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I'm curious as to why any "observers" thought that something that is wifi-only would use cell minutes.
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Bill as data over 3G

Bill as data over 3G. End of story. Lets ditch the whole voice / minutes thing anyway. DAta is the way to go. If I could get rid of my voice plan I would in a heartbeat.

Even more reason to keep AT&T's unlimited data plan ;)
 
Ok correct me if I'm wrong. But facetime only works iPhone to iPhone right?
So iPhone to iPhone means AT&T to AT&T right?
Why that would waste minutes hen AT&T to AT&T is free minutes. Mobile to mobile?
Why would that matters? Just checking

That's pretty much right except for people who have the 450 minutes plan. Your night minutes will be used first before your M2M.
 
Why is this news? Facetime only works over wifi - why would it eat into cell minutes

Why is this news? Facetime only works over wifi - why would it eat into cell minutes
 
they should really let people make regular phone calls over wifi too. I think this would in part remedy their sometimes spotty service. For me, their service is mostly fine, but I do have occasional problems at my house and would definitely appreciate a regular wifi calling option.
 
I sure wish they hadn't changed anything, and kept unlimited. I also wish I had upgraded to a 3G unlimited plan so at least I had an option to keep mine. Hey, how would an iPhone 4 be with an unlimited Edge data contract? :p



Heyyy... If Steve Jobs doesn't get it at his house, you won't see it any sooner than him!
Odd, when you upgraded it didn't give the the option to choose what data plan you wanted? My wife got the option go upgrade to an unlimited 3G plan from her EGDE plan.
 
Ok correct me if I'm wrong. But facetime only works iPhone to iPhone right?
So iPhone to iPhone means AT&T to AT&T right?
Why that would waste minutes hen AT&T to AT&T is free minutes. Mobile to mobile?
Why would that matters? Just checking

This makes sense. It clears up my confusion, duhhh
 
Face time require iPhone to iPhone connection....all iPhone to iPhone calls are free anyway because we are all forced to be on AT&T. Won't have to worry at all. (until a verizon iPhone in which case well all move over there!!)

Edit: And I see now someone just mentioned that!!
 
Since this thread is being flooded with people asking the same question, I thought this could be useful.

I'm curious as to why any "observers" thought that something that is wifi-only would use cell minutes.

Original post said:
Some observers wonder[ed] whether the phone connection would be maintained in the background as a fallback in case the video call fails, but eating up cellular minutes while doing so

Although I didn't think it would work this way, I can see why some would think it might. According to that scenario, which Apple has confirmed will NOT be the case, the phone connection would have been maintained in case FaceTime failed, and/or to continue the conversation after you decide to end FaceTime but want to continue talking over the phone (after you get tired of jumpy video because those 570 bloggers won't get off the darn WiFi network, for example :D). So it makes perfect sense that the phone could keep your call connected, but fortunately in my opinion, Apple has chosen not to do this. Once FaceTime starts, the call ends, which is the way it should be.

It will be interesting to see how well (or poorly) FaceTime works over WiFi, in terms of
* initiating a FaceTime session: Hopefully it will be something better than Back to My Mac, which still gives people woes.
* and in terms of quality: How will it deal with slower or fluctuating speeds?

I am unfortunate enough to have AT&T not only as my cell carrier but as my ISP, and reliability is not their strong suit...Unlike some people though my 3G with them is actually pretty reliable, it's their DSL that gives me constant headaches. I'll have to see how iPhone 4's release affects both of these networks (any added demand on the 3G from increased # of iPhones, and any strain on my DSL connection when I use FaceTime).
 
Ok correct me if I'm wrong. But facetime only works iPhone to iPhone right?
So iPhone to iPhone means AT&T to AT&T right?
Why that would waste minutes hen AT&T to AT&T is free minutes. Mobile to mobile?
Why would that matters? Just checking

iPhone to iPhone - not quite, Apple states FaceTime will be available on any FaceTime capable devices on their WWDC keynote slides. Future iPod touch and iPad may also utilize this over Wi-Fi? But for now it'll be iPhone to iPhone only.

But this doesn't mean it's only AT&T to AT&T. In Canada alone there are 3 carriers that will support iPhone 4. In the UK there are 3, and elsewhere in the world there are tons. Your AT&T to AT&T mobile to mobile free minutes are not going to matter when you're making an international long distance call to initiate FaceTime. You'll need to pay at least a minute, provided the FaceTime transition took less than a minute.
 
Since this isn't using cellular minutes, users will realize that there will be a How-To article that you will need in order to get this working with your router. Kind of like the article for "Back to my Mac", which doesn't work very well.
Why would your router need any sort of configuration? I haven't read mention of that. 'Back to my Mac' needs configuration because it involves remote access. FaceTime should involve simple transmission of data, and as such, it should work on any wireless network supported by enough bandwidth.
 
We'll be "testing" facetime over 3G

I have a MiFi 2372 on AT&T and my wife and I and our nephew will be getting iPhone 4s on Thursday. My wife and I are then heading on a (previously planned) road trip while my nephew house-sits. We plan on trying out face time over the MiFi to see how the feature will eventually work over 3G, once it's all figured out.
 
I don't get all the hype around facetime and why it's talked about as a groundbreaking new thing. I've had video calling on the phones I've had for about four years, and it's been available for almost twice as long. What's this about a "completely new category of consumption"? Don't you have video calls in the US? Maybe I've missed something about facetime?

This Daring Fireball post is very insightful: http://daringfireball.net/2010/06/first

Apple aren't the first to do video chat, but they are the first to do it right. Regular consumers will be able to use FaceTime without needing help from a geeky teenage relative.
 
How is this thread news? Yeah no **** it won't use cellular minutes. Apple was pretty clear at WWDC that it Facetime would be wifi only.
 
Personally, I hope they ultimately get billed as minutes.... I have soooo many unused minutes, and my data usage is likely to trend upwards even without facetime.

But that's just me.
 
SIGH.

People thought this would use mobile/cell/whatever minutes because all the demos show a standard call being made, then what looks like FaceTime running on top, then back to standard call again - seamlessly. As though the original call was still running.

So hard to comprehend, I know. :/
 
A long wait......

At the rate AT&T has enabled MMS and tethering (which is only now being made available) you guys will be able to use FaceTime on 3G in about the year 2012, for an extra fee of course.

Which is about the time AT&T should be using 4G (in limited areas) and other wireless carriers will have the iPhone.
 
I would wager that the Wifi only restriction was implemented after Apples discussions with carriers (in particular the likes of AT&T) about pricing for 'video minutes'. I'd like to think the networks were all ready to absolutely f**k us over on pricing and Apple wouldn’t stand for it, so just took it away.

That and network capacity would crumble under the load of hundreds of thousands of iPhone 4 users trying it out of novelty.
 
Watch AT&T create a new category of consumption for FaceTime that will require you to add it to your current plan in order to use FaceTime over 3G... And then watch them require you to drop your unlimited data plan to do so since you're making a "change."
 
Nah

I would wager that the Wifi only restriction was implemented after Apples discussions with carriers (in particular the likes of AT&T) about pricing for 'video minutes'. I'd like to think the networks were all ready to absolutely f**k us over on pricing and Apple wouldn’t stand for it, so just took it away.

That and network capacity would crumble under the load of hundreds of thousands of iPhone 4 users trying it out of novelty.

Who is apple to say they will not have 3G access built into the iphone for use of FaceTime on AT&T's network? That came from AT&T because their network would fail. Apple couldn't care less about what is used on 3G.

If Apple were so concerned with the ends users of the iPhone the exclusive agreement would have become void after the first iPhone was released because AT&T had so many issues on their network.
 
Duuhhh who would ask this question.. plus they clearly said that this feature is only used while on wiFi..

but then again if they let us down the road use it on the network.. then yeah everyone go upgrade ur plans lol! :p
 
Bill as data over 3G. End of story. Lets ditch the whole voice / minutes thing anyway. DAta is the way to go. If I could get rid of my voice plan I would in a heartbeat.

Even more reason to keep AT&T's unlimited data plan ;)


Exactly. AT&T makes it seem as if updating the data plan to tiered plans is a good thing for us consumers, but give a while and when FaceTime is available over cellular networks, it will give AT&T the upper-hand in charging for our data overages or charging an even larger amount for "Data Supreme" plan, unveiled just for those of us with video chat enabled phones, charging us $45 for "unlimited" data. It's laughable.
 
If Apple were so concerned with the ends users of the iPhone the exclusive agreement would have become void after the first iPhone was released because AT&T had so many issues on their network.

People are quick to trot out this little canard, but where, exactly would Apple go? Verizon? Do you honestly think that Verizon wouldn't have had exactly as much (or more) problems on their network had they gotten the iPhone exclusivity? And if Apple had made a Verizon iPhone, then they would have had to make a different SKU phone (GSM/GPRS/UMTS) for the rest of the world - as opposed to the One True phone they have now that works on all their supported carriers.

I can pretty regularly get 2-3 MB/sec now with AT&T. The best you can do with Verizon is not quite a third of that.
 
Odd, when you upgraded it didn't give the the option to choose what data plan you wanted? My wife got the option go upgrade to an unlimited 3G plan from her EGDE plan.


The option may have appeared on the screen, but not possible to actually get it.
 
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