and are not held legally responsible for the content. In contrast, Publishers exercise editorial control over content and are held legally accountable for libel if they publish (or allow to be published on their platforms) false, negative stories about people. Facebook doesn't want to be held legally responsible for every user that posts false, malicious statements about other people whether it is the user's neighbor / co-worker or a politician / celebrity. So Facebook and other big tech companies claim to be platforms rather than publishers.

I am NOT a supporter of Jones - I find him offensive on multiple levels. But when big tech companies decided to boot him off of their platforms, they crossed the line between being a platform open to anyone and being a publisher who exercises editorial control over their "platform". Yes, it is their platform and they have a legal right to say we don't want your speech on our platform. But in doing so, they have essentially become publishers and they soon pay the price by opening themselves up to lawsuits for not exercising editorial control over other hateful / libelous speech.

As for "blatant threats" - SCOTUS has ruled that the first amendment does not apply to speech that constitutes a "clear and present danger" to others. In other words, if person A is pointing a gun at person B and person C says "shoot him, shoot him" - that is not protected free speech. While I disagree with and personally dislike Alex Jones, I have not heard him say anything that would constitute a "clear and present danger" (not saying he has never done so, just that I am not aware of it).
 
This is the same woman who did the phenomenal coverage of the Unite the Right riots last year in Charlottesville.
 
To say that apple doesn’t lean one way or the other politically is a total lie.
I disagree. They're pretty moderate. Socially, and ethically, they are an open book. Tim Cook's personal political donations, for example, have been close to perfectly bipartisan. Apple has spent close to $4.5M lobbying both parties for advancements in tech legislation, read; business purpose, in 2015. They've given little to no indication as to where they stand politically, and as I see it, they stand nowhere other than their own turf. This point of view is brought to you by a conservative.

Also, Alex Jones is a brilliant entertainer, who focuses on monetizing a dumber-than-doornails audience (or those like me who enjoy watching his face turn cherry red). These businesses (Apple, YouTube, Twitter, etc.) are platforms of distribution. Jones' material, for people who eccentrically believe in particular conspiracy theories and, whether true or not, a platform could potentially be held under lawsuit for heinous acts of aggression or violence. The perfect scenario is how Sandy Hook deniers showed up at a funeral and harassed a family. If the abuser claimed that he learned, "it was a hoax," from the App Store app, Apple could be liable for distributing material that caused harassment, violence, or worse. It is a legal decision at the end of the day to distance themselves from something else, possibly something that a listener of Jones may do that can have detrimental ramifications, including somebody losing a life. Apple is right to remove InfoWars from the App Store.

That is not censorship, but an ethical and legally protective decision. The infowars website still exists. There is no such thing as, "free speech," whether true or inaccurate, in media unless you use your own platform for distribution.
 
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Yes, it's censorship, no one has claimed otherwise. But there's no evidence that Apple has removed content purely on the basis of political stance, which if it did, would be quite dumb since it would affect its bottom line.

The content that Apple has removed is content where the author blatantly threatens other people, promotes hatred and violent acts towards others based on their political beliefs, race, gender, and sexual orientation.

If you think such content belongs anywhere in society then it's time to review your moral code.

And even if censoring such content is wrong --it's not-- Apple has the right to do whatever it wants with its business, just as you have the right to run your own affairs.
Regardless. I want to read those articles about the author being threatening, violent, hatefilled. I am a big boy, I promise it will not turn me into a violent. I also promise I have enough judgement to decide the content is bad, if it is in fact bad.

Censorship is the assumption that I am NOT smart enough to filter out the bad content from the good. By censoring you are automatically saying, "dont look at this, seeing it is not healthy/good/might cause problems" ... that is the problem I have with any form of censorship. If the rest of the world is so extremely confident that certain ideas are bad, they should let the public decide that, surely the public will make the right decisions, right? Well that is the problem these censors do not believe the public will make the right decisions, they are afraid, they are hiding something or think we are too stupid. ??? Is there any single more logical reason why censorship is immediately flawed.

So here comes the "but but but we just want to save you from wasting time with bad content" side of the debate. Well than like the previous user said GIVE US A BLOODY CHOICE. Give us an uncensored and a censored version. Then see what the average joe chooses. Not a complicated concept.

Plus who is to say who does the censoring? Everyone has an agenda whether they realize it or not.
 
Well, I hate to break it to you Tim, but understand that I was raised to be independent, so I don't need a nanny protecting me or my children. You can call it what you want, but at the end of the day its still censorship.

Now if Tim really believes this, then just provide a switch to select curated or not and see how many want curated versus not censored. I'll bet a significant portion will select no censorship. But no, that'll never happen because it will expose the political bias that Tim denies.

Someone please remind my of what the original apple symbol used to stand for.
 
So why can’t you make that determination on your own? Why does Apple have to do it for you?
Also, Alex Jones is a brilliant entertainer, who focuses on monetizing a dumber-than-doornails audience (or those like me who enjoy watching his face turn cherry red). These businesses (Apple, YouTube, Twitter, etc.) are platforms of distribution. Jones' material, for people who eccentrically believe in particular conspiracy theories and, whether true or not, a platform could potentially be held under lawsuit for heinous acts of aggression or violence. The perfect scenario is how Sandy Hook deniers showed up at a funeral and harassed a family. If the abuser claimed that he learned, "it was a hoax," from the App Store app, Apple could be liable for distributing material that caused harassment, violence, or worse. It is a legal decision at the end of the day to distance themselves from something else, possibly something that a listener of Jones may do that can have detrimental ramifications, including somebody losing a life. Apple is right to remove InfoWars from the App Store.

That is not censorship, but an ethical and legally protective decision. The infowars website still exists. There is no such thing as, "free speech," whether true or inaccurate, in media unless you use your own platform for distribution.

Apple is a business, not a government. They require legal protection.
 
It is a startling and scary prospect for a technology company like Apple to have products. Such as the iPhone or iPad. and have it restrict who can and cannot have software used by consumers on their devices like an Alex Jones.

People can make up their own minds on content, news and etc.

Free speech rights dictate that companies not restrict applications like infowars app. It was stopped being offered by the iTunes app stores. but.. it also has been deleted from being available to those had downloaded it, but upgraded to new devices. namely Apple pulled the app from their cloud backup servers also.

It used to be, "I may disagree with what you are saying, but I will defend your right to say it." the ACLU had defended people with unpopular speech. or even controversial speech, not so much these days. It's a sad day.
 
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I agree, if anything just let the users choose. Let people make their own decisions.
They can choose Android if they really miss Alex Jones's app. Apple has small market share, so I don't see why people don't leave them alone to do what they want.
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So why can’t you make that determination on your own? Why does Apple have to do it for you?
For a reason similar to why slander is illegal under US law.
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That’s the thing about these libs....they think they’re middle of the road.
I think they all know the tech companies are in with the Democrat party. If they say otherwise, they're probably lying. Unless the "libs" are actually socialists (though IMO this is the most truly conservative viewpoint ever), in which case they're very much not friends with tech corps.
 
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I'm not sure how Tim could say "Apple does not lean one way or the other politically" with a straight face :).
They don’t, and even Cook is bipartisan. He votes for whatever candidate he thinks best fits the role, and his donation records reflect that. People think Apple is liberal simply because they are open, diverse, and have a strong set of core values including environmental awareness.

That doesn’t make a company “liberal,” but ethical and self-aware.
 
So if a man was standing outside of a school zone cussing out little kids as they go by, is your answer to just don't listen to them? What if that sick behavior spawns more useful idiots to do the same because it is now going viral. Just ignore it? Sometimes you have to step up and do something on platforms and territory you own to keep it attractive for all involved.

I’d tell my kids “Look at that idiot. Let’s point & laugh. Don’t be like him”

Either way, walking out of school is an unavoidable situation for people. Clicking on an app, however, is avoidable.

What would they even charge this imaginary guy with? If he’s on a public sidewalk, tough ****. Little johny will be OK.
 
I’d tell my kids “Look at that idiot. Let’s point & laugh. Don’t be like him”

Either way, walking out of school is an unavoidable situation for people. Clicking on an app, however, is avoidable.

What would they even charge this imaginary guy with? If he’s on a public sidewalk, tough ****. Little johny will be OK.
Receiving threats is unavoidable, and Alex Jones was directly causing that for certain people affected by certain school shootings.

Look, I'm 100% pro-free-speech and relatively Libertarian/Republican-leaning on the relevant issues here (even though I hate associating with those people), and I think Apple made the right move.
 
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He seems more and more full of s**t lately
How he says a lot of this stuff with a straight, non-laughing face I'll never know. Like how he says about Apple producing phones that everyone can afford, basically denying that they aren't price gouging at every opportunity.

My BS meter blew up months ago upon reading one of his quotes. He seems so comfortable saying these things, we should all be terrified if he ever does decide to go in to politics.
 
"What users want from us and what we've always provided them is a curated platform." - Tim Cook.

Considering the Infowars app was one of the top 3 downloaded apps in the iOS News category (above the CNN app and other large media outlets) when it was banned, I think users were clearly showing what they want, and Apple couldn't care less. So please Tim, don't give me this "what users want" rubbish.
 
Yeah right, Apple doesn't lean one way or the other, what complete BS. Wrong move to censor people like that. Not cool Apple. I thought you were a different kind of company that had better morals than that. You're beginning to fit into the same category as Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc.

This makes me miss Apple when Steve was still the CEO.
No offense, but you didn’t know who Steve was.
 
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People crying about “free speech” regarding the removal of Alex Jones’ stuff... what’s your opinion on the removal of fake news? You can’t say “free speech” only covers one of those. If it’s BS it’s BS and it needs to go. Jones’ productions may have contained opinions but they sure as heck contained fake news too. If they were just opinions, that would be a different story and his hate speech would be down to law enforcement to deal with.
 
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In the mean time an islam app that in English says that a 'man can beat his disobedient wife', 'no wife can become lovable unless she fulfills the rights of her husband and keeps him pleased', and that, 'the role of men is superior & women subordinate at home/life/work', is still in the App Store.

As this is just normal islamic teaching, there must be many apps like this.

I've reported it months ago via live chat with Apple employee and email to support.
 
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Vice is terrible and doesn't ask the hard hitting questions;

"So Tim the entire world wants to know.....what exactly is up with the Mac Mini?"

If I am not mistaken interviewees are provided questions ahead of time. Their can opt not to answer a question, however if an interviewer may have a lead question depending on the response received. Interviews are not all blind. Example of a blind interview is when you approach an individual in public and ask a few questions or a press conference.

Seems more of a promotional feel good reassurance of Apples stance on issues people are aware of conducted by a different media outfit.

Nothing new to be seen or heard that has not been mentioned by Tim before.
 
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