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I was about to argue this so hard, but after reading a few more of your posts, I realized you were being facetious throughout this entire thread. You actually got a laugh out of me.
I accept your surrender.
 
If you are trying to give credit to Trump for job, I'd love to know what has transpired to create those jobs?
he hasn't passed any legislation in that regard. And though he has signed a lot of EOs. I'm not familiar with any that could be credited with spurring job growth.
So help me out cupcake. Is it just his magnetic personality?

Like I said, this is called "moving the goalpost", cupcake.

You inferred there were no new jobs created since Trump's election. I corrected you on that false statement as there have been hundreds of thousands of new jobs created since he took office on January 21, 2017. Those are just the facts. You were wrong.
 
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I accuse them of lacking morality, ethics and integrity. I criticise the globalists for selling sewer for water. And if the public can't see the difference there must be reasons. I think you must have misunderstood me.
That's exactly my point. You accuse a stereotype that you apply to individuals that you limit to your stereotype. You assume bad motives, so you accuse them of bad motivation. It's all very circular.
 
That's exactly my point. You accuse a stereotype that you apply to individuals that you limit to your stereotype. You assume bad motives, so you accuse them of bad motivation. It's all very circular.

Ok understood. So you assume the Globalists have good motives, ok with me but I don't. I have more than enough evidence that they don't. I'm fine with people being religious about their support to a minuscule elite that rapes the world, its resources and its people.

It's not an assumption that they run a criminal racket, starting with the privately owned Federal Reserve and running through every major sector in society.

To assume they do this based on good motivation is just not very logical to me. But I do respect it is to you.
 
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Ok understood. So you assume the Globalists have good motives, ok with me but I don't. I have more than enough evidence that they don't. I'm fine with people being religious about their support to a minuscule elite that rapes the world, its resources and its people.

It's not an assumption that they run a criminal racket, starting with the privately owned Federal Reserve and running through every major sector in society.

To assume they do this based on good motivation is just not very logical to me. But I do respect it is to you.
No. I don't assume "they" have good or bad motives, because I don't believe in your stereotype. I understand that globalism and individuals that you call globalists are different things.

I understand that there are corrupt individuals that support globalism. I also understand that there are corrupt individuals that support nationalism (like our current president). Just like there are corrupt individuals in practically every major movement.

The trap that you fall into is creating a stereotype of the movement or belief based on the actions of the corrupt individuals (or actions that you perceive to be corrupt) that make up a small part of that movement or hang on to its fringe.

To get back to the original point, supporting renewable energy and tolerance does not make you corrupt.
 
It won't help you much to argue that not every "globalist" (e.g all the confused progressive liberal youngsters at every campus, or the masses of people that get their entire perception of reality from the MSM, fully owned by the elite) have bad motives. That is also not what I'm saying and you are smart enough to understand that. So, I call a strawman on that.

Obviously, I'm talking here of the very small elite that will actually sit at the top of the power structures globalism is designed to create. We already have an example in the global economy, where merchant bankers and multi-national corporations dominate the entire structure, often they are the same. It's an incredible centralisation of power to a very limited circle of people. There is no use even discussing who benefits from this, we all know that.

Here are some infographics to illustrate centralised power within economics:
What the globalist elite attempts to do is more of the same in all sectors and the ultimate stated goal is to finally achieve the same within global political governance. Their beloved New World Order, where war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength.

That is what the global warming agenda is for this elite. A way to shift power from nations and individuals to themselves. Now, let's discuss the morality, ethics and integrity of these elite people.

They are in the position to easily eradicate poverty, lack of housing, lack of clean water, education etc. etc. for all people in the world if they wanted. But no, they want more power more money and above all, more control for themselves.

So, they invented the fairy tale of man made climate change (Problem!) which freak the ignorant masses out (Reaction! do something, save us!) and come up with a taxation racket (Solution!)

They already have more than enough private resources to fund their global warming racket several times over if the wanted. What actually is their goal is to create yet another power structure for centralised power and global control. Then to have the sheep pay themselves for their prison is just icing on the cake, chutzpah.

What kind of person would act in such a systematic way to gain control over everything at the expense of the well being of more than 99% of the population in the world? Someone that is completely devoid of any sense of emphaty. In other world a psychopath. And that is what these globalist elites are, psychopaths.

This is the kind of persons the liberal progressive, safe space, people support, to the point of assaulting ordinary citizens with bike locks. Problem is they don't understand that. Many of them are educated, even highly educated and still they can't even fathom that what is explained above can be true.

"This is one of the things I find funny about the radical Left protests on campus.... You want to have it both ways. You want to be a fledgling member of the elite and a champion of the underprivileged. So, how narcissistic can you get? You want to have all the benefits of having all of the benefits, and you want to have all the benefits of having none of the benefits, because just having all the benefits isn't enough for you."

— Jordon Peterson, University of Toronto Psychology Professor


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So, they invented the fairy tale of man made climate change
Nothing else that you said can get past this statement. You keep coming back to this idea without any evidence other than the belief in a conspiracy. On one side you have the massively wealthy fossil fuel interests that have shown over and over again their willingness and ability to corrupt governments.

But you want to believe them over some vague conspiracy to promote renewable energy. That's not rational. Especially when the solution to the problem that you believe is a fairy tale is good on its own! A move to renewable energy is good for the U.S. It's good for the planet. It's good for individuals across the globe. You seem to think you are fighting something, but what are you fighting for?
 
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Personally, I think what Trump did may be the last hurrah for coal in the USA. Over the next 30 years, roof-mounted solar panels on every residence will be dirt cheap, and by then far safer forms of nuclear power--especially the liquid fluoride thorium reactor (LFTR)--will start its spread of usage around the world.

What will happen is all those solar panels on the top of every house will generate power in a distributed fashion for big power storage sites (banks of chemical batteries, flywheel storage, etc.), which will release the power back to the grid during night time hours.

Mind you, how local utilities deal with all that distributed power generation is going to be interesting indeed. I still remember when Pacific Gas and Electric--when they imposed a price increase in the spring of 1982--angered one customer who had just about solar powered everything at a home in Cameron Park, CA by increasing the bill from US$13 per month to US$28 per month, equivalent to $33 per month to $72 per month in current dollar value. Needless to say, it caused PG&E to be read the riot act by way too many customers. And public utilities are still getting into fights with any customer who installs rooftop solar power panels, like the big fight between several Las Vegas, NV casinos that installed large solar systems and NV Energy.
 
But you want to believe them over some vague conspiracy to promote renewable energy. That's not rational. Especially when the solution to the problem that you believe is a fairy tale is good on its own! A move to renewable energy is good for the U.S. It's good for the planet. It's good for individuals across the globe. You seem to think you are fighting something, but what are you fighting for?

I'm all for renewable clean energy, clean water, clean food (Monsanto, ever heard of that? They are going into Africa now. With the effect that a global corporation with their patented, cancerogenic DNA-manipulated seeds, along with their cancerogenic "weed killer" Roundup, destroy the possibility for ordinary people to grow healthy food independent of global corporatism, as well as destroying their health and economy along the way) clean air and all the good things that you fight for.

You want free clean energy? Nicolai Tesla had that to offer, but the globalists, represented by JP Morgan and his tribesmen destroyed him and his research. Why?, he was a threat since they wanted to make money on their own ideas and making money on free energy is not possible.

I'm fighting for freedom for the individual from the control of an unelected psychopath elite that wrecks havoc in every conceivable aspect of society, globally.

I'm fighting for you, my friend.
 
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Here is an newly released interview that explain how the economic system in the world actually works.

This is the tool the very small elite at the top use to control the world. They sell "globalism" as candy through their Ministry of Truth, i.e. the MSM. Thus ordinary citizens at the bottom of society buys it and enthusiastically support it out of ignorant sentiment.

 
I'm all for renewable clean energy, clean water, clean food
So, you are all for the results of mitigating climate change. But you prefer to promote conspiracy theories about climate change, so we don't work towards the things that you are all for. I'm not sure I understand that logic.
 
So, you are all for the results of mitigating climate change. But you prefer to promote conspiracy theories about climate change, so we don't work towards the things that you are all for. I'm not sure I understand that logic.

Apart from the misquotes, you are not alone in not understanding logic. I have discussed the rationale for my position above and will not repeat it again. I wish you a pleasant summer-solstice.
 
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Ah Tim - What's right for our planet: a few behemoth, oversized arrogant monopolists (Facebook, Google, Apple, Amazon) that rule the markets, kill entrpreneurial startups, and tell us how to behave.
Cook - always moralising others - stop depleting the planet yourself using rare minerals and metals and glued/unrepairable designs.
We're not exactly imbeciles so it occurred to us that in the last 10 years, you haven't told us anything we didn't know already.
Why not shut up and enjoy Carpool Karaoke (if that's your enjoyment/about "spoiling the planet"..)
 
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I'm so proud that we finally have a president that puts America first. Global warming is simply one of the biggest hoaxes of all time.

Based on what?
The science tells us AGW is indeed real.

America is part of planet Earth. We have to put Earth first (in the sense of Earth being a healthy planet for humans to live on), otherwise we've got nothing to stand on.
 
The science tells us AGW is indeed real.
The same science that told us we should be in an ice age right now. Try again.

BTW, unless someone has been around the last 4.5 billion years, NOBODY can prove anything about planet earth. Mankind is generally ignorant. Taking the word of a consensus formulated by a bunch of idiots sitting around a table thinking they know everything is stupid beyond comprehension.
 
Ahhh. The old somebody was wrong about something, so don't believe anything excuse. :rolleyes:
Not an excuse. When they are wrong about one thing they will be wrong about another. The scientific community eventually ALWAYS ends up being wrong about EVERYTHING. That's why consensus is a lousy way to conduct "science".
 
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