Apple Chip Manufacturing in U.S. to Expand Following New Partnership

environmental, one of the largest hurdles to manufacturing in the US is there are a lot of materials we use to product items that cannot be worked with here. Instead of banning it, they should allow it and let the companies assume the risks and liabilities with using it and hold them liable should they make a mess.
OK. But there would need to be ironclad assurances that the manufacturers would actually do any and all cleanup required. A liability fund, at least. Too many companies just leave town when something bad happens and the people and government are left to pick up the pieces. Palestine, OH is a good example.
 
It would help even more if a generation of kids decided to study manufacturing engineering, or even just learn a technical trade, instead of running up a huge student loan debt for an ethnic studies (et.al.) degree.

A huge part of the problem is that we raised what, 2 or 3 generations of kids?, with the impression that trade work isn't "decent" work. We all raised our kids telling them they should work better jobs than we did - ignoring that someone still has to do our jobs when we can't anymore.

I suppose immigration can solve the manual labor end of things, but more skilled workers will be increasingly harder to come by. Alas, these are issues all of our own making. I hope the next generations of Americans are more practical and forward thinking than us and our parents.
 
I'll take the testimony of multi-trillion dollar tech company's confidence in Intel 18A over yours.

Their testimony doesn't change the fact that Intel 18A hasn't began mass production. It's scheduled for next year, sure, but Intel doesn't have the best track record with keeping to their timelines. Remind me, how long was their 10nm delayed?

Don't get me wrong, I hope Intel comes back in 2025 and comes back swinging. But I'm not holding my breath.
 
I still predict things will really slow after 2nm chips

maybe they will get to 1.6.

then its just about more cores.
 
Their testimony doesn't change the fact that Intel 18A hasn't began mass production. It's scheduled for next year, sure, but Intel doesn't have the best track record with keeping to their timelines. Remind me, how long was their 10nm delayed?

Don't get me wrong, I hope Intel comes back in 2025 and comes back swinging. But I'm not holding my breath.




PDK 1.0 (process development kit) of Intel 18A already sent to all foundry partners, and yield is healthy (0.4 d0 defect density).

Everything is going smooth as butter for mass production.
 
The quoted article seems to be making the opposite point. It says it's using a relatively small fraction of water and recycling most of it, after a large initial intake.

I don't quite understand why they put these in the deserts either, or how they plan to get the water, but it seems they're managing pretty well.

Maybe it's sand?! Silicon is made from sand and Arizona has lots of it. ;)
 
sure they will but if more US citizens are working that means more money to buy things and that is a great thing
Forcing or persuading megacorps to give up some 20% to 50% of their profit for the greater good of the next generations would be a good start. Basically, hammer their greed.
There are hundreds of chips and other components making up an iphone. Making one in the US won’t move the geopolitical risks needle much.
Let’s do it one step at a time. Besides we merely bring back what we sold out to overseas countries that is semiconductor manufacturing.
environmental, one of the largest hurdles to manufacturing in the US is there are a lot of materials we use to product items that cannot be worked with here. Instead of banning it, they should allow it and let the companies assume the risks and liabilities with using it and hold them liable should they make a mess.
Nah. Terrible idea. Environmental regulation exists for a reason, and many will go against it if rolling back means their life is threatened. Instead, we should introduce both incentives and heavy punishment so companies at least can slowly start to experiment with producing those materials and whatnot here while still giving citizens clean water and fresh air.
It would help even more if a generation of kids decided to study manufacturing engineering, or even just learn a technical trade, instead of running up a huge student loan debt for an ethnic studies (et.al.) degree.
Yeah instead of flocking to the easiest course that can earn the most money, kids should probably study more diverse subjects like engineering and science, and contribute to that field. And with that, migrants with similar backgrounds can be slowed down too because domestic demands are met.
 
Nah. Terrible idea. Environmental regulation exists for a reason, and many will go against it if rolling back means their life is threatened. Instead, we should introduce both incentives and heavy punishment so companies at least can slowly start to experiment with producing those materials and whatnot here while still giving citizens clean water and fresh air.
Cite your sources, I know many people that want to increase manufacturing in the US. Rolling back regulations does not automatically mean the environment would be destroyed. There are ways to ensure environmental protections without effectively banning working with certain materials. We used to manufacture lead-based items in this country but we cannot now because of regulations, there are many other examples of manufacturing items that are similar to this. If we follow your example we will eventually get to the point where we do not make anything here and that will be an economic disaster.
 
If we follow your example we will eventually get to the point where we do not make anything here and that will be an economic disaster.
By that logic we should reintroduce asbestos as home building material also. Good performance but with deadly health risks. Maybe use mercury more widely too. And many other more harmful chemicals that we abandoned in the past.
 
By that logic we should reintroduce asbestos as home building material also. Good performance but with deadly health risks. Maybe use mercury more widely too. And many other more harmful chemicals that we abandoned in the past.
Now you’re just being silly, I’ve no need to debate this topic because I have manufacturing data that proves my point. All you have is conjecture.

Edit: Oh and, we have not stopped using mercury.
 
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Cite your sources, I know many people that want to increase manufacturing in the US. Rolling back regulations does not automatically mean the environment would be destroyed. There are ways to ensure environmental protections without effectively banning working with certain materials. We used to manufacture lead-based items in this country but we cannot now because of regulations, there are many other examples of manufacturing items that are similar to this. If we follow your example we will eventually get to the point where we do not make anything here and that will be an economic disaster.
As long as the manufacturers clean up their messes as soon as they are made, I can agree somewhat. But history shows that, given the opportunity, they will simply leave town. So it's cheaper to pollute a 3rd world country and import the finished product.
 
Now you’re just being silly, I’ve no need to debate this topic because I have manufacturing data that proves my point. All you have is conjecture.

Edit: Oh and, we have not stopped using mercury.

If you have data, you surely wouldn't mind sharing to prove your point.
 
As long as the manufacturers clean up their messes as soon as they are made, I can agree somewhat. But history shows that, given the opportunity, they will simply leave town. So it's cheaper to pollute a 3rd world country and import the finished product.
Only until there aren’t enough jobs here to earn the money to do this. Once that threshold is met there likely wont be enough capital to bring those jobs back. Then what do we do?
 
Apple was one of the last companies to offshore back in 1999. They wanted to keep production here. They have always tried to keep support in the same region when other companies went to India. It wouldn’t surprise me if they try to do similar with more manufacturing here.
 
Cite your sources, I know many people that want to increase manufacturing in the US. Rolling back regulations does not automatically mean the environment would be destroyed. There are ways to ensure environmental protections without effectively banning working with certain materials. We used to manufacture lead-based items in this country but we cannot now because of regulations, there are many other examples of manufacturing items that are similar to this. If we follow your example we will eventually get to the point where we do not make anything here and that will be an economic disaster.
A lot of our regulations are poorly implemented or have roots in special interest. Rolling back regulations doesn’t always mean rolling back safety.
 
But it typically does. The community typically carries the cost of pollution rather than the polluter.
Does not mean it cannot be done properly. Doing nothing leads to only one outcome, and that is going to be a disaster beyond description.
 
Does not mean it cannot be done properly. Doing nothing leads to only one outcome, and that is going to be a disaster beyond description.
Doing it properly is the outcome of good regulation. The last part of your comment is catastrophizing which does not help rational debate.
 
Doing it properly is the outcome of good regulation. The last part of your comment is catastrophizing which does not help rational debate.
Using adequately descriptive words does not deter rational debate. Meaningful and well-rationed regulations are not necessarily a deterrent to manufacturing, however, there are many regulations currently on the books that are no well-rationed and have caused companies to more manufacturing to other countries, which does nothing for the eco-minded people in the world except let them live in bliss as they think they have stopped the problem whereas they have only transplanted it elsewhere.
 
Why they keep contracting with Taiwan instead of US based Intel foundry.

Amazon & Microsoft both switched to using Intel 18A Fab for their custom chips.
Because TSMC has proven that they can deliver better products.

Intel may eventually catch up, but that has yet to be seen.
 
As long as the manufacturers clean up their messes as soon as they are made, I can agree somewhat. But history shows that, given the opportunity, they will simply leave town. So it's cheaper to pollute a 3rd world country and import the finished product.
Numerous examples of this. Regulation exists for a reason.

Capitalism is necessary, but it needs checks and balances. Regulation and environmental protection are critical instruments.
 
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