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Netflix "found the solution" by being a big enough companies to begin with, so much so that they could pressure Apple to alter their terms of service so that Netflix was exempt from the rule of having to offer in-app sign-up. They had so much power that Apple had to accept an estimated $285 million dollar loss in annual revenue so as not to lose the Netflix app from the store.

How does sound reasonable to you?
And they also benefit in that they compete with Apple. Same with Spotify. Apple’s reader category is a gerrymandered policy created to benefit companies Apple competes with. But if you don’t compete with Apple you’re basically SOL.
 
Even if only .1% of those users buys my app, I just made $700k. Why is that a bad thing? A customer gets a desired app for almost nothing, developer/content provider makes a boatload of money and Apple shareholders make a bunch too. Who cares if Apple's getting 70%?? Before the opportunity to make 30%, most developers were making 100% of almost nothing selling smartphone apps.

What's the problem here?

And just imagine if you sold .2% of those buyers, you gross over one million. Pretty sweet if you ask me! Hell, if you come up with a killer app and sell it for $4.99, you will have a hefty profit!

Is about time to let Apple run against the Wall, seems like they continue acting like *******:
Curious, how did magazine subscriptions do it back in the day or Columbia House? Sincere question.
 
Is about time to let Apple run against the Wall, seems like they continue acting like *******:

not surprised. Apple is also the only service I ever used (TV+) that actually cancels their service immediately DURING a trial instead of letting you use it until the end of the trial. I still can’t believe that is even legal.
 
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How come no one from Microsoft?

I meant they were the embodiment of installing their own software and locking out others for decades?
So they have changed significantly since Bulmer left.
They needed to.

But you still have to wonder.

I don't entirely get this court case.
It's not like you buy an iPhone WITHOUT knowing Apple control the store, hardware and software.
If you don't like that, don't buy it. Simple. Your choice.

And if enough people didn't buy the products, they would change or go under.

That says most people are happy with the way Apple run it.

Same for Facebook, Google and Amazon.

You'd think the world has a enough REAL problems people could be spending time on...
You dont understand what the problem is here. People have nothing to do with it this. Apple has a big market share with its phones and its App Store. And if you, as a developer, want access to this big market, you have to pay a hefty 30% tax on each of your sales in the app store. If Apple one day decided to rise those 30% to lets say, 70% - there would be nothing that you could do. You either accept it or lose access to the big market that is App Store. This has been long time coming and i hope Apple is forced to either cancel this policy, or lower the fee it gets.
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What does apple monopolize?
Apple and Google have a duopoly over app stores. You either accept their extortionist terms, or youre out. And that is also why there are Anti-Trust laws around the world.
 
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You dont understand what the problem is here. People have nothing to do with it this. Apple has a big market share with its phones and its App Store. And if you, as a developer, want access to this big market, you have to pay a hefty 30% tax on each of your sales in the app store. If Apple one day decided to rise those 30% to lets say, 70% - there would be nothing that you could do. You either accept it or lose access to the big market that is App Store. This has been long time coming and i hope Apple is forced to either cancel this policy, or lower the fee it gets.
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Apple and Google have a duopoly over app stores. You either accept their extortionist terms, or youre out. And that is also why there are Anti-Trust laws around the world.
Well, the main issue is, with Apple there is only one way for an App to get on the users phone, and that’s their App Store. With Android you can also install a APK from elsewhere. That’s clearly a monopoly on the Apple side.
 
Im confused. I thought we are a western capitalist society. Isnt the Best comes out on top, literally the definition of capitalism. If you are behind, step up your game...
 
100% they need to be broken up and regulated. Apple is now wato too big and too much influence over the competitors, and they monopolize their power to stifle competition and the results are that it keeps innovation down.
 
Your situation isn't everyone's situation though. Yes, 30% seems more reasonable if you're starting from scratch and don't want to set up all of that stuff yourself, but what about the businesses that already do business outside of the app store, that have their own marketing and payment processing, run their own servers, operate in different markets, etc? They may not have 30% in their margins to spare for a services bundle that they largely don't need.

If all you want is to be listed in the app store (because there's no other way onto people's phones) and some form of payment processing (because Apple doesn't let you use your own) for, say, a $5/month service that's runs on your own servers, then it absolutely is highway robbery.
Somehow this is already been figured out. This is not 2007. Netflix, Amazon, Uber to name a few. How much in IAP do they pay Apple? $0 maybe?
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100% they need to be broken up and regulated. Apple is now wato too big and too much influence over the competitors, and they monopolize their power to stifle competition and the results are that it keeps innovation down.
So market share only matters when it comes to android vs ios and which operating system dominates? When it comes to breaking Apple up, which is not going to be done imo, market share is thrown completely out of the window. Not to mention the false conclusion of stifling the competition and keeping innovation down.
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...Apple and Google have a duopoly over app stores. You either accept their extortionist terms, or youre out. And that is also why there are Anti-Trust laws around the world.
Nobody is stopping anybody else from designing a smartphone, getting it built and creating an alternate path for development and distribution to apps. Your definition of a monopoly hasn't been legally applied to either apple or google at this point, no matter who is asking questions. And I'm with Apple and google on this one. (not to say in the future things might change)
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not surprised. Apple is also the only service I ever used (TV+) that actually cancels their service immediately DURING a trial instead of letting you use it until the end of the trial. I still can’t believe that is even legal.
Why shouldn't this be legal and what is stopping one from cancelling their service on the last day?
 
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Somehow this is already been figured out. This is not 2007. Netflix, Amazon, Uber to name a few. How much in IAP do they pay Apple? $0 maybe?

If you had just read one more page you'd have seen that I already covered this.

Netflix "found the solution" by being a big enough companies to begin with, so much so that they could pressure Apple to alter their terms of service so that Netflix was exempt from the rule of having to offer in-app sign-up. They had so much power that Apple had to accept an estimated $285 million dollar loss in annual revenue so as not to lose the Netflix app from the store.

"Be Netflix or Amazon" isn't a solution. A company shouldn't have to be makert-dominating force to get reasonable terms.
 
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If you had just read one more page you'd have seen that I already covered this.
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You didn't "cover it" in the post I quoted.
Some of it, yes, but there's no way they're running it to break even. Tim doesn't do things that don't make a healthy profit.
And imo, this is flat out incorrect. $29 battery replacements you think Apple made a healthy profit, instead of the "planned obsolescence profits before customers" meme...forcing customers to upgrade their phones?
 
You didn't "cover it" in the post I quoted.
That's why I said "If you have just read one more page" and not "If you had just re-read the post you quoted".

And imo, this is flat out incorrect. $29 battery replacements you think Apple made a healthy profit, instead of the "planned obsolescence profits before customers" meme...forcing customers to upgrade their phones?

That wasn't exactly a regular product or service, it was as a response to a monumental ****up (similar to their extended repair programs for the various MBP issues), and it was definitely cheaper than losing a lot of pissed off customers. But I take your point.
 
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Highway robbery? At 30%? Well the government takes up to 48% of my income in tax plus charges me additional 10% tax of goods and services and doesn’t provide me with any alternative by default.....
What a silly reply. You don't provide your own roads, police and other public services do you?
 
Some of it, yes, but there's no way they're running it to break even. Tim doesn't do things that don't make a healthy profit.

Yep, just like any CEO of a for-profit company worth their salt.
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What a silly reply. You don't provide your own roads, police and other public services do you?

And even if Apple allowed apps to be downloaded to iPhones/iPads outside of the App Store, what average developer would be able to on their own provide the level of exposure and services that the App Store provides them...and for less money? So probably not so silly an analogy after all.
 
I agree that a 30% fee is quite a lot. 20% would be enough. But do not forget that if payments will go through the developers of the game then their payment services may be hacked and your card details will be on the Internet. Also, an unscrupulous developer may not specifically cancel your auto debit for subscription and will pull your money.
 
That's why I said "If you have just read one more page" and not "If you had just re-read the post you quoted".
Right and that's why I said, you're original post should have been edited.
That wasn't exactly a regular product or service, it was as a response to a monumental ****up (similar to their extended repair programs for the various MBP issues), and it was definitely cheaper than losing a lot of pissed off customers. But I take your point.
That's the problem with general statements, that they can almost always be proved incorrect. (I learned the hard way, not to post general statements)
 
Right and that's why I said, you're original post should have been edited.

Except you didn't say anything about editing. You said "You didn't "cover it" in the post I quoted."

That's the problem with general statements, that they can almost always be proved incorrect. (I learned the hard way, not to post general statements)
Meh, as a general statement it still holds true. If you look hard enough you can find exceptions for anything.
 
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Narrator: the subcommittee had no idea what it was doing.
Congressman, pointing to electronic device: "Mr Cook, do you think it's ok that I have to plug this in to charge every 20 minutes or it goes dead? Can't Apple make a battr'y that lasts a month but you choose not to in order to gouge your customers on battr'y fees??"
Tim Cook: "Congressman, that's a refrigerator. We don't manufacture those."
 
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Is about time to let Apple run against the Wall, seems like they continue acting like *******:
That’s slimy... ugh.
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And just imagine if you sold .2% of those buyers, you gross over one million. Pretty sweet if you ask me! Hell, if you come up with a killer app and sell it for $4.99, you will have a hefty profit!


Curious, how did magazine subscriptions do it back in the day or Columbia House? Sincere question.
It doesn’t matter how someone else did it, rejecting an app because the company doesn’t want to auto charge once a subscription is up sleazy AF.
 
Except you didn't say anything about editing. You said "You didn't "cover it" in the post I quoted."


Meh, as a general statement it still holds true. If you look hard enough you can find exceptions for anything.
I disagree. As a general statement you can’t prove it. It’s only an opinion.
 
That’s slimy... ugh.
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It doesn’t matter how someone else did it, rejecting an app because the company doesn’t want to auto charge once a subscription is up sleazy AF.
Seems the developer knew the rules and decided to go head to head with Apple when they broke the rules. And then air their dirty laundry in a public forum. Yep, seems like sleazy behavior to me. But that doesn't mean Apple will have the corporate heads handed to them. :apple:
 
Nitpick: only sidewalks in cities are paid for by taxes. Most sidewalks are private property that is accessible to the public via an easement. Go ask homeowners in places that snow about shoveling sidewalks.



Roads largely don't come from income taxes, they're largely from fuel excise taxes and vehicle registration fees. So logically, people who drive more miles or drive heavy trucks pay more. It's more equitable than income taxes, which would equate to rich people paying more for roads.
I have no idea if sidewalk construction and maintenance costs are paid for by home owners in your country, but here in Australia, they are all paid for by taxes, and the land they are on is government owned. I don't think your shovelling snow argument necessarily equates to ownership.

Similarly, I don't know the fuel excises and rego costs in your country (I'm guessing USA), but here in Australia the fuel tax is much higher than in the US, and probably the rego too, and yet they only contribute a fraction of the costs of roads. I would be amazed if they entirely pay for roads anywhere else in the world either, but merely contribute towards the cost. Road construction and maintenance costs are HUGE, I don't think you have your figures even remotely close to correct.
 
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