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I’m missing something here: how is Alexa / Prime Music not a “deep integration” between software and hardware with Alexa (and likewise with Google’s software and hardware)? I know Apple was revolutionary with phones / computers for developing both the hardware and the software, which resulted in this “deep integration”, but that ship has sailed for speakers with built in assistants and music services. Someone wake Apple up to this??

It doesn’t look like Apple can wake up - with its compromises to shareholders, and the special-interests pulling its strings.
 
A device locked ONLY into the Apple ecosystem or ones that plays music from a variety of services? Hmm I think I know which one I'll be taking.
Since I am subscribed to Apple Music, the HomePod seems like an obvious choice. I doubt a third party speaker will be able to integrate with the Apple ecosystem the same way the HomePod can.
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I’m missing something here: how is Alexa / Prime Music not a “deep integration” between software and hardware with Alexa (and likewise with Google’s software and hardware)? I know Apple was revolutionary with phones / computers for developing both the hardware and the software, which resulted in this “deep integration”, but that ship has sailed for speakers with built in assistants and music services. Someone wake Apple up to this??
Because amazon doesn’t have the same extensive ecosystem that Apple does. Prime music doesn’t even exist here in Singapore!
 
A device locked ONLY into the Apple ecosystem or ones that plays music from a variety of services?

I can't even play Spotify properly on my amazon echo. can't fast forward music, can't repeat, can't play songs that aren't available from the catalog (ripped old CDs, recordings). I can't Airplay so I have to fiddle around with bluetooth connections (it auto-connects when I don't, and a bit difficult to connect when I need it to).

There's something good about having a tightly controlled system that works together.

That said, Apple Music is terrible.
 
People who want quality sound at home most likely already have a quality sound system.

People that want a quality voice assistant at home probably already have something with Alexa.

So is the Home Pod going after some new market that does not exist yet? Or is it just another Apple hardware /software integration that comes without innovation?
Your comments remind me of the time when the iPod and iPhone were released. Both were thought to be crippled projects entering an already mature and crowded market, but it turned out that the market was actually still only in its infancy. And the rest as we know it is history.

In a sense, both the iPod and the iPhone completely reinvented their respective markets. What is to say the HomePod won’t do the same as well?
 
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I'm curious but none of the details about the homepod makes a good case to switch from someone already invested in Sonos. Play 5 sounds great, easily connects to my soundbase for quality surround sound when watching TV and can then connect to multiple Play Ones to stream music across different rooms in my house. Can easily switch between Alexa, Google, Spotify, Apple Music, etc. and apple isn't even offering the ability to connect homepods at launch after months of delay. WTF is Tim Cook doing? Listen, I love apple, own stock, use a macbook pro and iphone on a daily basis but these periphery items they've released (homepod, apple tv, carplay, watch, airpods) since Tim Cook took over as CEO leave a lot to be desired. It's time for a new CEO. One that brings excitement and innovation back to the company. Just watch a Tesla product launch - it reminds me when I use to watch a Steve Jobs keynote.
 
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Wow, I didn't think about that. That does seem like quite a hardship. The reach to the pocket is bad enough, then having to read it and type a reply... ughh.

Seriously, that's your example of hardship? :rolleyes:
He's kidding.

He doesn't bother wearing pants when he's 'working at' his computer
 
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They had to announce this a week after I got tired of delays and ordered 2 Amazon Echo's. I can take them back , but first I need to know that HomePods will be good replacement for my current Echo + Sonos setup.

What would convince me to switch -
Homepod -
  • Configurable Flash briefing(morning news + local weather )
  • Homekit device control
  • Send/recv calls via handoff from my phone like my Apple Watch and computers can do
  • Apple Music Control
  • Audible Audiobooks access
  • Pocket Casts podcast access
  • Airplay
  • Information - News, local Weather, local movies -basically what Siri already does
  • Order food delivery - pizza, chinese, etc
If they sound good enough, I might replace my Sonos Play 5 and Play 1 speakers. I'm already considering buying the new Sonos with Alexa built in. I could go with HomePod's with Siri instead.

I haven't found a good HomePod review that give a detail list of out of the box features. If you know of a good one, please link it here.
 
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Right now, we can only guess. But I would expect when a song is playing, I can look at my iWatch and see what song is being played. .
To be perfectly honest, sonos does the same thing. Play something via the sonos app and it appears in the now playing on your watch. I was surprised to discover this with my Girlfriend’s sonos
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I haven't found a good HomePod review that give a detail list of out of the box features. If you know of a good one, please link it here.

Exactly too much mystery which doesn’t fill me with confidence
 
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I don't know. Sometimes it sure feel like. For example, when someone with an iPhone texts me when I'm working on my computer, I can just reply right there on my computer. But if that text came from an android phone, then I have to pull the damn phone out of my pants in order to reply.

No, you don’t The message gets synced to iMessage on macOS just fine. You can even reply to it, it will send a green message to your Android friend.
 
My point is it will never sync like it will with apple products. That was my whole point. A big selling point for the homepod is the integration. It's a big reason why people buy these speakers.

Homepod is the only option for me as I only use apple music.
I don’t subscribe to Apple Music but if I am going to subscribe to any of them it will be be Apple Music. However the HomePod is the only one that can play my iTunes Library without having to upload it to other places.

It’s the only one that integrates with my Apple devices. If I ask Siri to set an appointment or reminder and I want it on my phone I don’t have to jump through hoops to do it.

I can send messages and use it to take calls.
 
Cook said that Apple's deep integration between hardware and software will help to differentiate the smart speaker from competing products like Amazon's Alexa and the Google Home.

Apples deep integration =
  • Only does what we want it to do
  • Try to lock you into the ecosystem
  • Doesn't play well with other devices

I am trying to do a prototype at the moment around NFC and Apples deep integration hinders to the point that NFC works on Android but not on Apple devices.
 
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Am I the only one that thinks it's crazy to put all these home microphone/camera devices in multiple rooms of your house?!

Nope. You're not the only one. But I'm not shocked that a lot of people are buying these like crazy. People simply don't care about privacy at all. I am not getting a HomePod, Sonos, Alexa or one from google.

There is already way too much tech in my house, and this has a privacy killer written all over it. Not worth it imo.
 
But Sonos does everything HomePod does...but better
With the greatest respect - how do you know that when the product has not been released yet ? Sonos also has major restrictions in the way content is sourced and played on the speaker....
 
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Tim Cook said:
"very immersive audio experience" was one thing missing from the smart speaker market, which Apple is aiming to fix. "Music deserves that kind of quality as opposed to some kind of squeaky sound,"
I guess he never heard of Bluesound, Bowers, Bang&Olufsen... or even Bose and Sonos.
 
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I do wonder what apple have developed concerning augmented reality wearables. I recently tried Microsoft’s hololens and I was blown away by how incredible it was. I’m still unsure how successful it will be at a consumer for level but for sure it has many great benefits in industry, I was actually using it on a construction site where I could see the virtual 3D model as I walked through so could see very easily which items had already been constructed and which items were missed based on what I saw on the headset and get all the info instantly thought the headset of any item as I walked around. It really was quite something.

I have no doubt Apple will have developed their own sort of AR wearable, but whether they ever release such a product and if they do when and how it’ll function is a totally different matter. But I can totally see it being their next new product as I can’t see much else on the horizon.
 
Uh, yes it does. My entire music library from my Mac is synced to my Sonos app. The Sonos app has Apple Music integrated into it (as well as amazon, google, pandora, tune-in, Spotify, etc, etc). Airplay 2 is also coming to Sonos.

Btw....all that for a little more than half the price of HomePod.

Lots of opinions on this site about Sonos from people who clearly do not own or have never used Sonos.

But it doesn't sync with apple products. All about the ecosystem. Sound wise it remains to be seen how it compares
 
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Am I the only one that thinks it's crazy to put all these home microphone/camera devices in multiple rooms of your house?!

And you never worried about the bug - your smartphone - that you carry with you all day and to every place? So far it has been proven that phones have been used as bugs and movement trackers, both by the manufacturers AND by governments. However, no security expert has yet discovered ANY evidence that those voice assistants/smart speakers have transmitted any data they were not supposed to transmit. Actually, that would be the immediate end of that business model. (But history has shown that only the American government has ever been stupid enough to endanger the businesses of their tax payers... That was when they planted spy software in Cisco equipment.)
 
I’m missing something here: how is Alexa / Prime Music not a “deep integration” between software and hardware with Alexa (and likewise with Google’s software and hardware)? I know Apple was revolutionary with phones / computers for developing both the hardware and the software, which resulted in this “deep integration”, but that ship has sailed for speakers with built in assistants and music services. Someone wake Apple up to this??
This is a standard Apple talking point. Maybe at one point it was true but it’s not anymore so I wish Cook & Co would stop using it.
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EVERY reviewer who heard them both said the Homepod was a much better sounding speaker. Kind of important for the premium speaker market don't you think? It also has technical capabilities that Sonos doesn't come close to since it Sonos has nothing like the A8 processor. Other than all that, you post is accurate.
Who had heard the HomePod outside of the demo area at Apple’s event? Can you provide some links to these reviews?
 
I really don’t know. I have two echo dots for basic things (home automstion lights, blinds, etc). One upstairs, one downstairs. I find the “app store” of Alexa features more useable than Siri has ever been. Siri feels dull to me and I really never use it than for basic features such as alarms, weather, etc. Alexa will add things to my shopping list, tell me the flash briefing of the news agencies I’ve added, on and on.

I feel like this product is not promising riding on a Siri platform as it currently is unless Apple has something incredible coming up. Siri can’t even understand semi complex things. I can ask Alexa to remind me that the chicken will be done in 17 minutes and upstairs it will remind me on either both or the echo of my choosing - simply saying “remind me on echo upstairs” - and furthermore when I actually ask it to remind me to “take the garbage out at 8pm” it will transribe that request with the time much better than Siri could currently do.

My two cents.
 
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I was given a Sonos Play 3 and 2 x Sonos Home Ones for Christmas and as much as I want to love them, having to use their app is such a pain. So much so, I’ve hardly used them. First world problems huh.
 
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Your comments remind me of the time when the iPod and iPhone were released. Both were thought to be crippled projects entering an already mature and crowded market, but it turned out that the market was actually still only in its infancy. And the rest as we know it is history.

In a sense, both the iPod and the iPhone completely reinvented their respective markets. What is to say the HomePod won’t do the same as well?
iPod had the iTunes Store and iPhone multi touch and a decent web browser in your pocket. To me HomePod is nothing more than an iPhone accessory for someone with an Apple Music subscription. Yes there is a market there (not sure how big) but I don’t see how HomePod is reinventing anything.
 
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