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Here, let me enlighten you a bit.

unethical: not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior; "unethical business practices or unethical forum posting/starting practices"

MacRumors has certain standards one needs to conform to.

Just wow. GTFO.
 
Yikes I didn't think I was "uninformative unworthy unethical unrealistic". Just was watching the keynote stream off MR and checking some news, seen the link pop up on MSNBC and didn't see or find it anywhere on MR. Just wanted to see if anyone heard anything.....I guess not. I dont know if I got your hopes up (iphone3gs16gb), but I sure am.... looking looking forward to a Verizon iphone, where I am at theres no othere service available and am a huge Apple fan. Will continue to wait and buy when its released.
 
Here, let me enlighten you a bit...
MacRumors has certain standards one needs to conform to.
Oh, okay ... we're all "enlightened" now.
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MR is all about "ethical" standards.
 
Yikes I didn't think I was "uninformative unworthy unethical unrealistic". Just was watching the keynote stream off MR and checking some news, seen the link pop up on MSNBC and didn't see or find it anywhere on MR. Just wanted to see if anyone heard anything.....I guess not. I dont know if I got your hopes up (iphone3gs16gb), but I sure am.... looking looking forward to a Verizon iphone, where I am at theres no othere service available and am a huge Apple fan. Will continue to wait and buy when its released.

Your wasting your time buddy.

Apple approached them first, they denied them.

Its their own fault.

Have fun waiting though :)
 
Here, let me enlighten you a bit.

unethical: not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior; "unethical business practices or unethical forum posting/starting practices"

MacRumors has certain standards one needs to conform to.

Get a life!
 
I will, while I enjoy every other product they offer!! I just don't understand why I was uninformative unworthy unethical unrealistic for asking it? I am excited to one day own an iphone along with many other Apple people. I have followed the iphone from the start along with many other macrumor users, and just hoping for more inovative products, including a CDMA iphone, and for them to keep pushing their stock prices through the roof. GO APPLE!
 
I will, while I enjoy every other product they offer!! I just don't understand why I was uninformative unworthy unethical unrealistic for asking it? I am excited to one day own an iphone along with many other Apple people. I have followed the iphone from the start along with many other macrumor users, and just hoping for more inovative products, including a CDMA iphone, and for them to keep pushing their stock prices through the roof. GO APPLE!

Listen, it's NOT Apple...

I don't think you've grasped anything I've mentioned.

APPLE (when I say Apple, I mean the big man Stevie-O and gang) went directly to Verizon, to basically tell them of their next big thing, a phone,ok, you following me here?

Verizon didn't want to carry the iPhone because of Apple's rigorous control over the product and because they never got to see the phone in the first place.

Verizon basically said F you Steve...

Apple then went to Cingular (now AT&T), explained the situation, and they accepted to Apple's terms.

You see?
It never was Apple, it was Verizon.
 
Listen, it's NOT Apple...

I don't think you've grasped anything I've mentioned.

APPLE (when I say Apple, I mean the big man Stevie-O and gang) went directly to Verizon, to basically tell them of their next big thing, a phone,ok, you following me here?

Verizon didn't want to carry the iPhone because of Apple's rigorous control over the product and because they never got to see the phone in the first place.

Verizon basically said F you Steve...

Apple then went to Cingular (now AT&T), explained the situation, and they accepted to Apple's terms.

You see?
It never was Apple, it was Verizon.

What on earth in that quoted post were you responding to? I think you must have misread the post.
 
What on earth in that quoted post were you responding to? I think you must have misread the post.

I will, while I enjoy every other product they offer!! I just don't understand why I was uninformative unworthy unethical unrealistic for asking it? I am excited to one day own an iphone along with many other Apple people. I have followed the iphone from the start along with many other macrumor users, and just hoping for more inovative products, including a CDMA iphone, and for them to keep pushing their stock prices through the roof. GO APPLE!

Did you get that?

I think you misread the post...
 
Listen, it's NOT Apple...

I don't think you've grasped anything I've mentioned.

APPLE (when I say Apple, I mean the big man Stevie-O and gang) went directly to Verizon, to basically tell them of their next big thing, a phone,ok, you following me here?

Verizon didn't want to carry the iPhone because of Apple's rigorous control over the product and because they never got to see the phone in the first place.

Verizon basically said F you Steve...

Apple then went to Cingular (now AT&T), explained the situation, and they accepted to Apple's terms.

You see?
It never was Apple, it was Verizon.

I'm so glad we have such a high ranking Apple employee on this forum. Your knowledge of the inside operations at Apple makes others envious. Perhaps you are a board member? You are a direct report to Steve himself and he tells you everything going on?

In fact now that I think of it, we apparently have several high ranking Apple employees and/or people with strong personal connections to the CEO of Apple.
 
I'm so glad we have such a high ranking Apple employee on this forum. Your knowledge of the inside operations at Apple makes others envious. Perhaps you are a board member? You are a direct report to Steve himself and he tells you everything going on?

In fact now that I think of it, we apparently have several high ranking Apple employees and/or people with strong personal connections to the CEO of Apple.

I'm pretty sure Steve posts here himself as well. I keep seeing him say "There will be no Verizon iPhone...period."
 
I'm pretty sure Steve posts here himself as well. I keep seeing him say "There will be no Verizon iPhone...period."

Nah. If Jobs posted here they'd have to change the name to macfacts.com. Since no one knows what the hell they're talking about, it stays macrumors.
 
Yes iphone3gs16gb, I know that Apple approached Verizon off the bat and they denied...over app stores and control. I read that back when iphone was first released here on MR. I am just in an area of the US that all I have is Verizon for a service provider. Hoping to sometime get a chance to own an iphone, if its LTE or CDMA...would rather have LTE but sounds like that’s down the road yet. So, ya back to the original post, just thought I might have missed some announcement that SJ did confirm, which obviously at this point he hasn't. Hoping Ivan Seidenberg has something for his CES keynote that has to do with the iphone.
 
well lately news stations have been treating this verizon iphone rumor as a fact when it is not even close to being fact. so i would take this information with a 20lbs bag of salt.
 
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ericg301 said:
looks like they had the page all ready to go...just in case SJ made that little bit of news today.

FIRST!

God I hate douches who post 'FIRST'
 
Apple approached them first, they denied them.

Apple didn't approach Verizon first. That's just a common internet myth. It doesn't even make sense.

Cingular had known about Apple's plans to create a phone since early 2005. They even helped Apple decide not to become a MVNO.

"Cingular and Apple may be fast-moving technology companies, but they took their time putting the iPhone deal together. Officials of the two companies began discussions nearly two years ago, in February 2005. They quickly agreed that they should work together on a phone project, but there were far-reaching conversations and brainstorms about what the product should be.

"They considered an Apple-branded mobile phone service that would piggyback on the Cingular network, but rejected the idea. Then, a year ago, they settled on the final concept, an Apple- made phone for subscribers to Cingular, which is owned by AT&T.

"Details of the negotiations and partnership were provided in interviews with Lurie of Cingular and Eddy Cue, a vice president of Apple who is in charge of its iTunes service and oversaw the relationship on Apple's end. They said they had spoken nearly every workday over the past two years and had, above all, one mandate: to maintain secrecy."
- NY Times, Jan 2007

Apple didn't approach Verizon until mid 2005... with no detailed plans or prototypes... and reportedly as an additional carrier, not the sole one.
 
Apple didn't approach Verizon first. That's just a common internet myth. It doesn't even make sense.

Apple didn't approach Verizon until mid 2005... with no detailed plans or prototypes... and reportedly as an additional carrier, not the sole one.

I also want to point out that many people have forgotten (or didn't know) that Apple collaborated with Motorola and Cingular back in 2004/05 to make an "iTunes Phone," the Rokr (later followed by the Slvr and Razr v3). So that relationship (Apple/AT&T) has been around for a wile, and the iPhone was something Apple created when the Rokr failed, so it only makes sense that 2 years later when Apple was ready to launch the iPhone that they would stick with Cingular/AT&T. Steve Jobs meeting with Verizon could have been just a scare tactic to get AT&T moving forward with a deal.

Even as the ROKR went into production, Jobs was realizing he'd have to build his own phone. In February 2005, he got together with Cingular to discuss a Motorola-free partnership. At the top-secret meeting in a midtown Manhattan hotel, Jobs laid out his plans before a handful of Cingular senior execs, including Sigman. (When AT&T acquired Cingular in December 2006, Sigman remained president of wireless.) Jobs delivered a three-part message to Cingular: Apple had the technology to build something truly revolutionary, "light-years ahead of anything else." Apple was prepared to consider an exclusive arrangement to get that deal done. But Apple was also prepared to buy wireless minutes wholesale and become a de facto carrier itself.

The Untold Story: How the iPhone Blew Up the Wireless Industry
Read More http://www.wired.com/gadgets/wireless/magazine/16-02/ff_iphone?currentPage=all#ixzz13CnWXAkL
 
I also want to point out that many people have forgotten (or didn't know) that Apple collaborated with Motorola and Cingular back in 2004/05 to make an "iTunes Phone," the Rokr (later followed by the Slvr and Razr v3).

And it failed miserably, partly because Apple had forced Motorola to cripple it with a 100 song limit, in order to protect iPod sales. It was typical bad design by committee, and he knew it.

So much so, that the video of Jobs introducing the so-called "iTunes phone", is often cited as an example of what people's faces look like when holding a dead rat.

As for Verizon not being excited over an Apple phone, who can blame them. Back then, Apple was hit and miss. At the time, their idea of a smartphone must've sounded very undesirable:
  • A company with no phone experience.
  • All ringtone sales profits to go to Apple.
  • No sales through other outlets.
  • No customer subsidy allowed.
  • No insurance allowed.
  • iTunes and computer needed.
  • No third party apps.
  • Little Bluetooth support.
  • No GPS.
  • No 3G.
 
And it failed miserably, partly because Apple had forced Motorola to cripple it with a 100 song limit, in order to protect iPod sales. It was typical bad design by committee, and he knew it.

So much so, that the video of Jobs introducing the so-called "iTunes phone", is often cited as an example of what people's faces look like when holding a dead rat.

As for Verizon not being excited over an Apple phone, who can blame them. Back then, Apple was hit and miss. At the time, their idea of a smartphone must've sounded very undesirable:
  • A company with no phone experience.
  • All ringtone sales profits to go to Apple.
  • No sales through other outlets.
  • No customer subsidy allowed.
  • No insurance allowed.
  • iTunes and computer needed.
  • No third party apps.
  • Little Bluetooth support.
  • No GPS.
  • No 3G.

I agree, Apple at the time was a hit or miss

but,

Just goes to show that when Stevie-O says he's going to revolutionize something, it's going to revolutionize.

Examples:
  • the cell phone (remember cell phones before the iPhone?)
  • mobile computing as we know it (just wait for a couple more generations of the iPad)
 
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