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Apple_Robert

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Sep 21, 2012
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In the middle of several books.
Your phone, like your home, is your private property. Explicit permission or a warrant is needed to access anything that's stored on your device.
That is true. And with every iOS update, the owner of the phone has the option to agree (or not) to the new terms of use. If people don't want the scanning to be done on device, don't update to iOS 15.
 

Rafagon

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Jun 19, 2011
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"User devices will download an unreadable database of known CSAM image hashes and will do an on-device comparison to the user's own photos, flagging them for known CSAM material before they're uploaded to iCloud Photos."

How much space is this database going to take up on my phone?! ?

I have to pay the price for the sickos who are into these kinds of photos.
 

Rafagon

macrumors 6502a
Jun 19, 2011
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Not as obnoxious as saying we shouldn’t do everything we reasonably can to protect exploited children and punish their abusers because we don’t want to allow a harmless and fully automated scan that affects us in no way at all.
It's using my phone battery charge to do this scan. And they're putting a database on my phone that takes up who knows how much space.

Millions of people, like me, who are not into this sick **** have to pay the price because of a small number of sickos who are into this.

I don't purchase an expensive phone and expect to waste my battery power and storage space for this "feature." I'm not a policeman. Let the cops do that work with their own resources. Stop using my phone to try to save the world, Apple.
 

antiprotest

macrumors 68040
Apr 19, 2010
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I am not

What's next....constant gps readings and location data being sent to the police if you are over speed limits; hackers instead of merely locking you out of files, not download these images on your devices with a bitcoin ransom; images/text that are against a political regime now result in arrest warrants....you name it
Or, as I wrote in another post:

I think it is terribly backward for Apple to detect crime after it has happened. By the time they have done all that hashing and verifying and reporting, many children have already been hurt.

Presumably predators and other criminals display certain patterns of behavior before and during their crimes. Apple should take SIRI (now Seriously Invasive Rectal Insertion) to the next level and make it detect patterns of motion, interests and preferences (web sites, reading materials, pictures, length of time spent on each item, etc.), facial expressions when taking selfies and video calls, and content of texts, emails, and conversations -- yes, "hash" everything to death so that you can still call yourself a privacy company -- and then report those scumbags to the relevant agencies before they can commit the crime. The data collected by SIRI would be the evidence in court to convict the people, showing that they will indeed commit those crimes in the future.

Then we will finally end up with the glorious Minority Report scenario that we have desperately longed for. False positive you say? Come on, you're arguing just to be arguing. You are so ignorant. You must not understand software engineering. There's less than one in a trillion trillion trillion chance. SIRI doesn't see what you intend to do, only what you will do. And suppose it really happens to you, all you have to be is Tom Cruise.

Think different.
 
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cmaier

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Jul 25, 2007
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How much space is this database going to take up on my phone?! ?

I have to pay the price for the sickos who are into these kinds of photos.

The country is going into the crapper. People complaining about a few MB to protect kids. Sheesh.
 

George Dawes

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I'm more worried about all the bank info , passwords, screengrabs etc I've got stored in the cloud than any porn stuff

Where's the security then ???
 

baypharm

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Nov 15, 2007
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The country is going into the crapper. People complaining about a few MB to protect kids. Sheesh.
Acrually I don’t see this as an adjunct to helping decrease human trafficking. There is a much larger beast here that is about invasive intrusion into the very reaches of our thoughts.
 

baypharm

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Nov 15, 2007
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I'm more worried about all the bank info , passwords, screengrabs etc I've got stored in the cloud than any porn stuff

Where's the security then ???
We were warned by Snowden years and yearsvago not to use any cloud service. It is not secure in any way shape or form. Just don’t use it.
 
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Le0M

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Aug 13, 2020
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I'm incredibly disappointed by Apple.
I held on to its devices for their quality and more recently for their privacy, and I really wouldn't know what to do without feeling that I'm backed up by someone in this regard.
It's just such a shame.
I truly, TRULY hope Apple will admit this was a terrible idea, and work even harder to increase privacy for its users.
We need privacy. The world has gone mad.

Let me have that little elbowroom, that air for my lungs, in this crazy society, in these difficult times.

Please Apple, keep being on our side.
 
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bushman4

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Mar 22, 2011
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Your phone, like your home, is your private property. Explicit permission or a warrant is needed to access anything that's stored on your device.
You don’t need a warrant if you are agreeing to CSAM by downloading iOS 15
 
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ericwn

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Apr 24, 2016
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It's using my phone battery charge to do this scan. And they're putting a database on my phone that takes up who knows how much space.

Millions of people, like me, who are not into this sick **** have to pay the price because of a small number of sickos who are into this.

I don't purchase an expensive phone and expect to waste my battery power and storage space for this "feature." I'm not a policeman. Let the cops do that work with their own resources. Stop using my phone to try to save the world, Apple.

Very well said. It’s completely out of proportion as usual with all the fear topics.
 
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ThunderSkunk

macrumors 68040
Dec 31, 2007
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By having a cellphone you actually are giving up all your privacy
Unfortunately we all need an iPhone for one reason or another
Well, not need as such, but perhaps “need” in the american sense, of seeing other people with a thing, and therefore needing to possess that thing yourself, in order to move on to the next thing, to some far off day be truly happy.

After a good decade of sitting cellphones out, I thought I’d try having one again for the summer again. When its a steady trickle of minor intrusions into peoples lives just ramping up a little each year, they‘ll go tell themselves whatever they have to and along with anything, so its an easy thing to go along with. Having just gone through all the preferences and signups at once, it’s surprisingly obvious this thing, especially its popular services, and the companies behind them, are 100% parasitic and the users are meat.
 

StralyanPithecus

macrumors 6502
Why is that I don't really care about CSAM being scanned on my phone? Maybe is because I don't take nude pictures of anyone, specially without consent, and don't have any "intimate" photos?

As for the people that have the concern that this tool can be used against our freedoms, I understand you, but it's not so easy to use this tool for that purpose, and most less freedom friendly governments have at their disposition a huge arsenal of tools to use. As for companies, your wallet is your best weapon.
 
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