Apple CEO Tim Cook to Deliver Commencement Address at Gallaudet University

[thadoggfather]

Then it's a good thing the invitation is for Gallaudet University.

Bit semantical ya?

Would you say that a speech is 'read' or 'listened' to, even in the context of a deaf audience? I would assume 'listened to the speech' is probably the colloquial way of summarizing it even if not literally true.

... either way, that's removed from the point I was trying to make, that perhaps maybe most deaf students at that university (or non deaf students at a different university equally) DON'T have a strong desire to want to hear (or interpret / read) Tim's words on their big day of accomplishments, or a CODA plug.

It is cool though to fulfill a student's request, can't deny that, but also a bit opportunist and patronizing on top of it all in my view if that's his core message which wouldn't seem to be out of character.

To each his/her own.

 

[thadoggfather]

Then it's a good thing the invitation is for Gallaudet University.



Then please explain: why do feel qualified to make a conclusion for students of Gallaudet -- or any University? Have the actual students complained about his accepting the invitation? Have students at past commencement speeches by Tim Cook ranted and raved about his speeches? Anything? Facts are stubborn things; a lack of facts is equally stubborn.

Got any facts to back up your supposition? Anything?

You’re emotionally charged for random reasons so that’s my cue to bow out

My original statement really has nothing to do with a specific university or it’s specific students. It was more broad in nature then you chose to go down the path of honing in on identity

 

[DelayedGratificationGene]

It seems those dismissed from their careers at Apple always take it out on Tim Cook. I would suggest they focus on themselves more, try and figure out their shortcomings and do better if and when the next opportunity presents itself.

 

[drinkingtea]

I love that Tim chose Gallaudet. I'm glad the cast has shown a spotlight on the university. We need more universities dedicated to ASL students!

 

[Naraxus]

I'd honestly love to be there to see this. I wonder if Tim's practicing ASL in advance for the event. My complaints about Cook aside this is a wonderful thing for him to do. Kudos to him for taking the time to do it

 

[citysnaps]

It seems those dismissed from their careers at Apple always take it out on Tim Cook. I would suggest they focus on themselves more, try and figure out their shortcomings and do better if and when the next opportunity presents itself.

I think that would be a good course, if indeed true.

My theory is different. I believe most haven't yet reached adulthood. I suspect most are people in junior high, or high school, who haven't yet reached a level of maturity.

I guess it could be the result of both, though.

 

[MBAir2010]

Ew.

Imagine having to listen to this guy, on your special day of all days.

I would show him my MacBook Air 2010 running MOJAVE!
-in his face!

 

[I7guy]

Ew.

Imagine having to listen to this guy, on your special day of all days.

Agreed. The students are no doubt exhausted from years of grueling studies and having Mr. Cook as their commencement speaker will give them the much needed time to catch up on their sleep.

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... either way, that's removed from the point I was trying to make, that perhaps maybe most deaf students at that university (or non deaf students at a different university equally) DON'T have a strong desire to want to hear (or interpret / read) Tim's words on their big day of accomplishments, or a CODA plug.

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Hmmm. Glass half empty crew here. For all y’all know the students are excited to hear the words of someone who actually accomplished something.

 

[ackmondual]

I'm usually cynical because his speeches are anodyne, but in this case I think it's quite nice because he's speaking at the student's request and he has something in particular to speak about with Apple having produced CODA. Hopefully he gives a good speech and maybe even learns to sign for part of it.

I'd like to think he'd be more subtle than that. Instead, he'll just put in a plug for Apple TV+ instead

 

[BootsWalking]

Hmmm. Glass half empty crew here. For all y’all know the students are excited to hear the words of someone who actually accomplished something.

Mr Cook accomplishments don't necessarily make him an entertaining, engaging, or even an enlightening commencement speaker.

 

[msackey]

This is awesome! I only have heard from a number of accessibility centers that iOS is a lot more friendly to differently abled users than Android is, and that evaluation was more than 5 years ago.

I don't have too much experience with the accessibility features on iOS but I do use a number of them including the reader and reduction of white balance. Those features are pretty neat!

Hopefully Apple continues to be a top leader in providing better accessible features.

 

[msackey]

"Gallaudet says it is the only university in the world where Deaf and hard of hearing students live and learn bilingually in American Sign Language and English."

About NTID | National Technical Institute for the Deaf | RIT

www.rit.edu

Looks like NTID is part of RIT and the whole of RIT is not bilingual. So the statement in the original article still stands.

I've only had 1 experience in class with a deaf student and this was at a university where he and I graduated in the same major and the university was also not bilingual. Because the university could accommodate that deaf student didn't mean the university was bilingual. It wasn't and still isn't.

 

[tridley68]

I skipping that day.

 

[I7guy]

Mr Cook accomplishments don't necessarily make him an entertaining, engaging, or even an enlightening commencement speaker.

My point was that none of that matters if the graduates in the student body wants to hear him speak. Your opinion of Mr. Cooks speaking qualifications doesn’t hold water for someone else.

 

[FloatingBones]

You’re emotionally charged for random reasons so that’s my cue to bow out

Incorrect. I'm just curious if you have any facts to back up your claim that "perhaps maybe most deaf students at that university DON'T have a strong desire to want to hear Tim's words on their big day of accomplishments, or a CODA plug".

If you have actual facts to back up your story, then provide them. If you have no facts to back up your narrative, then have the courage to say that. Since you provided no data, our conclusion is that you have no data to back up your narrative.

My original statement really has nothing to do with a specific university or it’s specific students.

Your original opinion. But you have no facts whatsoever to back up your opinion. Not tremendously valuable.

so that’s my cue to bow out

Good! Next time, see if there are facts to support your opinion. Postulating that "most students" would be unhappy with commencement a talk from TC is rather silly. Please do better.

 

[BootsWalking]

My point t was that none of that matters if the student body wants to hear him speak. Your opinion of Mr. Cooks speaking g qualifications doesn’t hold water for someone else.

A single student requested that he speak. And neither of our opinions hold water but nonetheless I gave my opinion and you gave yours.

 

[everlast3434]

He looks like my mother-in-law in that photo...

I was just scrolling to post something similar LOL

 

[thadoggfather]

Incorrect. I'm just curious if you have any facts to back up your claim that "perhaps maybe most deaf students at that university DON'T have a strong desire to want to hear Tim's words on their big day of accomplishments, or a CODA plug".

If you have actual facts to back up your story, then provide them. If you have no facts to back up your narrative, then have the courage to say that. Since you provided no data, our conclusion is that you have no data to back up your narrative.


Your original opinion. But you have no facts whatsoever to back up your opinion. Not tremendously valuable.



Good! Next time, see if there are facts to support your opinion. Postulating that "most students" would be unhappy with commencement a talk from TC is rather silly. Please do better.

Your idea of “do better” is “have a different opinion”

You’re fun

 

[I7guy]

A single student requested that he speak. And neither of our opinions hold water but nonetheless I gave my opinion and you gave yours.

True Your opinion is that Tim Cook’s accomplishments don’t make him a good speaker (sic). My opinion, is that (he is a visionary and )students want to hear him speak.

 

[BeefCake 15]

You must really hate your mother-in-law to call her Tim Cook 🤣

Or maybe loves her...we'll never know how bad it is LOL

 

[swingerofbirch]

I'd like to think he'd be more subtle than that. Instead, he'll just put in a plug for Apple TV+ instead

Do you think it would be rude for him to sign? Because it would look like corporate spin pushing the movie? Or that it's appropriating? Generally people appreciate when you try to use their language. I assume it's the same with signing.

 

[FloatingBones]

Your idea of “do better” is “have a different opinion”

You're welcome to have an opinion. But, if you have an opinion that "perhaps maybe most deaf students at that university DON'T have a strong desire to want to hear Tim's words on their big day of accomplishments, or a CODA plug", the onus is on you to provide facts to back up that opinion.

If you have actual facts to back up your story, then provide them. If you have no facts to back up your narrative, then have the courage to say that. Since you provided no data, our conclusion is that you have no data to back up your narrative.

"Doing better" means making sure that your opinion is supported by facts. You're welcome to opine, but make sure it gybes with reality. HTH.

 

[thadoggfather]

You're welcome to have an opinion. But, if you have an opinion that "perhaps maybe most deaf students at that university DON'T have a strong desire to want to hear Tim's words on their big day of accomplishments, or a CODA plug", the onus is on you to provide facts to back up that opinion.

If you have actual facts to back up your story, then provide them. If you have no facts to back up your narrative, then have the courage to say that. Since you provided no data, our conclusion is that you have no data to back up your narrative.

"Doing better" means making sure that your opinion is supported by facts. You're welcome to opine, but make sure it gybes with reality. HTH.

But your ask is patently absurd, and you know that - or should know that, so you are the 'victor' in this rigged argument.

I have neither the time nor will even if I had the time to fly out there and ask students in passing how they feel about TC... Nor do I care if you feel my opinion is invalid or not supported by facts. It's an opinion, I concede it's not supported by absurd supportive evidence, over a rather frivolous matter in the first place, and you're equally entitled to your opinion of my opinion and your own opinion of the article / subject, and I also concede you need zero evidence upon which to base your opinion, frivolous or otherwise those are your thoughts to own. That's...um... fine?

TC is (imo) an uncool bozo with the badge of honor of mass manufacturing disposable products (weird for an eco friendly company that nothing is repairable and AirPods get tossed when they've expired past their shelf life, but anyways) while lecturing others about what is virtuous, and looks like the grandpa in Up. I can't imagine that's popular with the kids these days. And nice products from the company he runs, won't change my opinion of that. I can't believe that's really a stretch of an opinion to have, that others might not think he's that cool or relevant either in their personal lives, etc. - because again, IMO, he isn't. He's just an executive like all the others. SJ was a tough act to follow, but even subpar without that pre-condition.

 

[I7guy]

But your ask is patently absurd, and you know that - or should know that, so you are the 'victor' in this rigged argument.

I have neither the time nor will even if I had the time to fly out there and ask students in passing how they feel about TC... Nor do I care if you feel my opinion is invalid or not supported by facts. It's an opinion, I concede it's not supported by absurd supportive evidence, over a rather frivolous matter in the first place, and you're equally entitled to your opinion of my opinion and your own opinion of the article / subject, and I also concede you need zero evidence upon which to base your opinion, frivolous or otherwise those are your thoughts to own. That's...um... fine?

TC is (imo) an uncool bozo with the badge of honor of mass manufacturing disposable products (weird for an eco friendly company that nothing is repairable and AirPods get tossed when they've expired past their shelf life, but anyways) while lecturing others about what is virtuous, and looks like the grandpa in Up. I can't imagine that's popular with the kids these days. And nice products from the company he runs, won't change my opinion of that. I can't believe that's really a stretch of an opinion to have, that others might not think he's that cool or relevant either in their personal lives, etc. - because again, IMO, he isn't. He's just an executive like all the others. SJ was a tough act to follow, but even subpar without that pre-condition.

Tim Cook has given commencement speeches at Stanford and MIT. Who has criticized Mr. Cook and has given commencement speeches at MIT? So there’s that. But I understand your opinion is that you can’t comprehend why people might want to hear Tim Cook speak. Horses for courses.

His uncoolness was is the very reason people want to hear him speak, imo. And yes apple is not only eco-friendly but going carbon neutral as well. Rather than providing half a repair to small wearables as the competition apple will just recycle it. All of their products are recycleable. (I’ll wager many criticise apple for recycle rather than repairing and then throw their plastics, cardboard and newspapers out in the trash. But I digress)

 

[darngooddesign]

Will he charge all attendees a 30% commission on their lifetime earnings?

That would be epic.