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It doesn't matter how much cheaper windows PC's are when they don't really work that well.
If I was apple I would be poking fun at how a PC user must know the number 1 technique for making life bearable with windows- what is it??
Three little words
CONTROL
ALT
DELETE
If I was apple I would be poking fun at how a PC user must know the number 1 technique for making life bearable with windows- what is it??
Three little words
CONTROL
ALT
DELETE
Would you please force quit these anecdotes based on Windows 95? The NT-based systems have been around for quite some time....
Hmmm ...
This is territory I would love to learn more about. Has anyone done this? My next major purchase will probably be the Mac Pro, and the idea of using one video card for Mac OS X and one for Windows gaming sure does sound ideal for hard core gamers who just love Macs!
However, the last I checked, you could configure a Mac Pro with one of two cards: the nVidia GeForce GT 120 or the ATI Radeon HD 4870. Both come with 512MB vRAM and appear to be great for gaming. Would you even NEED to install a second card for Windows gaming? Are the games so complex now that you need something better than the stock selection of graphics cards from Apple on the Pro?
... I was always under the impression that both OS's allow you to select which card you want to use, in effect "turning the other off". Even if the other one isn't Windows/Mac compatible it wouldn't matter because the appropriate card could be set to default.
Wow this is really getting into some swampy territory.
This is territory I would love to learn more about. Has anyone done this? My next major purchase will probably be the Mac Pro, and the idea of using one video card for Mac OS X and one for Windows gaming sure does sound ideal for hard core gamers who just love Macs!
However, the last I checked, you could configure a Mac Pro with one of two cards: the nVidia GeForce GT 120 or the ATI Radeon HD 4870. Both come with 512MB vRAM and appear to be great for gaming. Would you even NEED to install a second card for Windows gaming? Are the games so complex now that you need something better than the stock selection of graphics cards from Apple on the Pro?
both cards are weak
Look for a better card for your Windows system:
However, the last I checked, you could configure a Mac Pro with one of two cards: the nVidia GeForce GT 120 or the ATI Radeon HD 4870. Both come with 512MB vRAM and appear to be great for gaming. Would you even NEED to install a second card for Windows gaming? Are the games so complex now that you need something better than the stock selection of graphics cards from Apple on the Pro?
Look for a better card for your Windows system:
LOL!
No, it really isn't / wasn't. This coming from someone who owned a DELL XPS M1710 laptop that came with me across country to vacation in Oregon. Unless you typically fly first or business class, prepare to be disappointed at the workout and space restrictions.
Not to mention feeling like an airport hobo - scrounging around to find a wall socket to plug into before the next flight!
Loved the laptop ... but buying it was really meant for someone who liked to move the computer from room to room; not at the desk permanently, and definitely not for travel to Starbucks or the local La Fonera hotspot!
Still, it handled many games quite nicely.
That's it in a nutshell. I too am very happy with my Mac, and no amount of calling it overpriced (and some of the other crap I've read here) is going to change that. I'm not sure why some people can't just accept that my choice is different to theirs and move on.
I really wish Microsoft would show these adverts on TV over here in the UK (unless I missed them?). My MBP already brings gasps of envious wonder from my clients, it'll just add to the wow factor if they see Microsoft reaffirming how cool and exclusive it is.
LOL!
No, it really isn't / wasn't. This coming from someone who owned a DELL XPS M1710 laptop that came with me across country to vacation in Oregon. Unless you typically fly first or business class, prepare to be disappointed at the workout and space restrictions.
Not to mention feeling like an airport hobo - scrounging around to find a wall socket to plug into before the next flight!
Loved the laptop ... but buying it was really meant for someone who liked to move the computer from room to room; not at the desk permanently, and definitely not for travel to Starbucks or the local La Fonera hotspot!
Still, it handled many games quite nicely.
I would wager that a lot of netbooks are purchased by people who have/want a powerful desktop replacement system for home, and a super portable system for travel.
Nice to have a choice...
I used to have to carry around a Dell Workstation laptop around the city and on trips; powerful machine, horrible for mobility though. So I agree.
This isn't directed at you, but for that who he's referencing. Anyone can stay here, that's just fine and dandy. But I have to wonder; if you hate Macs, and don't like OS X either, I'm missing the point. In what way is it fun to be here? Again, everyone's obviously free to post here or anywhere, it's just a bit baffling to me. It's like me going to a Chevy board when I hate Chevys due to a really bad experience I had with owning one of their trucks (true, btw).
No, I'm not saying it directly correlates, I'm merely pointing out it's possible to exploit Macs. I'm not saying "there's 7% market share, therefore 7% of malware is for OS X". Clearly that's not the case. However the recent OS X botnet shows that OS X isn't invincible, nor is it completely ignored by malware writers.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=3157
Mosx said:
Chappers main point was that clearly iLife is useful to a lot of people, as evidenced by the number of websites done in iWeb, the number of boards dedicated to Garageband usage, and so on.
But according to you, an app must be professionally used to be relevant. Hmm.....interesting.
Well I'd say software developers on both sides have some considerable cleaning up to do! MS better get rid of Songsmith and MovieMaker. EA and other game developers better just pack up shop completely.
It is indeed stable now, and it is secure. It is also dog slow compared to XP and 7 though. Thank God 7 is right around the corner. Hopefully. I'm quite enjoying 7 Beta, and look forward to the RC next month.
Absolutely. However it's been crystal clear that it is this way since '97. If the machines don't fit your needs, buy one of many Windows machines that do. As our dear friend Mosx says, there's nothing a Mac can do that a Windows machine can't do.
AidenShaw said:
And I'll probably be getting a netbook too, as my Dell is going to my wife to use so she has something other than her desktop, and I'd like to have a sub 3 pounder for quick and dirty stuff. I'll probably load either Ubuntu 9.04 or Win7......haven't decided. Would like to wait for a netbook to come out with the nVidia Ion chipset though.
Sorry. That part didn't make sense... Why desktop replacement? Why not just desktop/what's wrong with just desktop (esp since you have a netbook)?
I'd definitely take a look at the HD4870. The GT 120 is just another nVidia rebrand of the 9500GT a.k.a. 8600GT.This is territory I would love to learn more about. Has anyone done this? My next major purchase will probably be the Mac Pro, and the idea of using one video card for Mac OS X and one for Windows gaming sure does sound ideal for hard core gamers who just love Macs!
However, the last I checked, you could configure a Mac Pro with one of two cards: the nVidia GeForce GT 120 or the ATI Radeon HD 4870. Both come with 512MB vRAM and appear to be great for gaming. Would you even NEED to install a second card for Windows gaming? Are the games so complex now that you need something better than the stock selection of graphics cards from Apple on the Pro?
you don't get the sarcasm...
Don't you see that the ads are sarcastic with the "cool" comments, implying the "cool" is now "uncool"?
Space reasons - many people don't have the space for a desktop, or don't want to "display" their computer all of the time.
For them, a powerful laptop that can be put on a shelf or in a drawer when not is use is desired - even if it never leaves the house.
Don't you see that the ads are sarcastic with the "cool" comments, implying the "cool" is now "uncool"?
Space reasons - many people don't have the space for a desktop, or don't want to "display" their computer all of the time.
For them, a powerful laptop that can be put on a shelf or in a drawer when not is use is desired - even if it never leaves the house.
Its just when someone keeps talking as an expert of all matters from business, film making the music industry and of course computers. Well I think its fair to ask what your background is. I won't think any less of you either way
Don't forget Home Entertainment Systems, he's a world authority on those too. With his Logitech speakers.
I think he'll withdraw that point if you can point out any respectable bands who have made money out of Songsmith.
Well in my experience people who have the capital to afford both a desktop replacement and a netbook usually has a home spacious enough, and has no problems "display"-ing their computer.
If you want it tucked away you can always conceal it... and you can always unplug the wires if you want to "hide" it... Just remember to keep that place ventilated, and you're good to go. AND you can always buy a smaller case... but that might significantly hamper your ability to put a high-end motherboard in..
I think he'll withdraw that case if you can point out any respectable bands who have made money out of songsmith.
Don't forget that movie at Cannes last year that was done entirely in MovieMaker......what was it again? Oh wait, there wasn't one.
I guess MovieMaker shouldn't exist then, because no one's using it professionally!
I just listed, off the top of my head, some of the elements in Vista that enjoy torturing the hard disk. My CoreDuo 2.0 GHz laptop with 2 GB of RAM and a 100 GB 5400 RPM drive shipped with XP Pro, at the time (early 2006) it was the fastest laptop I'd ever tried, and the most silent by far. I had to play a 3D shooter to bring the fan up to audible revs.Defrag is scheduled for 01:00 in the morning once a week - not a constant background task. You FAIL on this one, Apple fanboi!
What do you mean by "virtual memory"? Both NT and OSX run with virtual memory at all times... And both do GPU compositing of screen elements.
After installing Vista Ultimate, the fan is never quiet unless I switch to power saver mode and leave the machine completely idle for 15-20 minutes. Open a couple of IE windows or something and the fan goes fffsssshhhhhhhhh again. Run Balanced or High Performance mode and the fan goes up to the same RPM I could only get with XP after an hour of playing Doom 3 or something. And then there's the hard disk torture. Vista gets me to the login screen faster than XP, but after the desktop has appeared the HD is chattering like crazy for 5 minutes and the HD LED is constantly on. It gets really interesting if you use ReadyBoost, between SuperFetch preloading gigs into RAM and ReadyBoost loading gigs onto a Flash dongle I can go out to lunch before the machine is ready. Throw in half a dozen Sidebar gadgets and some stuff that autoloads to the system tray, and what you have is a competition for the hard drive's attention that resembles throwing a rabbit into the midst of a starving pack of wolves. The good thing about OS X is that when booting is complete and it shows you the desktop, the system is all yours.
I think that Vista is a bigger power hog than OS X on average, but that Vista has more aggressive and dynamic power saving features. Vista will run the battery down quicker than OSX if you use both systems full blast, but in power saver mode Vista can basically go on forever.
You don't need a tin foil hat for that. They're deliberately holding back BootCamp drivers for stuff like the multi-touch trackpad, and the drivers they did bother to provide suck. Like the keyboard driver that ruins firewire performance (no other keyboard driver in the world does this). I'm convinced that they're intentionally trying to make Windows worse than it is, this has been going on for a long time. Back in the Win98/2K days, no application could screw with your system more than QuickTime could, I bet there were lines of code in there that did stuff like "freeze the system for 2 minutes, crash all other applications and disable Ctrl+Alt+Del".
This is why I'd never recommend buying an Apple to run Windows - you're dependent on Apple for support.
I know that's a typo, but doesn't mean it can't be funny..
He was being sarcastic, I think.
Nor do I think that Apple actually wrote the drivers... They would be too lazy for that... The manufacturers did that, and all Apple did was put them together. As for the fans, it probably just BIOS-EFI compatibility. XP and Vista is not designed to run on EFI..
I know... it's like trusting your life savings to Bernie Madoff.
They don't dare make it look bad on the Mac Pro, though. It's the only Mac with official support for 64-bit Vista. The MBP doesn't have official support for 64-bit Windows, which is probably why everyone's complaining about stuff like overheating, no fan control etc.
Hey, a 100 MB hard drive isn't too shabby.I know that's a typo, but doesn't mean it can't be funny..
Once I had an Atari MEGA 4 (it stands for 4 MB of RAM), it had a fan that sounded like a hairdryer.
I had to pay a fortune for a 30 MB hard drive (the unit under the computer in this pic) that sounded like a vacuum cleaner. And I used the damn thing to make music on, which was odd given that the system was so noisy you could barely hear the phone ring.
That does happen a lot, but I'm serious. Apple is sabotaging Windows on Macs.
Yeah, but there's a difference between "a bit hotter" and "my computer turned into a furnace, I fried two eggs on it and saw a bunch of ghost graphics before the system shut down spontaneously from the intense heat. Are my fingers supposed to glow in the dark?".
Do you want me to conjecture about how it might be XP/Vista-EFI incompatibilities?
(But yeah, Apple could've paid more attention on Boot Camp compatibility; but about the EFI thing people have expected Microsoft to adopt it since 2000 when Linux distros started adding that compatibility...)
But then Apple didn't expect people to buy their computers to run Windows full-time... They expect you to just install Boot Camp to run the occasional Windows program that you really need that's not compatible with OS X.
How is Apple responsible for supplying Windows based drivers? Apple does not need to supply ANYTHING for Windows. The fact that Apple even developed Bootcamp and the necessary drivers to run it is surprising. As such, how is Apple responsible for Windows running "hot" or imperfectly? I've run XP on my Mac Pro perfectly and even Vista. No issues. Before Apple supplied updated drivers for Windows I went out and installed the drivers independently for RealTEK audio, nVidia graphics, Intel drivers, etc. No issues. Blaming Apple for Windows issues seems a tad illogical.
Hey, a 100 MB hard drive isn't too shabby.
Once I had an Atari MEGA 4 (it stands for 4 MB of RAM), it had a fan that sounded like a hairdryer.
I had to pay a fortune for a 30 MB hard drive (the unit under the computer in this pic) that sounded like a vacuum cleaner. And I used the damn thing to make music on, which was odd given that the system was so noisy you could barely hear the phone ring.
No, I was just giggling at the HDD that's smaller than the RAM, with XP installed on it (XP requires 1.5GB)...