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Other Apple claims the A13 Bionic is faster than the best Android chips of today. It's false.

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During the iPhone event, Apple claimed that the A13 was basically on par with the best Android chips of 2022. I thought to myself, hol' up. Those are some wild claims. I grabbed my dusty iPhone 11 tucked in the drawer, with the A13 chip, and did a speed comparison with my sisters Samsung S22 Ultra with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1, a chip from late 2021. I compared opening apps on both and navigating them, using the web, navigating the phone in general and it turns out that the S22 Ultra is a much faster phone in all scenarios.

I am honestly shocked that Apple can lie like this on the biggest stage of the year and get away with it. Apple Silicon is great and they have changed the industry but lying like this is taking it too far, IMO. Can Apple get sued by FTC for false and misleading advertising?
 
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Not exactly a scientific test you did there.

Regardless, speeds can depend on various factors and efficiencies within the phones operating system and other variables. Further more, the tests you just completed really aren't processor tests, as they are full system tests including UI and UX.

If your phone was sitting in a drawer for ages, it is likely doing background activiites that will also impact speed / performance.
 
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Apple likely uses actual benchmarking software to measure the processing power of the chipset, not just casually whip out a device that's been sitting in a drawer, probably not receiving software updates and seeing how fast it opens things.

That being said, they also likely run tests that work in their favour and don't necessarily reflect real world use, but if they can find any metric by which their chip wins they're not lying. There's zero chance that they can be sued for false advertising on a claim that is so open to interpretation.
 
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There have been enough Apple Silicon events for us to know Apple's graphs and performance claims are always misleading. Don't get me wrong the chips are fast but they absolutely exaggerate with those unlabeled graphs. Benchmarks don't really tell you too much, I think the back to back real phone timed tests are a lot more telling.
 
Are you trolling? That’s not how you test chip speed. I mean, there are whole companies out there who do this, and this isn’t remotely how.

For all that chip speed on its own isn’t everything, the general consensus is that Apple was correct about the A13. That doesn’t mean the 11 is always faster than current Android flagships. Two different things.
 
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Retskrad said:
During the iPhone event, Apple claimed that the A13 was basically on par with the best Android chips of 2022. I thought to myself, hol' up. Those are some wild claims. I grabbed my dusty iPhone 11 tucked in the drawer, with the A13 chip, and did a speed comparison with my sisters Samsung S22 Ultra with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1, a chip from late 2021. I compared opening apps on both and navigating them, using the web, navigating the phone in general and it turns out that the S22 Ultra is a much faster phone in all scenarios.

I am honestly shocked that Apple can lie like this on the biggest stage of the year and get away with it. Apple Silicon is great and they have changed the industry but lying like this is taking it too far, IMO. Can Apple get sued by FTC for false and misleading advertising?
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Samsung lied about their benchmark, turned the speed down when it is not doing benchmark, even Korean hated that and Samsung needed to decreased price a lot right after S22 was launched. You can Google the news.
 
An iPhone that was "tucked away in a drawer" will likely also run a lot of background syncing and updating tasks that will take a while to settle.
 
I still don't understand the "my iphone faster than your android " or vice versa. Who cares. Use what you like/works for you. I use iphone and will continue to do so. Why? Its fluid/smooth/works. Using an iPhone doesn't frustrate me. Also...how much faster do we want a phone to work? To me its already fast. I mostly use my iphone for work purposes. It goes beyond what I expect it to do.
 
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Apple likely uses actual benchmarking software to measure the processing power of the chipset, not just casually whip out a device that's been sitting in a drawer, probably not receiving software updates and seeing how fast it opens things.

That being said, they also likely run tests that work in their favour and don't necessarily reflect real world use, but if they can find any metric by which their chip wins they're not lying. There's zero chance that they can be sued for false advertising on a claim that is so open to interpretation.
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you sure tim doesn't have samsung laying around in his office to run the tests? 😂
 
Retskrad said:
During the iPhone event, Apple claimed that the A13 was basically on par with the best Android chips of 2022. I thought to myself, hol' up. Those are some wild claims. I grabbed my dusty iPhone 11 tucked in the drawer, with the A13 chip, and did a speed comparison with my sisters Samsung S22 Ultra with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1, a chip from late 2021. I compared opening apps on both and navigating them, using the web, navigating the phone in general and it turns out that the S22 Ultra is a much faster phone in all scenarios.

I am honestly shocked that Apple can lie like this on the biggest stage of the year and get away with it. Apple Silicon is great and they have changed the industry but lying like this is taking it too far, IMO. Can Apple get sued by FTC for false and misleading advertising?
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Well Samsung phone would just burn or even become a brick, I don't care if it works sometimes. The build quality of Samsung is BS while Pixel is king of bugs. I don't see I have other options if I want a phone with good camera tech.
 
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Retskrad said:
During the iPhone event, Apple claimed that the A13 was basically on par with the best Android chips of 2022. I thought to myself, hol' up. Those are some wild claims. I grabbed my dusty iPhone 11 tucked in the drawer, with the A13 chip, and did a speed comparison with my sisters Samsung S22 Ultra with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1, a chip from late 2021. I compared opening apps on both and navigating them, using the web, navigating the phone in general and it turns out that the S22 Ultra is a much faster phone in all scenarios.

I am honestly shocked that Apple can lie like this on the biggest stage of the year and get away with it. Apple Silicon is great and they have changed the industry but lying like this is taking it too far, IMO. Can Apple get sued by FTC for false and misleading advertising?
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That is not an even remotely objective or meaningful test you have done.
 
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Gotta read that fine print. I'm 100% sure apple found a metric that makes their A13 faster than everybody else. Whether that is legitimate in real world use... doesn't really matter.
 
Taco1933 said:
Gotta read that fine print. I'm 100% sure apple found a metric that makes their A13 faster than everybody else. Whether that is legitimate in real world use... doesn't really matter.
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Apple does tend to include, in the fine print, where they found those metrics, and it tends to be through suitable benchmarking software. It's also not unusual at all that Apple's mobile chips embarrassed and continue to embarrass Qualcomm.
 
Retskrad said:
During the iPhone event, Apple claimed that the A13 was basically on par with the best Android chips of 2022. I thought to myself, hol' up. Those are some wild claims. I grabbed my dusty iPhone 11 tucked in the drawer, with the A13 chip, and did a speed comparison with my sisters Samsung S22 Ultra with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1, a chip from late 2021. I compared opening apps on both and navigating them, using the web, navigating the phone in general and it turns out that the S22 Ultra is a much faster phone in all scenarios.

I am honestly shocked that Apple can lie like this on the biggest stage of the year and get away with it. Apple Silicon is great and they have changed the industry but lying like this is taking it too far, IMO. Can Apple get sued by FTC for false and misleading advertising?
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You were comparing a 60hrz display to the Ultra. That is why it seems faster. On paper the Snapdragon gen 1 is faster in multi core and slower in single core on most tests. Apple marketing.😂 But the A14 and A15 are faster. So is the A16 of coarse. Apple is still three generations ahead. Does it matter? Not really.
 
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Retskrad said:
During the iPhone event, Apple claimed that the A13 was basically on par with the best Android chips of 2022. I thought to myself, hol' up. Those are some wild claims. I grabbed my dusty iPhone 11 tucked in the drawer, with the A13 chip, and did a speed comparison with my sisters Samsung S22 Ultra with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1, a chip from late 2021. I compared opening apps on both and navigating them, using the web, navigating the phone in general and it turns out that the S22 Ultra is a much faster phone in all scenarios.

I am honestly shocked that Apple can lie like this on the biggest stage of the year and get away with it. Apple Silicon is great and they have changed the industry but lying like this is taking it too far, IMO. Can Apple get sued by FTC for false and misleading advertising?
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and what were the benchmarks comparison? what opens apps faster isn't what decides what chip is faster.
 
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You were comparing a 60hrz display to the Ultra
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Even something as silly as animation duration will impact things like app-opening tests. Apps don't just open as quickly as they possibly can on iOS, there is UI/UX that limits that and is unrelated to raw capability of the underlying silicon. Just silly.
 
Retskrad said:
I am honestly shocked that Apple can lie like this on the biggest stage of the year and get away with it. Apple Silicon is great and they have changed the industry but lying like this is taking it too far, IMO. Can Apple get sued by FTC for false and misleading advertising?
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I think benchmarks are useless these days as everything is fast enough, but here you go.


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I think benchmarks are useless these days as everything is fast enough, but here you go.
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How can the A13 be faster on Geekbench but be slower in actual use? The only conclusion we can draw is, Apple is purposely not optimising their older phones in an effort to get you to buy new hardware. Something fishy is going on here.
 
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