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I'm not really concerned, as long as nobody is tracking my location or collecting my bio/banking/meta data.
 
HA! Good luck with that. Give it a try and let us know how it works out. Hint: there's a reason someone hasn't just done that.
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That's not true at all. Apple continues issuing security updates for older devices years after they're no longer on sale. Android has new devices on the market which don't even run the current version of Android. The same can't be said for their push to secure older devices like Apple.

Once Apple stops completely supporting an i-device it completely stops. The iPhone 5 is stuck on iOS 10 and will never get another security fix. Ever.
My in laws 2007 iMac is stuck on OS X 10.11 which was released in 2015 and yet it still receives security updates.
This is the issue with iOS.
 
"we always encourage customers to update to the newest software releases to benefit from the latest protections"

...and for those of you with older devices that cannot run the newest software releases, we encourage you to throw your device into a landfill because the millisecond that we make a new iOS version, we stop putting security fixes into the previous version.
Apple is the best at supporting devices.
 
Kinda impossible to do that on devices iOS 11 can't run on ... like oh all those still quite usable iPad 2s and iPhone 4s.

This just further affirms my move away from Apple products. At least with Android and I can root the device and go about custom fixes from major problems. Instead of "upgrading" to iOS 11 devices, I'm "upgrading" to Android, where I can go in and fix it myself (or find 3rd party options to get fixes).

I'm done with Apple's treadmill of abandonment and appliance making. G.G. Apple, you took what was once a loyal customer and turned me into someone who's now actively pushing family and friends away from your platform.
All your family/friends can't implement those custom fixes that involve hacking stuff in Linux. And honestly, I doubt you or any 3rd party sources can properly install patches for security vulnerabilities. It's really not worth the risk.
 
Apple is the best at supporting devices.

And making devices magically slow at each update.
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All your family/friends can't implement those custom fixes that involve hacking stuff in Linux. And honestly, I doubt you or any 3rd party sources can properly install patches for security vulnerabilities. It's really not worth the risk.

No. Depends where you downloaded from. Sources like CyanogenMod (Now Lineage OS) would be perfectly secure. If you download official release, you would get update and security patches quickly.

Just take a look at XDA forum, there are lots of instructions for each different devices. You will find instructions on how to unlock the bootloader, how to root, how to install third party recovery, how to flash the ROM, how to install Google Apps.

I have unlocked few Motorola, Samsung and Huawei devices. Flashed ROM on these devices. Very easy.
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Apple is the best at supporting devices.

Be honest, how many people actually care about software update at all. I am still running OS X Yosemite on my MacBook Air 2013, iOS 9 on my iPad Mini 4 and iOS 10 on some of my iPad 2017. I do not see the need or incentive to update.

My dad and my mom do not even know which version of OS they run nor they care about software update.

So i don't see the need to compare how Apple supporting devices and other OEMs.
 
No. Depends where you downloaded from. Sources like CyanogenMod (Now Lineage OS) would be perfectly secure. If you download official release, you would get update and security patches quickly.

Just take a look at XDA forum, there are lots of instructions for each different devices. You will find instructions on how to unlock the bootloader, how to root, how to install third party recovery, how to flash the ROM, how to install Google Apps.

I have unlocked few Motorola, Samsung and Huawei devices. Flashed ROM on these devices. Very easy..
Sure, if you want to install an entirely new OS on your phone, that's probably fine. The problem at that point becomes whether it's worth your time. If you're trying to patch an existing installation, you're entering dangerous territory. It's like all those people who were trying to patch Bash on Snow Leopard for the Shellshock bug, and half of them were doing it wrong without knowing. Of course none of this works at all for non-tech-savvy users. Why not just use supported stuff and not worry?
 
Sure, if you want to install an entirely new OS on your phone, that's probably fine. The problem at that point becomes whether it's worth your time. If you're trying to patch an existing installation, you're entering dangerous territory. It's like all those people who were trying to patch Bash on Snow Leopard for the Shellshock bug, and half of them were doing it wrong without knowing. Of course none of this works at all for non-tech-savvy users. Why not just use supported stuff and not worry?

The whole thing about flash ROM and install third party OS is already dangers territory. If you don’t know what are you doing, you can brick the phone without possibility of repair.

The best thing about openness of Android is that you can get updates from trusted source, if your OEM decided to drop support of your old devices. You can find the Android 7.0 ROM for Galaxy S3 if you wish to do so.

Of course, this is all build on if you are comfortable about the risk. To me, my Motorola devices were all below 400 dollars after tax, I don’t really care about them. If I ended up with bricked phone, i will pick other mid-range phone.

After all the years of buying Premium phone, I never really see the need to spend 1000 dollars on the newest and greatest thing. I rather spend half of money for flagship phone from last or two years ago. You can buy Galaxy S6 dirt cheap now. I bet most people also able to do all their stuff with flagship phone from two years ago.
 
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After all the years of buying Premium phone, I never really see the need to spend 1000 dollars on the newest and greatest thing. I rather spend half of money for flagship phone from last or two years ago. You can buy Galaxy S6 dirt cheap now. I bet most people also able to do all their stuff with flagship phone from two years ago.
Yes, but you can also pay almost nothing for an older iPhone that Apple still fully supports with iOS updates, plus you're probably fine security-wise falling behind a couple of iOS versions anyway. Their support goes pretty far back.
 
Yes, but you can also pay almost nothing for an older iPhone that Apple still fully supports with iOS updates, plus you're probably fine security-wise falling behind a couple of iOS versions anyway. Their support goes pretty far back.

New old iOS devices still far more expensive than any new old Android devices. A brand new iPhone 6 now still cost more than 500 dollar in CAD where you can get Galaxy S7 for that money.
 
If Steve Jobs were still alive:
  1. It goes without saying this would never have happened.
  2. If it did, the guy would straight up get whacked.
  3. Steve Jobs would have gone apesh*t
 
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The bad thing is that it took Apple four months to protect their end users (think reddit post/link) who are bound to iOS 9 or earlier versions of iOS.

The other thing that is bothering me is why someone would steal iboot and not the rest of the source code.
What if this was only the tip of the iceberg. To get a public confirmation from Apple that the stolen code is genuine?
 
Once Apple stops completely supporting an i-device it completely stops. The iPhone 5 is stuck on iOS 10 and will never get another security fix. Ever.
My in laws 2007 iMac is stuck on OS X 10.11 which was released in 2015 and yet it still receives security updates.
This is the issue with iOS.

You're crying that a 5 year old phone isn't still getting updates. Sorry guy but at some point it doesn't make sense to keep releasing updates when the customer base for a product dwindles. Android doesn't do security updates past 3 years.

A phone and a desktop/laptop are two wildly different things. Phones are now generally replaced every 2 years. Computers have an expected life longer. It's understandable that computers will receive updates for a longer period than phones.
 
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You're crying that a 5 year old phone isn't still getting updates. Sorry guy but at some point it doesn't make sense to keep releasing updates when the customer base for a product dwindles. Android doesn't do security updates past 3 years.

A phone and a desktop/laptop are two wildly different things. Phones are now generally replaced every 2 years. Computers have an expected life longer. It's understandable that computers will receive updates for a longer period than phones.

I don’t recall tearing up while typing out my response to you.
 
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You're crying that a 5 year old phone isn't still getting updates. Sorry guy but at some point it doesn't make sense to keep releasing updates when the customer base for a product dwindles. Android doesn't do security updates past 3 years.

A phone and a desktop/laptop are two wildly different things. Phones are now generally replaced every 2 years. Computers have an expected life longer. It's understandable that computers will receive updates for a longer period than phones.

So ... what's your explanation for not providing security updates for iPads then? iPads are much closer to the computer model, and indeed Apple markets them as computers ... People aren't upgrading their iPads every two years -- my mom is still quite happily using her iPad 2, and 2011 MacBook Pro ... So where's her iPad updates then?
 
I'm not really concerned, as long as nobody is tracking my location or collecting my bio/banking/meta data.
likely they will not be tracking or collecting anything after they empty your bank account(s)
 
The reason iOS 6 was updated after iOS 7 came out was for iPhone 3GS users because iPhone 3GS was unable to update to iOS 7 at all. Updating iOS 9 and 10 would still be useless for most of the 48% not running iOS 11 because most of those are people running devices capable of running iOS 11 but they haven’t updated yet. That is the user’s fault for not updating to iOS 11, not Apple’s fault for not updating iOS 9 and 10. Any iOS 5s, 6, 6s, or 7 users still on iOS 9 or 10 aren’t abandoned by Apple, nor would they be able to update to new patched versions of iOS 9 or 10 because the device would go straight to iOS 11.

I really disagree with you. Stuck on iOS9 - iPad 2, Ipad 3, iPad Mini (discontinued June 15), iPod touch 5th Gen, iPhone 4s. Stuck on iOS 10 - iPad 4th Gen, iPhone 5, iPhone 5c (discontinued September 15). I think these make up a large part of the 48% not running iOS11, so a security update for iOS 9 and iOS 10 would be most useful.
 
New old iOS devices still far more expensive than any new old Android devices. A brand new iPhone 6 now still cost more than 500 dollar in CAD where you can get Galaxy S7 for that money.
Maybe where you live. I'm not familiar with the Canadian market. On eBay I see new iPhone 6 devices going for around 260 USD (~400 CAD) and assume you can use the unlocked models in Canada. But that's not the most efficient way to own one. Some cell contracts here offer 2-gen-old iPhones and older Android phones "free" or for almost nothing (actually no additional cost on top of the service charges). And the full price S7 is more expensive than the iPhone 6S on AT&T at least.

Edit: I'm not sure if these "free" or cheap old phone plans still happen. AT&T used to do this, but I don't see it anymore.
 
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So ... what's your explanation for not providing security updates for iPads then? iPads are much closer to the computer model, and indeed Apple markets them as computers ... People aren't upgrading their iPads every two years -- my mom is still quite happily using her iPad 2, and 2011 MacBook Pro ... So where's her iPad updates then?

No one cares about the information on your mom's iPad. No need for a security update to keep something safe that's not of value.

You're talking about a 7 year old device. That's a lifetime in the technology world. You have really unreasonable expectations if you think companies should still be providing security updates for products that old.
 
No one cares about the information on your mom's iPad. No need for a security update to keep something safe that's not of value.

You're talking about a 7 year old device. That's a lifetime in the technology world. You have really unreasonable expectations if you think companies should still be providing security updates for products that old.

Why not? Microsoft supports their Windows for 10 years. Microsoft supported Windows XP almost 12 years.

Now Apple abaonding their OS support right after new OS release.

And who to determine something is not of vaule. If iPad 2 still works for someone, it has vaule. Apple is proud of their customer service and how long they support their devices, that is base on the condition one must run their newest OS, even if that OS runs like crap.
 
Once Apple stops completely supporting an i-device it completely stops. The iPhone 5 is stuck on iOS 10 and will never get another security fix. Ever.
My in laws 2007 iMac is stuck on OS X 10.11 which was released in 2015 and yet it still receives security updates.
This is the issue with iOS.
It's an issue with mobile phones. Hardware components are more tightly integrated with each other and with software, and progress is faster due to market demand. PCs stay mostly the same forever, so they're easy to support.

With Android phones, official support (not including community OSs) stops much sooner than with iPhones, so I'd say Apple is doing a good job there. macOS support doesn't go nearly as far back as Windows does, and I definitely suspect planned obsoleteness there because of how many features are barred from older Macs for literally no reason. I can tell it's no reason cause there are hacks that make them work fine. Makes sense anyway. MS sells software (with spyware bundled); Apple sells hardware. General use PCs never really need hardware updates if you don't create reasons.
 
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