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Apple CEO Tim Cook: Sideloading Apps Would 'Destroy the Security' of the iPhone
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Gab was removed from Apple Store wish it was back sadly it’s now webos only if sideloading was easier it would survive better as an app outside apple store
How many people use Mac and how many people use iOS devices? And security on Mac is not perfect as you probably know, if you use a Mac.
Side loading would destroy the security of Apple their profits, is what he means to say.
Making products easier to access mitigates piracy, not making better products. Making better product is irrelevant to piracy.
What most bad companies end up doing is spend billions on DRM software that slows down the machine and doesnt benefit the user.
Nonsense Mr. Crook! An app can live in its own secure container, through the App Store or side-loaded.
Warn the user when they direct download that it could contain malware and hasn’t been checked by Apple, and leave the responsibility to the end-user.
You just want your 30%.
Warn the user when they direct download that it could contain malware and hasn’t been checked by Apple, and leave the responsibility to the end-user.
You just want your 30%.
You know the web is inferior compared to native running Apps, and that there are large parts of the world which does not have internet flat rates or a stable internet connection to constantly run WebApps.
Not even the EU nor the US can offer a stable mobile internet connection without dead zones. Even if this were the case, Apple still can anticompetitively tighten the screws through the webkit engine, and on top of that, they don’t allow third party browsers come with their own Webengine build-in e.g Firefox with Gecko, Chrome with Blink, etc..
Good that antitrust exists!
Apple better start to develop a open platform, because this is how it will end.
If you are visiting this forum and reading this, Tim Apple is not talking about you. Remember those scam calls that grandma got, and how a scammer scammed her by entering into her Mac/PC. When was the last time an iPad or iPhone was used for a scam like that? This is prevented by design. Thats what he is taking about.
So use an Android phone. That’s what I did, I chose Android as my primary platform. I have a choice. Why do you want to eliminate choice for consumers?
Considering there’s the obvious choice being Android, why are you so adamant about eliminating choice by turning iOS into Android?
“Apple needs to understand”? One of the most successful companies in the history of the world, a company that’s name is pretty consistently rated among the most respected, a company that even now shows satisfaction and retention rates that makes quite a few other companies envious, this is the company that must understand their own OS? No, Apple doesn’t need to understand but IMHO some posters on some forums could take a moment to understand competitors often do things differently to differentiate themselves from their competitor.
iOS is the more secure OS. Sure, You’ll get the twisting, the “no it’s not!!!” Shouts, the “there’s not enough iPhones to make it worth it” silliness, and the frustrated faces of those who can’t accept that quantified fact — but it is a fact. iOS is more secure (so is its privacy security). Given that, Apple needs to understand they must change to be like their competitor, and they shouldn’t believe/say they don’t want to do that and compromise security in any way? (I really need to keep “Apple must be like the competitor” in my clipboard — it’s a popular belief among some posters that are fans of the competitor).
Ian87’s post should be required reading for every poster before they are allowed to make a first post. It would save a lot of space for the tech gadgetry talk (something I’m interested in hearing about from other platforms too).
The amount of Apple must (be like their competitor) posts from some of the anti-Apple fans is getting hilariously huge. And For what purpose they come to an Apple forum to demand they be like their competitor? Other than the astros it’s an odd thing imho (especially when there is potential for great Apple and non Apple tech gadgetry posts — a much much better topic)
But it's not about you or me. It's about the hundreds of millions of users that think they know what they're doing but will end up getting tricked into shady app stores made to look exactly like the Apple App Store, with apps that look exactly like official apps but contains all kinds of malware. It's like saying "people should be free to choose which side of the road they want to drive on" and expect it to work. We already have that experiment, it's called Android, it's "free" and users can f*ck up their phones all they want. Check the malware ratio on Android vs iOS.
I'm not saying Android is bad*. I'm saying it doesn't align with what I think is important in a mobile device and that I chose something else for a very good reason.
* I do think it's bad, I'm just not saying it.
I think it's bad for reasons not relevant to this discussion.I also think Apple's stance on this partly is because they will get a lot of complaints and bad press about how bad the battery life of the iPhone is or how hot their phones get because users install apps that run constantly in the background and use non-open APIs. Think Tasker on the iPhone.
I understand sideloading is not like jailbreaking, but today Apple can refuse apps that use non-official APIs, for example. If sideloading was enabled Apple would lose that control. The overall experience might get better in the future because Apple will be forced to improve security, but it might also get worse because that security means less possibilities than what there currently is.
I also think that if Apple will be forced to enable sideloading in the EU, it will be enabled in the EU region only.
Edit: I just want to clarify that I think the competition between Android and iOS is essential, and that I don't think Android is all bad.
The user already has a choice. I made my decision as well, by picking Android as my primary smartphone. Why should you force Apple to become Android? Why do you want to eliminate choice? Let those who want a walled garden be Apple’s customers. Those who you said want something more flexible already have the platform of choice. You cannot claim that you want choice by eliminating the actual choice by forcing everything to be the same.
But it's not about you or me. It's about the hundreds of millions of users that think they know what they're doing but will end up getting tricked into shady app stores made to look exactly like the Apple App Store, with apps that look exactly like official apps but contains all kinds of malware. It's like saying "people should be free to choose which side of the road they want to drive on" and expect it to work. We already have that experiment, it's called Android, it's "free" and users can f*ck up their phones all they want. Check the malware ratio on Android vs iOS.
I'm not saying Android is bad*. I'm saying it doesn't align with what I think is important in a mobile device and that I chose something else for a very good reason.
* I do think it's bad, I'm just not saying it.
I also think Apple's stance on this partly is because they will get a lot of complaints and bad press about how bad the battery life of the iPhone is or how hot their phones get because users install apps that run constantly in the background and use non-open APIs. Think Tasker on the iPhone.
I understand sideloading is not like jailbreaking, but today Apple can refuse apps that use non-official APIs, for example. If sideloading was enabled Apple would lose that control. The overall experience might get better in the future because Apple will be forced to improve security, but it might also get worse because that security means less possibilities than what there currently is.
I also think that if Apple will be forced to enable sideloading in the EU, it will be enabled in the EU region only.
Edit: I just want to clarify that I think the competition between Android and iOS is essential, and that I don't think Android is all bad.
I’d be surprised if the EU goes that far. Imho much of this is just political posturing because big tech is in the news. Requiring Apple to open up the iOS platform would be, imho, a worrisome precedent.
Apple has competition in every space and in most spaces Apple is the smaller player. The EU or anywhere else can’t claim their consumers don’t have choices in spaces Apple occupies. But if the court is made up of some of the AntiApple posters from this forum, Apple will be forced to rename it iOSAndroid and be required to pay licensing fees to Google 😀
Tim Cook is just making up excuses as he goes along. Apple have many AASP's (Apple Authourised Service Providers) and to be one you have to follow and accept a whole host of polices and procedures that severly restrict what one is allowed to tell the outside world. Apple could do exactly the same with the app store, have AAASP's (Apple Authourised App Store Providers) which would have to comply with strict policy and procedures as set out by Apple.
In my opinion Apple will not do this because for one thing, they are unable to control what goes on in their own factories, employees using apple manufacturing facilities to make parts after working hours and sell them on the black market. If Apple cannot trust the management teams in their factories, they sure as hell are not going to be able to trust people running an app store.
Another thing that would be worrying to Apple is that there is alot of intellectual property involved with the app store and even though Apple wont admit it, I bet they are worried that a 3rd party would try and sell the app store IP to the Chinese, because lets face it, they are the copiers of the world, they copy everything, the app store would be no different.
In my opinion Apple will not do this because for one thing, they are unable to control what goes on in their own factories, employees using apple manufacturing facilities to make parts after working hours and sell them on the black market. If Apple cannot trust the management teams in their factories, they sure as hell are not going to be able to trust people running an app store.
Another thing that would be worrying to Apple is that there is alot of intellectual property involved with the app store and even though Apple wont admit it, I bet they are worried that a 3rd party would try and sell the app store IP to the Chinese, because lets face it, they are the copiers of the world, they copy everything, the app store would be no different.
They’ve stated a number of times, including by Craig F, that macOS will stay open for hobbiest and UNIX users.
I hope it’s true.
IF macOS becomes restricted like iOS (no terminal access, file system, etc) all devs would move to Linux. I know I would.
Actually, OS X/MacOS was the most secure OS with no issue or viruses or anti-virus needed way before App Store was a thing.
All that this fuss can be overcome by adding a hidden a option in the settings to allow side loading apps for those who know what they are doing. I paid for Air4 and would like to use the hardware I paid for to run apps Apple will not allow like an adblocker in browsers, a different rendering engine, running an emulator, or even running streaming service I subscribe to.
What is understandable is that we all know once Apple does that everyone will unlock side loading apps and will install all the pirated software which will destroy Apple's revenues but will also go further to take down all the 3rd party developers who making fine iOS apps because its profitable but once people can get it for free all the developers will shut down or take an extreme financial blow.
All that this fuss can be overcome by adding a hidden a option in the settings to allow side loading apps for those who know what they are doing. I paid for Air4 and would like to use the hardware I paid for to run apps Apple will not allow like an adblocker in browsers, a different rendering engine, running an emulator, or even running streaming service I subscribe to.
What is understandable is that we all know once Apple does that everyone will unlock side loading apps and will install all the pirated software which will destroy Apple's revenues but will also go further to take down all the 3rd party developers who making fine iOS apps because its profitable but once people can get it for free all the developers will shut down or take an extreme financial blow.
I know this has been said a thousand million times - but I genuinely wonder what Steve would do in this conversation. I miss his well thought out and implemented ideas on technology, user experience, and mixing what the customer wants, as well as aligning that with Apple's interests in making a profit.
I will install what ever apps I want from ever I want on my iPad.
Apple doesn’t control how I want to use my iPad, I do.
I will jail break my iPad to get more out of it.
Apple doesn’t control how I want to use my iPad, I do.
I will jail break my iPad to get more out of it.
how many times are you going to shill for android in this thread? everyone here knows that android exists. android is irrelevant to this discussion.
Steve Jobs was about a closed system.
Steve Wozniak was the opposite and wanted more freedom with an open system.
He created Apple 1 and Apple II and they were hailed as great, Apple III was more Job‘s vision of a closed system and though the technology wasn’t ready at the time, it was a disaster.
Wozniak left Apple not long after.
I can see that closed system in Apple’s iOS and them wanting that to be the “vision” for computers were Apple controls everything.
IT‘S NOT 1984, APPLE!!!
If this is Apple’s vision of computers via the iPad, where Apple CONTROLS everything, they can go shove it!
Microsoft has every opportunity to pounce on Apple’s iOS digital prison running the iPad “computer replacement” with a ‘1984’ ad like they did once again.
If this is Apple’s vision of computers via the iPad, where Apple CONTROLS everything, they can go shove it!
Microsoft has every opportunity to pounce on Apple’s iOS digital prison running the iPad “computer replacement” with a ‘1984’ ad like they did once again.