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Sam5281

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Need knowledgable advice here:

Ready to buy a quality external monitor for Photoshop/lightroom photo editing.

Using a late 2008 MBP:
(Mini dp)
(1440 x 900)
(NVIDIA GeForce 9400M 256 MB graphics)

Should I buy an Apple Refurb 27" Cinema Display: $700

OR ?

Please let me know if it's my best option - open to other suggestions!

Budget is right around that price - don't want to break 1k mark.
 
Dell is pretty much the place to go for monitors. Look into their Ultrasharp line.
 
Don't forget to consider adjustments (or the lack thereof). If you want height adjustment and swiveling you don't want an Apple display.

And don't forget glossy vs. matte. If you want matte, no Apple for you.
 
Well...

Cinema display was purchased by someone else. That's out of the question now
 
Consider a monitor that can be calibrated easily and is designed for graphics.

Dell, HP, Eizo and NEC all offer excellent choices. I personally use an NEC PA series monitor that is certainly better than Apple's offerings. Please do understand I have used both iMac and also owned at one time the 30" Apple monitor.

While I believe that the NEC and Eizo are the "best" options, the Dell is cheaper and very close (last I checked, it was the Ultra series). The HP monitors also are no slouch and any of these are better for graphics/photo than the Apple monitors.
 
Apple Cinema Display is fine OP. I have two and they're fantastic and extremely accurate color wise.

People become "monitor snobbish" and forget that no matter how hard they try and control color it's never going to be perfect from monitor to print.

Sure you can go with a pricer Eizo if you want but I'd save my money. I also disagree with those here who claim Dell Ultrasharps are good. We have them at work and I don't think they're as good as people make them. I don't care for the "screen shimmer" of dells anti-glare coating.
 
The Cinema and Thunderbolt displays or inferior in color gamut to other displays in their price range. I bought a refurb HP ZR2740w 27 inch IPS panel, which is just as sharp as my old 27 inch iMac display (same panel as the TBD), and it displays far more colors (1.07 billion vs, 16.7 million - the difference between 8 and 16 bit color) for $350 on Amazon. New they're like $700, I think.

The only advantages that the Apple displays have, is that they have a better design and they work with your Mac's built in brightness controls, etc. I also prefer the glossy coating that Apple displays have to the antiglare that my HP has, but that's personal preference.

Some would say that I'm being a "snob," but a display like the Cinema or TBD, which only does 8 bit color is unacceptable for working in higher color depths, which I do regularly.
 
Need knowledgable advice here:

Ready to buy a quality external monitor for Photoshop/lightroom photo editing.

Using a late 2008 MBP:
(Mini dp)
(1440 x 900)
(NVIDIA GeForce 9400M 256 MB graphics)

Should I buy an Apple Refurb 27" Cinema Display: $700

OR ?

Please let me know if it's my best option - open to other suggestions!

Budget is right around that price - don't want to break 1k mark.

The ACD is gorgeous no bones about it, however if you have or anticipate a need to connect other devices, then I suggest the 27 inch Dell Ultrasharp.

US

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/...5~0~15892799,233672~0~15116334&s=dhs&~ck=anav

Canada (Cheaper!)

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/pro...l.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=225-4015

The ACD is limited to one input only, and that can very very limiting.

The Dell also pivots out of the box, while the ACD would require a different mounting solution.

The panels are the same as I understand it. Either way you end up with a great display, just consider your needs carefully.
 
Apple Cinema Display is fine OP. I have two and they're fantastic and extremely accurate color wise.

People become "monitor snobbish" and forget that no matter how hard they try and control color it's never going to be perfect from monitor to print.

Sure you can go with a pricer Eizo if you want but I'd save my money. I also disagree with those here who claim Dell Ultrasharps are good. We have them at work and I don't think they're as good as people make them. I don't care for the "screen shimmer" of dells anti-glare coating.

Having owned iMac and in the past the 30" ACD, I found that some of the above mentioned non-Apple monitors worked as well if not better for serious graphics/photo work. I would suggest the OP not take yours or my word for it but do some exploring on the internet for reviews and "on paper" measurements related to the specs of some offerings. Again we'll find that the Apple displays are not without merit but certainly have competition and offerings that hands down are superior to the ACD and iMacs. This is not opinion but summation based on facts.

Here is an excerpt from Digilloyd site that some of "us snobs" might find amusing -

Faux calibration

The term “calibration” is abused: true calibration means bringing the hardware device (the display) to a specified target state. The actual behavior vs specified target is then measured, and a profile is generated that describes the differences.

With most so-called “calibration”, the display itself cannot and does not change. In short, it is not calibrated at all. Instead, 8-bit video card data is altered in an attempt to produce an image that approximates the proper intensity and color, using repeated measurements. This is impossible to do well in 8 bit, particularly in darker tones, where there are only a few bits to work with (not even 8 bits!). But even 8 bits is woefully inadequate, certainly so in a 3D color space.

Thus “calibrating” an Apple display or other brand is actually not calibration at all, but a laughably crude lipstick on a pig effort that is often worse than the stock Apple profile supplied by Apple. Whether the hardware calibration is done with a $100 or $5000 calibrator doesn’t matter: no actual calibration occurs (the display does not actually change other than perhaps contrast and brightness), Rather, 8 bits on the video card approximate
 
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Having owned iMac and in the past the 30" ACD, I found that some of the above mentioned non-Apple monitors worked as well if not better for serious graphics/photo work. I would suggest the OP not take yours or my word for it but do some exploring on the internet for reviews and "on paper" measurements related to the specs of some offerings. Again we'll find that the Apple displays are not without merit but certainly have competition and offerings that hands down are superior to the ACD and iMacs. This is not opinion but summation based on facts.

Here is an excerpt from Digilloyd site that some of "us snobs" might find amusing -

Faux calibration

The term “calibration” is abused: true calibration means bringing the hardware device (the display) to a specified target state. The actual behavior vs specified target is then measured, and a profile is generated that describes the differences.

With most so-called “calibration”, the display itself cannot and does not change. In short, it is not calibrated at all. Instead, 8-bit video card data is altered in an attempt to produce an image that approximates the proper intensity and color, using repeated measurements. This is impossible to do well in 8 bit, particularly in darker tones, where there are only a few bits to work with (not even 8 bits!). But even 8 bits is woefully inadequate, certainly so in a 3D color space.

Thus “calibrating” an Apple display or other brand is actually not calibration at all, but a laughably crude lipstick on a pig effort that is often worse than the stock Apple profile supplied by Apple. Whether the hardware calibration is done with a $100 or $5000 calibrator doesn’t matter: no actual calibration occurs (the display does not actually change other than perhaps contrast and brightness), Rather, 8 bits on the video card approximate

Yea and I call BS on that entire quote. My monitor matches my prints just fine and I use the so called "lip stick on a pig" approach of letting my colorimeter make a profile for me.

Again, nothing but snobbery from people forgetting that years ago we didn't have the sharp, crisp monitors we do today but work still got done just fine.
 
Just purchased a new retina MBP - and Thunderbolt display :)

Will be here this week
 
Yea and I call BS on that entire quote. My monitor matches my prints just fine and I use the so called "lip stick on a pig" approach of letting my colorimeter make a profile for me.

Again, nothing but snobbery from people forgetting that years ago we didn't have the sharp, crisp monitors we do today but work still got done just fine.

I'll simply stop here as you are embarrassing yourself and no need to further comment. Let's move on.
 
I'll simply stop here as you are embarrassing yourself and no need to further comment. Let's move on.

I'm not embarrassing myself at all. My prints and my monitor match, that's the goal. I don't see a problem here.

When I worked in IT I supported studios who have all the high end fancy monitors and we have the Dell Ultrasharps at my current job. I don't see what the hubbub is about.

You feel differently than I do apparently. I am basing my observations on experience.
 
I'm not embarrassing myself at all. My prints and my monitor match, that's the goal. I don't see a problem here.

When I worked in IT I supported studios who have all the high end fancy monitors and we have the Dell Ultrasharps at my current job. I don't see what the hubbub is about.

You feel differently than I do apparently. I am basing my observations on experience.

Your comment about snobbery is what remains more than suspect. I am glad your set up works for you however, other monitors do a better job at both calibration and have a larger colour space. There is no snobbery involved just purchases based on spec and need. I am unsure of why you insist on being steadfast with your acrid comment.
 
If you want a WYSIWYG set up (for Printing) you need a monitor that can be adjusted down to 80-100cd or you will end up getting dark prints, you will think they look correct on a bright contrasty monitor but will be printed dark (compared to the monitor) ideally it would be good to have a retina display of some sort for web browsing and photo display and then an Eizo or Nec for print editing. A Monitor snob :)
 
Just been through this and went with Dell U2713H has wide gamut which ACD doesn't. Oh it's non reflective ACD isn't.
The only done is no thunderbolt dock

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ASUS also do a very good monitor.
 
I have a 21" iMac sitting next to a NEC Spectraview 241 monitor. I know which gets closest to what I shot and print by a good mile!

I have an NEC PA241w and in the past iMacs and also Apple 30" monitor. You don't have to guess which one gave me the best and as importantly the most consistent results. Perhaps in 2015 I may move up to a 27" or 30" monitor but I really find the 24" works very well for me with the distance I work from the monitor and love the ability to work in portrait as well.
 
I have an NEC PA241w and in the past iMacs and also Apple 30" monitor. You don't have to guess which one gave me the best and as importantly the most consistent results. Perhaps in 2015 I may move up to a 27" or 30" monitor but I really find the 24" works very well for me with the distance I work from the monitor and love the ability to work in portrait as well.

With a duel monitor set up, 24" is more than enough for me.
 
Viewsonic VP2770

I really enjoy the Viewsonic VP2770. I have used all of the monitors in this class and price range and this one has been great for photo editing and general computer use. http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VP2...alibrated/dp/B00906HNZU/ref=cm_srch_res_rtr_1

27-Inch Wide Super IPS LED monitor
178 / 178 super wide viewing angles
2560x1440 High Resolution Display
Full ergonomics (pivot, height, tilt, swivel)
Slim Bezel for multi-monitor applications
 
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get an NEC

If you speak to photographers, not just snobs, you'll likely hear that many would like to have an Eizo, but since they're sooo expensive, they (me) "settle" for an NEC. I have the PA271, since replaced by an upgraded model, with the Spectraview profiling software and NEC puck. Colors are spot on, profiling is a simple plug it in and tell it what to do. I used it with my now retired Mac Pro 3.1 and now it's just lovely with my new Mac Pro 6.1. NEC's are hard to beat for quality and price, and no I don't work for them, or anyone else.
Just a Retired Bum
 
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