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That is why they should have used the mini-jack output that is on the Airport Express; depending on what cable is plugged into it, it can output an analogue or a digital signal.

That'd make things more complicated. Many home receivers come with a standard optical cable.

The reason they haven't included the mini-jack output is because 99% of the people the Apple TV is aimed at won't end up using them.

If you really want to get Analogue out from the Apple TV, there are cheap options out there, all of which will be considerably better than the DAC built into the old Apple TV (which was pretty horrible).
 
As a current Apple TV owner, I would totally understand this if the move to an A4 architecture came with any sort of benefit -- like iOS and apps.

If the Roku box had any decent, local way to stream iTunes media from my computer, I would take a mallet to my Apple TV and not shed a tear.

There is a great program, called "chaneru," that streams directly from your iTunes library to your Roku. The best part... it's has Mac and PC versions! Check it out.

http://www.chaneru.com/
 
I read it again, and you are wrong.

If someone recently bought an apple tv, does it not do what they bought it to do?

If it does not, why did they not return it?


No. It does not do what I bought it for.


I bought it after the launch. Steve said that we in europe "will be able to rent & buy movies" later. Wow awesome.


Now it is 3 years later, and I STILL cant rent or buy movies or tv series from iTunes. So,basically,we got pissed upon royally be stevie.

Now,I wonder where I should send my :apple:TV and claim my money back?
What´s stevies address in cupertino?
 
That is why they should have used the mini-jack output that is on the Airport Express; depending on what cable is plugged into it, it can output an analogue or a digital signal.

Except that the DACs used in Airport Express, iPods and Macs have always been cheap and of poor quality.

If you're paying to rent HD films in gorgeous 5.1 surround sound, only to then put it through a cheap DAC and then to 2 channel speakers, cheap enough not to show up the poor quality DAC, what's the point?

Apple TV is still a hobby for Apple, it's designed for the people with HD TVs and surround sound set ups, you might as well be moaning about the lack of a SCART socket
 
No. It does not do what I bought it for.


I bought it after the launch. Steve said that we in europe "will be able to rent & buy movies" later. Wow awesome.


Now it is 3 years later, and I STILL cant rent or buy movies or tv series from iTunes. So,basically,we got pissed upon royally be stevie.

Now,I wonder where I should send my :apple:TV and claim my money back?
What´s stevies address in cupertino?

I live in Europe and I can rent and buy movies. Maybe you shouldn't generalise to an entire continent.
 
This gives new meaning to the word "brick." Seriously, why couldn't Apple allowed an update to this?

Nah, we don't loose any functionality. Apart from this Netflix thing, which means nothing to people over here in the UK, there aren't all that many features gained, and to be honest, you loose some functionality by not having the HD.
 
Agreed

Its a slap in the face, its not like these devices are legacy...or I guess they are now...fail

In computer industry terms, they are legacy. The old Apple TV design is four years old now, and it has been selling for 3 1/2 years. 3+ year old hardware appliances rarely get updates these days. I guess it would have been nice if they officially blessed some of the mods, but they don't need to, you can install them yourselves. That said, not trying to stop the AppleTV mods is about as close as an official blessing as you might get from Apple.

You can probably still get most of your money back out of the old AppleTV by selling it, it's supposedly a very nice device once modded with add-on software.
 
I hope some 160GB models do appear on eBay at a low price. I'll buy another one or two to keep me going in case mine fails in a terminal way. However I doubt there will be that many existing owners wanting to swap for a new one, since in some areas it has less connectivity and functionality. They might buy a new one but perhaps keep the old one too.

You can buy either model and upgrade the hard drive yourself. There's a guy who is always on ebay that sells pre-loaded (Apple TV software) 320gb hard drives for about $120. They're easy to install. I've replaced the 40GB drives with these in my 2 Apple TVs. I just did another one a few days ago.
 
Currently, impossible. Until fiber optics become more commonplace and the average home user can get increased bandwidth, I'll stick to Blu-Ray media when watching action movies. For everything else, television shows (which broadcast in 720P any ways) and movies that don't benefit from 1080P HD I'll download. Until the technology can keep up with the idea's, two mediums will have to work for those who appreciate high quality entertainment.

My home happens to be wired for fiber, but we don't use it because we don't have any source to connect to beyond our walls. However, we are getting 1080p content pumped right in no problem from satt/cable (particularly on select 1080p VOD channels). Apparently there are ways to stream 1080p without requiring all homes nation-wide be rewired with fiber, as there is an increasing number of people (everyone with Dish & DirecTV, and a number of people with cable) who could- TODAY- stream 1080p VOD movies from those sources to their 1080p HDTV... no fiber required.

I appreciate the "let's say anything to support Apple's decision to limit this to 720p" mentality, but posting such stuff as if it is fact- when I would guess most of people here reading it could go stream some 1080p content immediately after seeing it- is not very convincing.

Besides, I would guess a fair chunk of the crowd disappointed because it didn't come with 1080p hardware could care less about iTunes having 1080p software to stream. For example, in my own case, I've got 1080p home movies since 2006, edited & rendered in iMovie as far back as the 2006 version of iMovie. It goes right into iTunes just like 720p or SD video and plays just fine in iMovie. I just need a 1080p:apple:TV to move it from iTunes to my 1080HDTV. No fiber required. No bigger internet infrastructure required. No iTunes 1080p rentals required. Just one choice of chip vs. another would have made a huge difference for people like me.
 
would like netflex on my old apple TV.

It would have been cool to be able to move an old apple TV to another room / another TV, so it could have used it as a device to access netflix content.

My "old" apple tv's only a year old, so the extra usage, now that an agreement with netflix exists, would have been nice if apply choose to add it in as a software update.
 
Old ATV Streaming to new ATV

Perhaps this has been answered but will it be possible to stream from old ATV to new ATV i.e. will it appear on the list of devices??
 
It would have been cool to be able to move an old apple TV to another room / another TV, so it could have used it as a device to access netflix content.

My "old" apple tv's only a year old, so the extra usage, now that an agreement with netflix exists, would have been nice if apply choose to add it in as a software update.

Hack your Apple TV and install boxee if you want to get Netflix.
 
No. It does not do what I bought it for.


I bought it after the launch. Steve said that we in europe "will be able to rent & buy movies" later. Wow awesome.


Now it is 3 years later, and I STILL cant rent or buy movies or tv series from iTunes. So,basically,we got pissed upon royally be stevie.

Now,I wonder where I should send my :apple:TV and claim my money back?
What´s stevies address in cupertino?

You bought something based upon what you heard it might do later? Wow awesome.

Maybe it would be better to buy something based upon what it does right now.
 
720p should just be ok with everyone as far as streaming content. The bandwidth available on typical ISPs make the difference matter...a LOT (720p vs. 1080p). Just be ok with 720p. Choose to be ok with it.

If it matters that much to you, go BUY the movies on Blu-Ray and spend more money.

It's one or the other. Those are the available options.

Why do we have to justify "720p is right" with this kind of logic? All interested prospects of an :apple:TV probably have iTunes. They do go together. But all interested prospects of :apple:TV do not necessarily want to buy one because they want to rent/buy content from the iTunes store. Everything we already have in our iTunes library can also flow through this little box to our HDTVs. If we have a lot of content already, we may never need to rent/stream a single thing from the iTunes store to still get tons of use & joy out of an :apple:TV.

For example, for all of us Mac people with iTunes, we probably have iMovie too. iMovie can import our home movies from 1080i/p camcorders, let us edit and render it back out in 1080i/p, and those renders will import right into iTunes... and play there just fine. Now we have legal 1080i/p content in iTunes. In my case, I have a lot of this kind of 1080i/p content (1080i/p camcorders have been out for a long time now).

Had this :apple:TV been built with 1080p chips instead of 720p, it would be the last link in the Apple chain to move content from my iMac to my 1080HDTV without sacrificing image quality (quality that everyone at my house can see in spite of "the chart" and other such arguments). Instead, that can't work- I have to downgrade the quality of that particular video if I want to be able to use the easy, dynamic, on demand vehicle called :apple:TV to get it on my HDTV screen.

None of that involves the iTunes store, or national broadband pipes, nor causes any clog ups to national broadband infrastructure, etc. It doesn't require fiber in the home, nor any major changes from the exact same set up that has been in place at my house since the first version was released in 2007... except, the little box needs a 1080p chipset to make that last link from iTunes library to HDTV.

Relative to the poster, that’s not one or the other, it's involves neither of the 2 options you imply are all options.

Much like launching iPhones with tethering hardware or iMacs with Quad core i7s & Grand central before outside factors like third party software or AT&T infrastructure was ready to handle them, there would have been absolutely NOTHING wrong with rolling out a 1080p-capable :apple:TV box while still offering only 720p & SD video in the iTunes store. Until there are lots of 1080p :apple:TV's in homes, it makes NO SENSE at all to even try to offer 1080i/p rentals for :apple:TV until there are :apple:TVs that could actually play that software.

These kinds of arguments seem to try to justify "720p is good enough" by requiring all this other stuff- pretty much beyond Apple's control- get addressed first, so that then Apple could make a 1080p version to follow. It sure is a good thing that Apple doesn't do that with all the other stuff they make. Hardware has to lead.

Waiting for national broadband to expand... and waiting until there is 1080i/p content in the store... and waiting until all U.S. homes are re-wired with fiber... and waiting until all the "we don't have the storage for those big files" is addressed... etc translates into a very long wait. And all that is beyond Apple's direct control.

Had Apple launched a 1080p-capable version yesterday, I wonder if all the "720p is good enough" people would be on here griping about the overkill, how it's going to fail due to national broadband, no fiber in our homes, lack of storage, etc. In other words, if it did come out with that hardware capability would all the cheerleaders be the fault finders, and all the fault finders be the cheerleaders? Or would pretty much both camps have got what they wanted- a device that would play 720p to the fullest it could be played (thus no change whatsoever for those happy with 720p) as well as a device that could also cover the "1080p or bust" camps needs?
 
You bought something based upon what you heard it might do later? Wow awesome.

Maybe it would be better to buy something based upon what it does right now.

It is not so unusual. People who buy games consoles at launch do it in large part because of the games that will come out for them later.
 
And we wonder why the environment's gone to hell. Planned obsolescence within a year - better toss those old Apple TV's in the landfill boys....the new one is shinier and smaller! :rolleyes:
 
I'll miss the ability to be able to buy directly from AppleTV--I liked browsing movies, music etc. that way.

Seems weird that they wouldn't have set it up with the ability to do that. I know that there's no longer any onboard storage, but if you've got it synced with your computer seems like you should be able to buy through the Apple TV interface and have the purchase downloaded to the synced computer.

Yeah but most of that can be done on iPad or iPod Touch 4. :D
 
And we wonder why the environment's gone to hell. Planned obsolescence within a year - better toss those old Apple TV's in the landfill boys....the new one is shinier and smaller! :rolleyes:

+1 I couldn't agree more

However, props must be given to Apple. In the past five years Apple has switched to using aluminum in 95% of their products (recyclable and great for cooling) and even in the revamped remote (with the entry level MacBook still using a plastic shell), eliminated mercury,arsenic and PVC, BFR, and lead, removed plastic fronts on their LCD displays to utilize arsenic free glass (and yes, it does cause SOME glare, but that's another topic), and has an excellent recycle program

I am an environmental activist (not Greenpeace mind you) and I am extremely passionate about the impact of e-waste on the environment, so much so I left industrial organizational psychology to pursue industrial design and engineering to research and produce more eco-friendly electronics. A lot of people in the tech world do not think about the impact their electronics have on the environment. Most of our products are made in China and disposed of in third world nations, which pollute their land and waters and cause disease and health issues. There is a huge "out of sight, out of mind" mentality in consumerism in general, much so in electronics. It might not be 100% perfect yet, but Apple has shown that going "green" doesn't mean going "red".

Apple's extensive environmental explanation on their site:

Apple and the Environment

I wish more people here would think twice about whether they NEED that new Mac Pro or if it's simply "keeping up with the Joneses". 90% of the time, most users don't need a 12-core Mac, or the latest and greatest iMac or iDevice. If you do replace an older unit, sell it or recycle it. "Reduce, reuse, recycle". You'd be amazed at how much you can recycle, 75% of our "trash" is recyclable. Do not but plastic anything as it is pretty much non-biodegradeable (re: two huge islands of plastic exist in the pacific and atlantic oceans the size of texas and rhode island). Our way of life is destroying the planet, but we all can make a difference through education and a little more effort in how we purchase and consumer our products.
 
And we wonder why the environment's gone to hell. Planned obsolescence within a year - better toss those old Apple TV's in the landfill boys....the new one is shinier and smaller! :rolleyes:

Yawn.

Tech companies bring out new products to replace old ones. No one's throwing the old ones in landfill, they will continue to work today just as they worked before Apple announced a new one.

If you want to be stuck with a product that's already 4 years old for the rest of time, then fine, be my guest. The rest of us will favour innovation.
 
Yawn.

Tech companies bring out new products to replace old ones. No one's throwing the old ones in landfill, they will continue to work today just as they worked before Apple announced a new one.

If you want to be stuck with a product that's already 4 years old for the rest of time, then fine, be my guest. The rest of us will favour innovation.

Sorry but you're very much incorrect. Read up on these issues before you post. Read "The Story of Stuff", a very enlightening 10-year study on North American capitalism and the impact our way of life has on the environment. It'll open your eyes and you might think twice about "yawning" and dismissing such comments.
 
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