Apple Closing Stores in Southern California, Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Texas, Utah and More

[Baymowe335]

Try again, US currently has 127,681 deaths out of 2,658,324 reported cases. That works out to a death rate of 4.8%. Admittedly due to the high prevalence of asymptotic cases (most of whom probably aren’t tested), the actual cases is probably much higher, but even if the actual case count is 10x reported, that still brings the death rate down to 0.5%.

What if it’s 100X reported? Trouble is, we actually don’t know. It’s a new virus, so the death rate could end up being far lower than even 0.5% in the longer term.

It’s a disgrace people can’t follow SIMPLE preventative guidelines and we have to oscillate between full quarantine and wide open with no precautions.

Open with precautions is FAR better than complete shutdown or complete open chaos.

 

[Jason2000]

Yet deaths associated with it have been declining ever since the peak in April. There is still very little evidence that suggests that asymptomatic people are able to transmit the virus. The virus has a death rate of just 0.05%.

With the broadcasting of all of these COVID related numbers on all sorts of websites and TV channels, of course it looks terrifying, however I think the general public would feel a lot more at ease if they also saw all other sorts of numbers besides the COVID numbers. Simply due to the fact that COVID is the only disease which has had its numbers published and broadcasted in such a widespread and continual manner.

I definitely think it is over blown some and the internet/24/7/365 news does not help either. I also have issues that they use the number of cases and not number of current cases. They will show 17,000 cases but do not bother to let people know 15,500 have recovered so there are only 1500 active cases. But that is not as scary. Also making me mad is that they keep blaming beach goers, people going to restaurants and family gatherings. But NOT ONE mention of protesters spreading this. Thousands and thousands of protesters night after night standing right next to each other yelling and screaming with very few wearing mask. Spit flying everywhere but no, protesters didn't help spread this. They were immune. People are idiots if they believe that.

 

[Baymowe335]

Everyone knew that when we started opening things up that numbers would tick up. And the numbers are mainly going up in the working class age groups because they're now around coworkers (many employers are making their employees get tested which drives up the counts) and they're going out in public (restaurants and bars, etc...). They're also extremely unlikely (99.9%) to go to the hospital or die.

Tests have gone up which drive up numbers but deaths and hospitalizations have plummeted. And neither of those numbers got remotely close to early estimates.

Apple is a private company and can close down all they want, but the hysteria in the media and among the mask Nazis is a bit much. People need to chill. If going to the store and seeing someone without a mask triggers you, order online or stay home. (The CDC recommends staying home too.)

Be prepared to get hated on, but you’re not wrong.

People comparing positive cases now versus 2 months ago aren’t doing even a little critical thinking.

Shutting down completely has some impact, but we actually don’t know how much. Simply comparing open versus closed and assigning the difference to quarantine doesn’t actually work, for a myriad of reasons.

 

[bodonnell202]

The problem is that people are making mask-wearing a political thing.

Wearing a mask is like wearing a condom in a risky situation, or wearing a seatbelt while driving. It's for your own safety.

If we all agreed on that, we'd be on our way to recovery long time ago.

I think the problem is that (cotton) masks offer minimal protection to the person wearing it, but significantly reduce the chance of the person wearing the mask transmitting viral particles to others. A lot of people in western countries are too selfish to even slightly inconvenience themselves to help others.

 

[Baymowe335]

Try again, US currently has 127,681 deaths out of 2,658,324 reported cases. That works out to a death rate of 4.8%. Admittedly due to the high prevalence of asymptotic cases (most of whom probably aren’t tested), the actual cases is probably much higher, but even if the actual case count is 10x reported, that still brings the death rate down to 0.5%.

That 4.8% is utterly meaningless for the reasons you say, but it’s continually pounded...for what purpose?

And now that deaths are ticking down, what is it you constantly hear about? Cases. Not recoveries, not how deaths are lower, not how healthy people aren’t at risk, not that most hospitals have plenty of capacity, not how there are plenty of ventilators, and definitely not that more testing today makes it seem like more daily cases than 2 months.

No. Just. Every. Single. Case.

 

[repoman016]

And this is how it’s going to be in the foreseeable future, with stores being closed based on regional conditions. The one thing I give Apple due credit, is that they are making quick, decisive decisions to close stores versus ‘waiting it out’. This isn’t an option, it’s necessary.

That's because apple wont go bankrupt and find themself in a food bank line when they close these stores. I dont totally disagree with you here but keep in mind that when you are the first company to ever hit a trillion dollars i dont think shutting down a few stores will make the company go belly up
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That 4.8% is utterly meaningless for the reasons you say, but it’s continually pounded...for what purpose?

And now that deaths are ticking down, what is it you constantly hear about? Cases. Not recoveries, not how deaths are lower, not how healthy people aren’t at risk, not that most hospitals have plenty of capacity, not how there are plenty of ventilators, and definitely not that more testing today makes it seem like more daily cases than 2 months.

No. Just. Every. Single. Case.

This is called fear mongering and the media love it.

 

[TexasGuy74]

Yet deaths associated with it have been declining ever since the peak in April. There is still very little evidence that suggests that asymptomatic people are able to transmit the virus. The virus has a death rate of just 0.05%.

With the broadcasting of all of these COVID related numbers on all sorts of websites and TV channels, of course it looks terrifying, however I think the general public would feel a lot more at ease if they also saw all other sorts of numbers besides the COVID numbers. Simply due to the fact that COVID is the only disease which has had its numbers published and broadcasted in such a widespread and continual manner.

Deaths are down because their is at least a two week lag in the spike of cases and death.

 

[AppleMad98004]

In LA it's 5%. (60,178 cases, 3130 deaths.) Admittedly, the number of cases is underreported but it's still a far cry from 0.05%.

That's a completely false stat. It would be like only including people who drive drunk in the death rate for drunk drivers. You have to take the total statistical infection rate which is probably in the millions in Socal. From people who never feel sick to ICU. Some think infection rate worldwide will approach 500 million. The death rate may end up being lower than flu.

If that is the case looking back this a year or two from now, it will be the biggest fear mongering/false edvidence campaign since WMD's in Iraq the world has seen and inflict poverty and economic hardship on millions of middle and working class people.

 

[yaxomoxay]

If Apple, with all of their considerable resources, can’t safely keep a store open in your area, it’s probably not safe to keep a store open in your area.

Not really. Apple's is a business decision. They see a spike, they see that their store don't see much traffic and is likely to go down, they see that their ROI is really diminished, and they have enough online or indirect sales plus more cash than God, so closing the stores makes sense on multiple fronts. The vast majority of other stores don't have all that room for maneuver.

Said that, guys wear a mask, and social distance.

 

[mikejd1]

Try again, US currently has 127,681 deaths out of 2,658,324 reported cases. That works out to a death rate of 4.8%. Admittedly due to the high prevalence of asymptotic cases (most of whom probably aren’t tested), the actual cases is probably much higher, but even if the actual case count is 10x reported, that still brings the death rate down to 0.5%.

Here's why

it is stated (by experts including the former FDA commissioner) now by the end of summer (Aug/Sept) that 15% of the US population will be infected, including the entire bucket of Confirmed, Pre-Symptomatic, and Asymptomatic. So, 15% of the US population is approx is 49,500,000 people. If you estimate the death toll hits even 200,000 (projected by sept 1st 166,000, but let's round to the 200k), you get .004%.

The number of confirmed infections currently is 1 in 10. So, say you're at 26M right now infected, and by Sept it gets you to your 15% number.

This is the **** that isn't made public without digging into it.

 

[826317]

Deaths are down because their is at least a two week lag in the spike of cases and death.

There is no evidence for that claim. Furthermore, the fact that these numbers surely don't have anything to do with the fact that Doctors in the States are actively incentivised to note "COVID-19" on the death certificate of a deceased patient. They get paid $13,000 per COVID-diagnosed patient. Doctors have also been instructed to take a very liberal approach to this. Numbers have been inflated and that is quite clear at this point. The people who are dying from this are the people who we need to protect and isolate. Not the entire country with millions out of work and quite possibly more people dying from the lockdown as a result.

 

[SSDGUY]

In LA it's 5%. (60,178 cases, 3130 deaths.) Admittedly, the number of cases is underreported but it's still a far cry from 0.05%.

5% deaths from total confirmed cases is not the mortality rate. Lots of reports out there with antibody testing showing it's far more widespread than confirmed case numbers, thus a much lower MR.

 

[sofila]

That 4.8% is utterly meaningless for the reasons you say, but it’s continually pounded...for what purpose?

And now that deaths are ticking down, what is it you constantly hear about? Cases. Not recoveries, not how deaths are lower, not how healthy people aren’t at risk, not that most hospitals have plenty of capacity, not how there are plenty of ventilators, and definitely not that more testing today makes it seem like more daily cases than 2 months.

No. Just. Every. Single. Case.

Yes, everything is made up. EU prevents entry to US citizens based on fear mongering. Go figure.

 

[masotime]

Yet deaths associated with it have been declining ever since the peak in April. There is still very little evidence that suggests that asymptomatic people are able to transmit the virus. The virus has a death rate of just 0.05%.

With the broadcasting of all of these COVID related numbers on all sorts of websites and TV channels, of course it looks terrifying, however I think the general public would feel a lot more at ease if they also saw all other sorts of numbers besides the COVID numbers. Simply due to the fact that COVID is the only disease which has had its numbers published and broadcasted in such a widespread and continual manner.

How are you doing your math?

Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,775,239 Cases and 2,849,547 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

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www.worldometers.info

516608 / 10710176 = 0.04823524842 = 4.8%

Did you forget to multiply by 100?

 

[bodonnell202]

That 4.8% is utterly meaningless for the reasons you say, but it’s continually pounded...for what purpose?

And now that deaths are ticking down, what is it you constantly hear about? Cases. Not recoveries, not how deaths are lower, not how healthy people aren’t at risk, not that most hospitals have plenty of capacity, not how there are plenty of ventilators, and definitely not that more testing today makes it seem like more daily cases than 2 months.

No. Just. Every. Single. Case.

Fair, honestly as a Canadian I’m not sure how the American media is reporting this. Up here in Canada we have mostly switched to monitoring active cases, and more importantly hospitalizations to inform decision making. The current situation here still necessitates caution, but not the need for a full shut down.

 

[crawfish963]

This is why we can't have nice things. Some think wearing a mask somehow infringes on "their rights". I wonder how they'll feel when a loved one is on a vent and never leaves the hospital due to their selfish decision.

You can encourage it. You can ask for it. You can beg for it. You just can’t make it mandatory. It’s not constitutional. What happened to the “my body my choice” crowd?

 

[mikejd1]

How are you doing your math?

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516608 / 10710176 = 0.04823524842 = 4.8%

Did you forget to multiply by 100?

Exactly, see post #36 https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ana-texas-utah-and-more.2243981/post-28631992

 

[repoman016]

You can encourage it. You can ask for it. You can beg for it. You just can’t make it mandatory. It’s not constitutional. What happened to the “my body my choice” crowd?

I agree you cant make it mandatory. But i also think if stores can say "no shirt, no shoes, no service" they could surely say "no shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service" which where i'm at, some of them have. (costco, menards)

 

[bodonnell202]

Here's why

it is stated (by experts including the former FDA commissioner) now by the end of summer (Aug/Sept) that 15% of the US population will be infected, including the entire bucket of Confirmed, Pre-Symptomatic, and Asymptomatic. So, 15% of the US population is approx is 49,500,000 people. If you estimate the death toll hits even 200,000 (projected by sept 1st 166,000, but let's round to the 200k), you get .004%.

The number of confirmed infections currently is 1 in 10. So, say you're at 26M right now infected, and by Sept it gets you to your 15% number.

This is the **** that isn't made public without digging into it.

You clearly don’t know how to calculate a percentage. Using your numbers 200,000 out of 49,500,000 is 0.4%, not .004% (you have to multiply the fraction by 100 to get a percentage).

 

[826317]

How are you doing your math?

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Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,775,239 Cases and 2,849,547 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

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516608 / 10710176 = 0.04823524842 = 4.8%

Did you forget to multiply by 100?

I am doing my math by not looking at reported confirmed cases only. What kind of a ridiculous person is going to take confirmed infections and use that number to come to a death rate conclusion?? I look at research that has concluded that with everyone who has ever and will ever be infected by COVID, that 0.05% roughly will die from it. Worldometer, the source that you use, only lists government numbers. Very few of those numbers are people who have been infected by Sars-Cov-2 and not shown any symptoms, i.e asymptomatic. There has been an increasing number of studies that seek to find out what the true infection rate and death rate are. Most of these studies conclude that it is roughly 0.05% some have even said that it is possibly less than that.

 

[masotime]

That 4.8% is utterly meaningless for the reasons you say, but it’s continually pounded...for what purpose?

And now that deaths are ticking down, what is it you constantly hear about? Cases. Not recoveries, not how deaths are lower, not how healthy people aren’t at risk, not that most hospitals have plenty of capacity, not how there are plenty of ventilators, and definitely not that more testing today makes it seem like more daily cases than 2 months.

No. Just. Every. Single. Case.

You are aware that deaths are a lagging indicator from cases right?

I am genuinely interested though, can you link to credible sources that "healthy people aren't at risk", "hospitals have plenty of capacity, ventilators"?

 

[cmaier]

Apple is a private company and can close down all they want, but the hysteria in the media and among the mask Nazis is a bit much.

Nazis killed my family. They didn’t ask them to stay 6 feet away and wear a mask.

 

[crawfish963]

I agree you cant make it mandatory. But i also think if stores can say "no shirt, no shoes, no service" they could surely say "no shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service" which where i'm at, some of them have. (costco, menards)

I agree. A private business should be able to set these kinds of restrictions. The market will determine what happens at that point. Customers can also go elsewhere with their wallets.

 

[cmaier]

I am doing my math by not looking at reported confirmed cases only. What kind of a ridiculous person is going to take confirmed infections and use that number to come to a death rate conclusion?? I look at research that has concluded that with everyone who has ever and will ever be infected by COVID, that 0.05% roughly will die from it. Worldometer, the source that you use, only lists government numbers. Very few of those numbers are people who have been infected by Sars-Cov-2 and not shown any symptoms, i.e asymptomatic. There has been an increasing number of studies that seek to find out what the true infection rate and death rate are. Most of these studies conclude that it is roughly 0.05% some have even said that it is possibly less than that.

Where are those studies? The CDC say that the infection rate is 10x the confirmed rate, not 100x.

 

[masotime]

Here's why

it is stated (by experts including the former FDA commissioner) now by the end of summer (Aug/Sept) that 15% of the US population will be infected, including the entire bucket of Confirmed, Pre-Symptomatic, and Asymptomatic. So, 15% of the US population is approx is 49,500,000 people. If you estimate the death toll hits even 200,000 (projected by sept 1st 166,000, but let's round to the 200k), you get .004%.

The number of confirmed infections currently is 1 in 10. So, say you're at 26M right now infected, and by Sept it gets you to your 15% number.

This is the **** that isn't made public without digging into it.

That's 0.4%, not 0.004%. Please multiply by 100.

Let's make it public then. Link to credible sources for 15% estimate?