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Like they said the Apple Watch could do for health and fitness what the iPhone did for communication and mobile computing.

I'm considering getting one now.
 
I'm neither a mathematician nor a statistician, so I'm willing to be shown why my skepticism is way off base by somebody who is an expert in statistics.

But it doesn't seem to me that the numbers are all that significant, especially when the data from those 10,000 workouts was collected over a two-year period. That's only an average of 13 workouts per day.

I would think that for the data to be useful, one would need to study the workouts of hundreds, maybe even thousands, of test subjects, and that would amount to considerably more than 18,000 hours of data.

Again, I'm not an expert in this area, so maybe the figures really are significant. I would love somebody who is to enlighten me.

EDIT: Or, perhaps the phrase "workout sessions" refers not to individual workouts, but workouts featuring several people all at once. In that case, "10,000 workout sessions" could mean "120,000 individual workouts" if a dozen people were being studied at the same time. Still, the 18,000-hour figure seems rather small to me.

10,000 is a large sample size. Are you thinking about random samples needed to establish trends in larger groups? If so, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Apple is gathering the data needed to calibrate the Apple Watch across a wide variety of exercises, environments, and bodies. The part of the video I saw they were gathering data on calories burned. They don't need large random samples.
They'd need to get the Watch sensor readings vs. actual calories burned and adjust (or even help create) their exercise models based on that. 10,000 would cover a lot of cases if you were systematic (and Apple certainly looks systematic there.)
 
It's the same tech as all the wrist worn HRMs as far as anyone knows until someone takes it apart and says otherwise. Did they say if it does all day HRM or only for activities?

Significantly larger sensors on the apple watch. The Fitbit band and all others are tiny LEDs that often fail to penetrate arm hair
 
I wouldn't never expect Samsung to test a product like this, they just release crap and keep releasing different products till they get it right. So good on you Apple on the effort to get a good product out the first time...


Please tell me you're joking? PLEASE. TELL ME. YOU'RE JOKING.
Apple thoroughly tested all for all those Bluetooth, wireless and USB3, battery logic board and display issues right.
Come on get a hold of your self. This is ridiculous at best and shameless denial at worst.

All major manufacturers have test regimes. You think they tested as deeply or gleaned as much data as Ford did with something even as mundane as an F150?
You've seen engines run to destruction on a test bed right?

Sigh.......some one always gotta bring up Samsung.

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Try to imagine Samsung running 10,000 1–2 hour test sessions in a secret fitness lab over two years. Not very believable, is it? Neither the extreme pursuit of quality and usefulness, nor being years AHEAD of the industry instead of following 2 months behind the latest rumor about Apple...



I don't know if/when I'll want an Apple Watch, but I do know Apple goes way beyond the halfway spaghetti-on-the-wall product development practiced by the competition.


Why?
All those panels and memory bought FROM THEM BY APPLE would have been quite stringently researched and tested for ages to reach the point they're at with technology or d'you think they just got lucky?
There is some really senseless bashing of Samsung going on here.
 
Pretty cool, but expected. As a tech company as prestigious as Apple, you have to test it and perfect it otherwise your reputation will suffer.

But they don't do that for iPhone, iPad, MAC OS, IOS, etc…

Wish they spent that much attention on IOS.
 
Try to imagine Samsung running 10,000 1–2 hour test sessions in a secret fitness lab over two years. Not very believable, is it? Neither the extreme pursuit of quality and usefulness, nor being years AHEAD of the industry instead of following 2 months behind the latest rumor about Apple...

I don't know if/when I'll want an Apple Watch, but I do know Apple goes way beyond the halfway spaghetti-on-the-wall product development practiced by the competition.

This is why IOS and MAC OS suffer. All these people focussed on this nonsense. Get back to work and fix what's broke.
 
Please tell me you're joking? PLEASE. TELL ME. YOU'RE JOKING.
Apple thoroughly tested all for all those Bluetooth, wireless and USB3, battery logic board and display issues right.
Come on get a hold of your self. This is ridiculous at best and shameless denial at worst.

All major manufacturers have test regimes. You think they tested as deeply or gleaned as much data as Ford did with something even as mundane as an F150?
You've seen engines run to destruction on a test bed right?

Sigh.......some one always gotta bring up Samsung.

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Why?
All those panels and memory bought FROM THEM BY APPLE would have been quite stringently researched and tested for ages to reach the point they're at with technology or d'you think they just got lucky?
There is some really senseless bashing of Samsung going on here.

Lol, this is Macrumors. I would be surprised if somebody didn't bash Samsung, Google or any of the other Android manufacturers.
 
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But only health data between the hours of 9am and 5pm, the rest of the time the phone has to be charged lol

Battery life + apple = biggest tech joke ever :rolleyes:
 
A simple PR stunt to silence them who have early issues to report. I remember when they did this after the antennagate fiasco... didn't change the fact that my iPhone 4 still sucked when it came to finding a signal.
 
This is all for marketing and PR nonsense.

"Oh look, people running on machines. How amazing our product therefore is."

...or not.

Haha, that's what I thought. Seriously, the Apple Watch looks to me just like a glorified Jawbone. People who are really into fitness don't need that stuff. And it's still hamstrung by the need of an iPhone in range. My Polar is enough for me, and it doesn't need to be charged every frickin' day.
 
So really the Apple Watch Edition is a great deal. About $1 per hour studied...
 
Exactly, pure propaganda, what's next, Nightline visiting the FoxConn assembly line to see how the craftsmanship can still take place while standing for, oh that's right, we won't be seeing Ive wax poetic about that process in the next Apple product video.

Anyway that Apple Fitness dude added some more BS, he stated only you get to decide which apps can take your health data, but are there any apps that would function fully without taking your health information, doubtful.

Sad that Nightline, which used to be a real news show back in the day, can just be bought like this, if it is as you say.

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A simple PR stunt to silence them who have early issues to report. I remember when they did this after the antennagate fiasco... didn't change the fact that my iPhone 4 still sucked when it came to finding a signal.

My iPhone 4 never had a issue because I used a case and didn't hold it all weird.



All the same, your point about this being PR is fair.

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But they don't do that for iPhone, iPad, MAC OS, IOS, etc…

Wish they spent that much attention on IOS.

I don't think this is fair. Apple does frequent updates for bug fixes and security. My issue is with iOS 8 and letting Jony Ive redesign everything to look pretty. They spent who knows how many hours to add useless animations, remove drop shadows, and bloat up everything. Meanwhile, Jony's iPhone designs have been about as bland as they could possible make them...well, not quite as horrendous as the Apple watch, but still pablum designed by committee.
 
I will admit, to me this really just says:

Our device cannot accurately monitor anything, like the proper medical expensive equipment here can.

So, we are collecting data, so that when our device reads something (all that it can, given it's just a cheap consumer device with a monitoring device that costs a few dollars)

We can then use this poor data, and try and match it up with this accurate data and give you some rough idea on the watch.

Oh, and "please note any health data displayed by the watch is to be used as a guide only"
 
Please tell me you're joking? PLEASE. TELL ME. YOU'RE JOKING.
Apple thoroughly tested all for all those Bluetooth, wireless and USB3, battery logic board and display issues right.
Come on get a hold of your self. This is ridiculous at best and shameless denial at worst.

All major manufacturers have test regimes. You think they tested as deeply or gleaned as much data as Ford did with something even as mundane as an F150?
You've seen engines run to destruction on a test bed right?

Sigh.......some one always gotta bring up Samsung.

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Why?
All those panels and memory bought FROM THEM BY APPLE would have been quite stringently researched and tested for ages to reach the point they're at with technology or d'you think they just got lucky?
There is some really senseless bashing of Samsung going on here.

FINALLY someone saying it how it is on one of these forums! This blind devotion for the Apple juggernaut has created a personality cult for the brand. I would call myself an Apple fan, but some people go way beyond that, to excusing the company for its misgivings, whilst bashing other companies for their equivalents. The day people stop criticising is the day Apple stops making good products.

Some criticism of Apple is ridiculous as well, though ;)
 
I would think that for the data to be useful, one would need to study the workouts of hundreds, maybe even thousands, of test subjects, and that would amount to considerably more than 18,000 hours of data.

Well, as guinea pig #46,701 in the Stanford "My Heart" ResearchKit study (iPhone 6, Apple Watch), I'd say that in the first week we have added to the numbers just a bit.

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But only health data between the hours of 9am and 5pm, the rest of the time the phone has to be charged lol

Battery life + apple = biggest tech joke ever :rolleyes:

If your phone takes 16 hours to charge, you do have a problem. Or a vivid imagination.
 
iCloud 5GB ultra-tiny allowance…
iWatch collecting tons of data….

Apple just found a business opportunity here.

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I would like to get those health monitoring sensors without the iWatch, and have it linked to my iPhone.
Is that possible?
 
telemetry?

Really looking forward to seeing how accurate the heart rate monitor is on the iWatch. For all the sensors they removed from prototypes, this should be a home run, right?

Anyone know how the heartrate sensor compares to the one that will be on the up3? same technology?

It would actually be really cool, if someone ties in a consumer purchasable, and user applicable telemetry vest for a really accurate cardio picture.
 
I will admit, to me this really just says:

Our device cannot accurately monitor anything, like the proper medical expensive equipment here can.

So, we are collecting data, so that when our device reads something (all that it can, given it's just a cheap consumer device with a monitoring device that costs a few dollars)

We can then use this poor data, and try and match it up with this accurate data and give you some rough idea on the watch.

Oh, and "please note any health data displayed by the watch is to be used as a guide only"

Heartrate in itself is not a good indication of anything. It's subject to so many variables and is rarely used by professional sports persons.

Cyclists wouldn't go near heart rate and often don't record it in training. They'll use a power meter for watts along with cadence & lactate testing.

Runners won't use it much either. They'll also use lactate testing within number or strides and distance and time.

Why would nornal persons want heart rate is beyond me. It really doesn't mean much at all as an isolated metric.
 
Please tell me you're joking? PLEASE. TELL ME. YOU'RE JOKING.
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Come on get a hold of your self. This is ridiculous at best and shameless denial at worst.

All major manufacturers have test regimes. You think they tested as deeply or gleaned as much data as Ford did with something even as mundane as an F150?


Did you buy yourself S9110 from Samsung? Did you buy the first galaxy gear? Those are perfect examples of failed products not because of the individual hardware, but the combination of hardware and interface wasn't tested for it's purpose. Have you tried one of there smart TVs? TV is great, the smart features are horrible..... So not shameless, a valid criticism from a consumer. And I think Samsung phones are amazing phone hardware, thank the gods that they use Andriod as there OS. Because you know, there phones were amazing and amazing and market leaders.. like there SGH-i607 BlackJack (windows phone), Instinct (some crap OS), Omnia (windows)

Please.. from your expert opinion, describe your experience with these products....... and how the user experience was considered...

I"m the first one to bash apple when they deserve, but one thing I give them merit for is in general (there are always exceptions), they have taken the time to try and get the product mostly right with a solid interface. Maybe that is why they are the most valued company in the world... ;)


While I have thousands of dollars of samsung products, all I get is a jumble of features with no worry about interface and execution. So after a plethora of Samsung products, I am not joking and speak from experience, I am disappointed that they rush to market and advertise features that haven't been well thought out. In this news/propaganda video, it does highlight that apple took the time to really test out what was useful. They wanted to go into a new field, got a data set, and took the time to release a product that does on the outset seem that is is better thought out then other smartwatches on the market. I'll have to wait to try it, but I don't see it flopping like the S9110 or the first galaxies.

So I expect you to start flaming again with more insults at whatever elementary schoolyard you learned them from.
 
18k hours?? Wow that's a lot. Almost like how many karats the Gold :apple:Watch is(18K)
 
I'm neither a mathematician nor a statistician, so I'm willing to be shown why my skepticism is way off base by somebody who is an expert in statistics.

But it doesn't seem to me that the numbers are all that significant, especially when the data from those 10,000 workouts was collected over a two-year period. That's only an average of 13 workouts per day.
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Calibration is an important aspect of developing any measuring system. 18000 hours is a very large sample for a system that really isn't all that important. A heart monitoring system in a hospital is important. A fitness gadget is not.
 
Heartrate in itself is not a good indication of anything. It's subject to so many variables and is rarely used by professional sports persons.

Cyclists wouldn't go near heart rate and often don't record it in training. They'll use a power meter for watts along with cadence & lactate testing.

Runners won't use it much either. They'll also use lactate testing within number or strides and distance and time.

Why would nornal persons want heart rate is beyond me. It really doesn't mean much at all as an isolated metric.

For the normal consumer who knows little to nothing about health.
Saying you can record/show and offer details based upon heart rate is probably the easiest, and simplest thing for a general consumer to understand.

Or be "sold on" as a feature. Everything else it probably too vague and would need too much explanation. Just saying monitoring your heart rate is a basic, simple thing to understand.

Irrespective of what use it actually is, other than telling you, you are still alive!
 
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