Apple-Commissioned Study Highlights Success of Third-Party Apps

[I7guy]

Wrong. I want increased regulations on big tech. Other people here want regulations on big tech. Some people may very well only want their data regulated. It’s incorrect to claim people don’t want the former though. Plenty of evidence on this very forum says otherwise.[…]

Do “people” vs “all people” generally mean 100%?. I for one do not want this regulation. There are others on the forum that don’t either. But nowhere did I claim that the earths population without exception want this regulation. Spin it as you may.

 

[vipergts2207]

Do “people” vs “all people” generally mean 100%?. I for one do not want this regulation. There are others on the forum that don’t either. But nowhere did I claim that the earths population without exception want this regulation. Spin it as you may.

Using the term ‘people’ without qualifiers such as ‘generally,’ ‘most,’ ‘some’, etcetera typically refers to everyone or at least almost everyone. Considering that you’re trying to dismiss the need for regulation because of “people” not wanting it, it would seem that you yourself are referring to everyone or almost everyone.

 

[genovelle]

"Draconian" is subjective. I don't see why Apple should be obligated to open up its software on its hardware that it invested in. In fact, some people even argue Apple should open up all of its API's.

What this means, in essence, is that Apple develops this great product - its hardware and software - and now other people are demanding to profit off of it. That seems unfair to me, especially with so many other options being available.

Can you please explain what the difference is between Apple being forced to open its API's, forced to allow third-party app stores, or alternate payment systems, and a store being told they should be forced to accept crypto, a restaurant being forced to sell a specific food item, etc.? And again, this is assuming there are other choices, as there clearly are with Apple.

In fact, even within Apple's own "walled garden", its not that hard to bypass the in-app purchase system. Netflix, Hulu and probably hundreds of other apps do it. Web apps can be developed to bypass the App store entirely.

This is akin to watching someone buy property, invest in renovating it and building a successful business, and then me walking in and demanding to profit from it. If I sell something on ebay, I do so knowing what the commission and fees are. I shouldn't be able to demand ebay list all of my products for free, and demand they accept payments that they currently don't.

*Actually, I'll go a step further. Forcing Apple to offer alternate app stores would require Apple to tweak its hardware and software to such a degree, it would be akin to me going to a store and not only demanding they sell my products for a low commission that I personally find acceptable, but also demanding they build a new wing onto their store - at their expense - to sell my products.

The first version of iOS had no app store. What if they had simply never opened an app store? Should they have been forced to create one? And if not, why should they be forced to tweak what they have in place now, that thousands of developers profit off?

I’d like to expand on your step further. I’d say the the alternative store is akin to forcing Walmart to open a Target wing in their stores to compete with them directly with free rent and profit sharing.

 

[I7guy]

Using the term ‘people’ without qualifiers such as ‘generally,’ ‘most,’ ‘some’, etcetera typically refers to everyone or at least almost everyone. Considering that you’re trying to dismiss the need for regulation because of “people” not wanting it, it would seem that you yourself are referring to everyone or almost everyone.

So I hope the clarification helped your understanding. Some people vs people are irrelevant because you or I don’t have a Macrumors poll to say if “some people” refers to billions or refers to 3. There are a community of people, for it, against it or don’t care one way or another.

I clearly do not want this type of legislation, however it’s out of my control if the legislation passes. Similar to if it doesn’t get passed in the US it’s out of your control.

 

[MacAddict1978]

Looks like Apple is being more transparent now. Apple may have been forced to publish this report.

This is not transparency. This is an attempt to look like they have created a utopia for developers and to argue developers can still do business outside the app store so let us still be able to black ball them without sanctions please while we compare app categories that have nothing to do with the apps we force on everyone and control.

 

[I7guy]

This is not transparency. This is an attempt to look like they have created a utopia for developers and to argue developers can still do business outside the app store so let us still be able to black ball them without sanctions please while we compare app categories that have nothing to do with the apps we force on everyone and control.

This is exactly what Apple did. Created a utopia for developers to make a buck or two or a million without any major financial investment on the devs end, except for their own development costs. And yes, most devs where finances, life and other important to survival in this day and age can do business outside of the app store.

 

[Maximara]

Then why wasn’t it done in the Epic case? That was the perfect opportunity to do such a thing. Lawmakers also don’t seem to agree with you either since they’re writing legislation.

In a way it was via state law which gave the judge a large amount of layaway - too much in fact as Hoeg stated when he went over that case and as he predicted the Ninth Circuit gave that ruling the hairy eyeball and effectively put it on the shelf.

The lawmakers are either trying to get brownie points (US) or are using the Law to do what amounts to protectionism without passing tariffs as their own industries are not innovative enough to complete (EU).

If the US lawmakers really wanted to fight monopolies why aren't they working on a law that makes the internet a utility and reign in the numbers local monopolies that exist in the US? Those effect far more people than Apple does.

 

[vipergts2207]

In a way it was via state law which gave the judge a large amount of layaway - too much in fact as Hoeg stated when he went over that case and as he predicted the Ninth Circuit gave that ruling the hairy eyeball and effectively put it on the shelf.

The lawmakers are either trying to get brownie points (US) or are using the Law to do what amounts to protectionism without passing tariffs as their own industries are not innovative enough to complete (EU).

If the US lawmakers really wanted to fight monopolies why aren't they working on a law that makes the internet a utility and reign in the numbers local monopolies that exist in the US? Those effect far more people than Apple does.

The only thing the state law got Epic was forcing Apple to allow developers to use links and other calls to action in their own apps. Were your claims true that judges were likely to enforce regulations like the ones being put into bills, without actually needing the bills, Epic would’ve been allowed to put their own payment system into their apps, among other things. But they weren’t allowed to do that because your claim is wrong.

The answer to your last question is $$$.

 

[fermat-au]

I’m sure this report contains no bias…

Of course there is not bias, if there was even the slight hint of bias against Apple they would have not published the study

 

[The Phazer]

Why? Microsoft shouldn’t be able to sell their own software for their own operating system? That’s absurd. It shouldn’t be the only allowed method of distribution though.

No, they absolutely shouldn't. Given Microsoft thought being forced to divest the Windows and Office businesses from each other by competition regulators was so likely around the year 2000 that the entire company was structured around being able to complete that process in less than six months (and it still is today in many ways) I'm not the only person to think so, either.

 

[akbarali.ch]

Third party app stores would be much better. Thanks apple.

But Samsung and host of other iPhone like phones are out there that do exactly what you want. Why you want iPhone to be like Android? Why the trouble? Simply buy an Android.

 

[Alex W.]

App Store blows, its crap. Compare android apps endless free tools to empower the user.
IOS App Store is a deserted wasteland, and when you find something that might work, 9.99 ( It usually doesn't, lol).

Having used IOS religiously for the past 4+ years, and comparing when I use android from time to time, iOS feels like it has 1/10th the selection, even less. Its probably worse than this depending on the search term. And there's a ton of scam apps out of the 5 choices you get; not even kidding apples closed ecosystem is rotten as hell. Not just that Yelp still being on apple maps tells you everything you need to know.

Search cleaner -- all scam apps that charges 40/mo that do nothing. Having both devices I'll flat out admin IOS App Store is trash vs android when it comes to what's avalible, useful stuff too.

The whole gated garden is ******** on IOS its less selection, less quality and just as much risk to getting scammed if not higher due to lack of selection with free apps.

Wifi scanners, nope not on IOS only on OSX, window and android. Facebook lite? Only on android; or Albania for IOS lol.

Apple needs to open side loading up asap, because this App Store is ****.
Its not even defendable anymore, people rant developing for IOS much anymore and its dying off - the selection of apps shows this. Apple will spin it 10 ways, but it bottom line is useful tools and apps are not on iOS due to apple.

Open it up.

 

[I7guy]

App Store blows, its crap. Compare android apps endless free tools to empower the user.
IOS App Store is a deserted wasteland, and when you find something that might work, 9.99 ( It usually doesn't, lol).

Having used IOS religiously for the past 4+ years, and comparing when I use android from time to time, iOS feels like it has 1/10th the selection, even less. Its probably worse than this depending on the search term. And there's a ton of scam apps out of the 5 choices you get; not even kidding apples closed ecosystem is rotten as hell. Not just that Yelp still being on apple maps tells you everything you need to know.

Search cleaner -- all scam apps that charges 40/mo that do nothing. Having both devices I'll flat out admin IOS App Store is trash vs android when it comes to what's avalible, useful stuff too.

The whole gated garden is ******** on IOS its less selection, less quality and just as much risk to getting scammed if not higher due to lack of selection with free apps.

Wifi scanners, nope not on IOS only on OSX, window and android. Facebook lite? Only on android; or Albania for IOS lol.

Apple needs to open side loading up asap, because this App Store is ****.
Its not even defendable anymore, people rant developing for IOS much anymore and its dying off - the selection of apps shows this. Apple will spin it 10 ways, but it bottom line is useful tools and apps are not on iOS due to apple.

Open it up.

You just highlighted why sideloading is bad not good.