Apple Claims Its Former Engineer Helped Invent Tech in Qualcomm Patent

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    Apple and Qualcomm have been squaring off in courts around the world, and this week, the first U.S. jury trial kicked off in San Diego, California, where Qualcomm's headquarters are located.

    During today's legal proceedings, which were covered by CNET, Apple claimed that one of its former engineers, Arjuna Siva, had a hand in inventing the technologies covered in one of the patents that Qualcomm is accusing Apple of infringing on.

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    The patent in question covers a method that allows a smartphone to quickly connect to the internet once the device boots up. According to Apple, Siva came up with the concept for the patent and should be named on it.

    Siva was an Apple employee prior to 2011, which was the year Apple released the first iPhone that used a Qualcomm chip. Prior to the release of that device, Apple and Qualcomm worked together for modem chips that would meet Apple's needs. Siva was involved in those discussions and proposed the technology that Qualcomm went on to patent.
    Qualcomm director of engineering Stephen Haenichen said that Siva did not deserve to have his name on the patent and contributed "nothing at all" to the development of the feature, despite Apple's argument.

    According to CNET, Apple's aim with the Siva argument is to prove that Qualcomm is hasty and careless when filing its patents. Qualcomm pays $1,500 to employees for filing a patent and another $1,500 when the patent is issued, which is another point Apple brought up to demonstrate Qualcomm's treatment of patents. Siva will testify later in the week to provide more detail on his role working with Qualcomm back before the first iPhone with a Qualcomm modem was released.

    The current trial between Apple and Qualcomm will last through next week and we'll likely see additional interesting tidbits and arguments revealed as the legal battle goes on and the jury tries to decide if Apple is indeed guilty of infringing on Qualcomm technology.

    Apple and Qualcomm have been fighting since January 2017, when Apple sued Qualcomm for $1 billion in unpaid royalty fees. Qualcomm countersued, and since then, the two companies have levied multiple lawsuits against one another. Two of Qualcomm's lawsuits have resulted in import bans in Germany and China, both of which Apple was able to skirt with hardware and software updates.

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    Supposedly there is some sort of email documentation of this.
     
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    Qualcomm is known to take a carpet-bombing approach to patents. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a settlement of those unpaid royalties at the end of this, which will probably come abruptly, prior to jury deliberation.
     
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    Oh, I bet Apple has had this tucked away for some time now, just waiting for the right moment to use it.

    Edited for spelling.
     
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    If Apple can't keep track of their employee's contribution to third party patents, nobody can.
     
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    If Siva's testimony ends up corroborating with Apple…. then a big setback for Qualcomm.
     
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    Not really. It still just ends up being one side's word against the other. Siva will say he did co-invent. QC will say he didn't. Without corroborating evidence (email, text, etc.), it will just come down to who is more believable.
     
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    This seems pretty thin. Either he’s on the patent or he isn’t.

    Qualcomm can use the “He who snoozes loses” defense.
     
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    So they held onto that info for a decade... just in case. Riiiiiiight. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Khedron macrumors 65816

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    His name should have been on the patent? Meaning it isn't. Meaning Apple's point is worthless.

    I like Apple's approach of arguing patents should be fair though, since they have plenty of joke patents themselves. They just got one for saying that warming something up helps prevent damage due to low temperatures... in a mobile device.
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    I believe it's called "argument ad shoulda woulda coulda"
     
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    Boy. When all the dust settles. I'd love a film adaptation of the whole fiasco. From Michael Bay. With lotsa explosions.
     
  16. BuffaloTF macrumors 6502a

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    Patent law prior to 2011 was FTI - First-To-Invent.

    In other words - Qualcomm is finished.

    Further, if they filed without the correct inventors listed, they’ve committed fraud to the USPTO, even under FITF.
     
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    There is an alleged email
     
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    When there is a huge volume of patent applications and you are working with other companies to create in secret your first phone, I’m sure some patents are not reviewed. It wasn’t until Qualcomm tried to beat them over the head with it that the former engineer likely reminded them it was his idea. Then they pulled up the email history for the proof.
     
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    xerox cough cough
     
  20. Khedron macrumors 65816

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    Apple's claim was instantly shot down. Their only evidence is that his name isn't on the patent, which proves the cover up by Qualcomm. It's conspiracy theory logic.
     
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    Then that would be the corroborating evidence I mentioned to take it from one word against another to a problem for Qualcomm.
     
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    For this specific patent, possibly. And Qualcomm just filed the lawsuit in July 2017.
     
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    This is laughable. You're basically saying that the Apple employees were inept. I will give you credit for an active imagination though. Kudos
     
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    You need to read up on your history cough cough.
     

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