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AMD isn't so far behind Intel right now. The Turion/Athlon IIs are proven to be faster than comparable Intel Core 2 Duos, but lags behind Core i technology, so lets see what AMD has to counter i3/i5/i7 and see if they actually have it in them to fight.

I have an AMD notebook right now and I love it.

Core 2 Duo's are old technology so not really a worth while comparison. On the desktop side of things AMD has competition for the i3s and i5s (Phenom II x2s and x4s with Thuban x6 around the corner) but nothing that beats the i7 really; and that will definitely not change anytime soon.
 
Ugh, I hope this doesn't happen. AMD graphic are nice but their CPUs have been crap compared to intel. Yeah, they are cheaper but Apple isn't supposed to be about cheap products.

Yeah I completely agree and am concerned, I mean it would be like Ferrari buying parts off Proton to use on its cars lol. I do see its a possibility Apple are just enquiring you know just incase :D. Like when PowerPC let Apple down and intel had been tested with OS X since its development in the early 2000's
 
Ugh, I hope this doesn't happen. AMD graphics are nice but their CPUs have been crap compared to intel. Yeah, they are cheaper but Apple isn't supposed to be about cheap products.

Crap? Hardly, for the vast majority of people AMDs current line up is more then adequate.
 
AMD isn't so far behind Intel right now. The Turion/Athlon IIs are proven to be faster than comparable Intel Core 2 Duos, but lags behind Core i technology, so lets see what AMD has to counter i3/i5/i7 and see if they actually have it in them to fight.

I have an AMD notebook right now and I love it.

While Phenom II has kind of caught up with the mid-range Core 2 Duos for the price of a higher TDP, I'd like to see one source that proves that Turion is faster than a comparable Core 2 Duo at the same TDP (please don't go below 2.0Ghz, not sure if they are sold anymore), let alone a Core i3 M or i5 M
 
Yeah I completely agree and am concerned, I mean it would be like Ferrari buying parts off Proton to use on its cars lol. I do see its a possibility Apple are just enquiring you know just incase :D. Like when PowerPC let Apple down and intel had been tested with OS X since its development in the early 2000's

Tb more accurate, its not the architecture that let Apple down, its just Apple got ignored by the PowerPC makers for things like servers and consoles.
 
Ugh, I hope this doesn't happen. AMD graphics are nice but their CPUs have been crap compared to intel. Yeah, they are cheaper but Apple isn't supposed to be about cheap products.

They aren't crap. :rolleyes:
 
Apple Power!

Sigh. I hope they’re just working on graphics technology. AMD’s processors haven’t been competitive (other than in price) in years.

Not until Apple start marketing their processor! it's all about marketing strategy I always thought that Apple adopts AMD when they switched to X86. Intel is the smartest decision for them to start and marketing the product is easier for Apple. Now that they established themselves that should not be a problem. When Apple says it's faster and better we always believe it's faster and better. Marketing is more powerful than the products itself!
 
Mac Phenoms sound good

AMD hasn't made a bad chip since 2003 when they led the 64-bit pack. nvidia and Intel have the core-duo and 8600GT. Two factory defective chips that messed up a lot of otherwise excellent macs. :apple:
 
Let's see... Dell Xps laptop - 2 years, internally cracked display. That was
after hard drive went a year before. Dell could not get the LCD
for it anymore. Got a macbook in 2008 and never had an issue.

A friend's 1 1/2 yr old Dell - Lamp on LCD went out. Dell could
not get the parts for it. He bought a used 2004 macbook and
just gave it to his wife and got himself a new macbook pro.

My work Dell PC - blew a hard drive; then blew the power
supply, hard drive, and motherboard all at same time. They
gave me a new Dell, within a year blew one of the raid drives
and having major issues with a win 7 upgrade.

HP mini tower - only got a year out of it.
HP tower - used it for 1 1/2 years, completely rebuilt the
machine for my wife to use, she started complaining on how
slow it was just surfing the net, so I got her a mac mini in
2008. She is now a happy camper.

Prior to that I was building PC's myself about every year to 2 years.

About the only PC that gave me more than 2 years was a yr 2000 Pentium III classed Celeron Toshiba laptop. I gave it to my old Pastor in 2005 (or was it 2006) as he needed a laptop. He only uses it for word, a small access like database for the church directory. (of course I upgraded the hard drive and Ram in it for him). He is still using it today. IN fact the newer desktop PC that was in his office hardly got use. He said it was fustratingly slow and kept having to be repaired.

*Actually it was 2006. I needed a newer laptop to run an application for work and that was when I got the Dell XPS.

That does suck. We have a just retired Deminsion 4550 from April 2003. My buddy's family is still using theirs. My grandfather has a Inspiron 530 from 2007. Still runs fine. My mom had a Latitude D620 for work. SHe got it in December 2006 Every 3 years, they upgrade her. She got a E6400 for her new machine last December 2009. The D620 was working great before she gave it up. So maybe its in some grateful owners hands now. I bought a Latitude D620 from DFS on eBay in Jan. I upgraded the RAm and HD. I also re-applied thermal paste. it runs OSX like a champ. My brother had a Gateway MX6426. He bought that in December 2006. In January 2009, he gave it to me and he purchased a MacBook. I got rid of it December 2009 and got my dell. The complain with the Gateway is that it HAD a SLOW AMD Turion 64. It was a single core chip. I'm guessing because it had a 4200 RPM HD and 1Gb Ram, that made it even less enjoyable to use.

The only thing I'm not lovin on the non Mac side is the software. windows vista and ALL operating systems by Microsoft before Windows 7 are terrible. I really Do like Windows 7 though. The only thing I hate on Mac computers is the guts. I find it pathetic that a Core i5 starts at $1799. And for $1199 you get a cheese Core 2 Duo. I love the Mac OS X, the casing design, and simplicity. Thats it.
 
I switched to Mac because of Intel Processors. Intel is the best manufacture. For those of you that say they are making too much money, they are a business, therefore it is their JOB to make money!!! lol, would you want a business in which you broke even or would you like to drive the lamborghini? If they can push out better chips than AMD and manufacture them in a way that gives them a nice profit margin, so what? Do you know how much it costs to make that shirt you are wearing...less than a couple dollars!! I paid $15 for mine which is a huge profit margin, why not go after the retail clothing stores? America is based on making money and spending money. If you don't like Intel chips, then by a PC.

Personally, I don't care if Apple adds AMD chips to their line as long as they give you the option to go to intel. The problem with this, Apple will have to add more drivers to their OS increasing the disk size yet again.

And I find it hilarious that all of you are complaining about price when you all have Apple's!!! Do you have any idea what the profit margin is for Apple's products? They have no debt and profit MILLIONS every year! Costs them like $200 to make the iPhone / iPad and they are selling it for $500+! And don't even say the iPhone only costs $199....AT&T is subsidizing it.

Intel and NVIDIA all the way!! :cool:
 
Crap? Hardly, for the vast majority of people AMDs current line up is more then adequate.

Apple isn't supposed to be "adequate". They sell $1k+ computer and should have the parts to go along with it. AMD is so far behind that Intel chose to slow down the "tick tock" road map they had because of lack of competition.
 
Personally, I don't care if Apple adds AMD chips to their line as long as they give you the option to go to intel. The problem with this, Apple will have to add more drivers to their OS increasing the disk size yet again.

I've come to a conclusion you have no clue what you are talking about.

Adding drivers for an AMD chipset, the size difference won't even be noticed by the user.

ATi > nVidia if you keep up with the know. /taps on head

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I still think its completely hilarious that the reason why Intel's CPUs got so powerful is because the stole technology from a University.
 
Yeah but...
Nothing in there refutes my reply.

Go find any review of comparable Intel and AMD laptops from the last couple of years. Intel always outperforms AMD on performance and battery life, therefore AMD must be a lot less power efficient. More power used = more waste heat to get rid of = bigger and heavier heatsinks.
You said "half the battery life" and I said "source?" I'm not here to do your work for you. You either know what you're talking about or you don't.

More likely time to appease the bank manager and the shareholders.
Most shareholders I know are happy with AMD's recent performance.

They make CPUs. Using your argument above a bit of R&D will see Apple right as they've got enough cash on hand.
CPU's based on a completely different architecture and used for completely different applications. You really need to rethink this ARM = X86 thing you have going on here.
 
Sorry, I have not read anything else, yet.

Good idea Apple, get out of bed with Google & Intel, the smallest of the bunch. :cool:
 
They aren't crap. :rolleyes:

Compared to intel, they are. AMD and Intel do not fight for the same market. It's comparing a Honda to a Ferrari. Intel cpus dominate the higher price bracket and AMD the lower. Apple makes high end expensive computers. They should not be looking to stuff lower end cheap chips in there.
 
Compared to intel, they are. AMD and Intel do not fight for the same market. It's comparing a Honda to a Ferrari. Intel cpus dominate the higher price bracket and AMD the lower. Apple makes high end expensive computers. They should not be looking to stuff lower end cheap chips in there.

No, they are not. Intel only has a real edge with their i7s, everything else (i3s/i5s) AMD can compete with no problem.
 
No, they are not. Intel only has a real edge with their i7s, everything else (i3s/i5s) AMD can compete with no problem.

I can prove my point in all of a few seconds. Open another tab and go to newegg. Sort the cpus by price. There are no AMD cpus over $185. They are not fighting for the same market. Intel is high end and AMD is cheap. Apple are high end computers and they should stick with high end cpus.
 
Compared to intel, they are. AMD and Intel do not fight for the same market. It's comparing a Honda to a Ferrari. Intel cpus dominate the higher price bracket and AMD the lower. Apple makes high end expensive computers. They should not be looking to stuff lower end cheap chips in there.

Are you kidding? You probably wouldn't even notice the difference in most tasks if you had two computers with AMD and Intel comparable chips in them.
 
I can prove my point in all of a few seconds. Open another tab and go to newegg. Sort the cpus by price. There are no AMD cpus over $185. They are not fighting for the same market. Intel is high end and AMD is cheap. Apple are high end computers and they should stick with high end cpus.

Wow, what a scientific approach to determining cpu power.....
:rolleyes:
 
Amen (although I did not agree with all of your post).

I'm highjacking the quote above as a starting point for a extraordinary rant (extraordinary for me, that is).

I saw the headline and was intrigued, partly because when I did a training assignment some time back I came to the conclusion that Apple's Intel dependence was a major strategic risk (which I already mentioned in another post) and wondered whether it could really be that Apple was not discussing alternatives - hence my interest in the topic. (And yeah, I'm a business student (among other things), not a professor at MIT, so don't believe me unless you already agree)

I was frankly appalled by the language and sheer stupidity of an unusually high part of the posts. It's as if this rumor was all that was needed to let the long stymied flame-war-urges erupt.

Examples:
BLATANT LACK OF FACTS: Not to mention, AMD would not be able to produce 1/4 of the chips Apple orders from them.

BIAS: Intel is the BEST chip maker in the world hands down. I can't see having a flame war over that fact.

ON THE DEFENSE: I will never own a mac with a AMD CPU ...

LACK OF PERSPECTIVE: I hate AMD. I used to have a Gateway MX6426...

I could go on for quite some while you know...

Especially I wonder about everyone talking about AMD CPU's being subpar/sucking/crap etc. Where these people around in say 2003 when Intel hadn't won a benchmark in years, and if yes, then more importantly, were they Intel or AMD fanboys back then?

Please People. Just because this is an electronic bulletin board (us old farts still call them that) and not the real world, where you might get beaten up for saying anything that pops into your mind, could you do humanity a favor and stop submitting crap you would not want printed on your forehead.

RGDS, everyone.
Pekka
In all honesty I believe there's more motivation to put leverage on Intel or nVidia instead of actual adoption.


Compared to intel, they are. AMD and Intel do not fight for the same market. It's comparing a Honda to a Ferrari. Intel cpus dominate the higher price bracket and AMD the lower. Apple makes high end expensive computers. They should not be looking to stuff lower end cheap chips in there.
I hope you remember the Athlon 64 days where you'd cough up $300-800 for a single core Athlon 64 and all for an additional clock speed multiplier or two.
 
In all honesty I believe there's more motivation to put leverage on Intel or nVidia instead of actual adoption.

I still think there are a lot of people underestimating the capacity of global foundires, with more factories by 2011.


I hope you remember the Athlon 64 days where you'd cough up $300-800 for a single core Athlon 64 and all for an additional clock speed multiplier or two.

Those were the days...

when I was still using an Athlon XP. :eek:
 
Apple could be gearing up for a new product: the "midrange tower" that folks wish for from time to time. That is, a tower configuration that allows a choice of graphics cards, additional hard drives etc. somewhat like the Mac Pro, but at a middle price range, for the same people who like a tower configuration but today would go with a Dell or self-built because the Pro is awfully expensive. Maybe AMD would be part of a strategy of producing such a product at a moderate price. Of course, you wouldn't get all the options of the pro, but a smaller tower with space for 2 drives and some selection of graphics and sound cards would be welcome.

I can't imagine there are many people who really want an Apple Tower.

I don't want a tower of any kind unless I am building it myself. I understand what you are saying, but building such a computer would be an absolutely horrible idea for Apple.

If I am going to have a PC I am going to build it myself. The only people I would buy a constructed computer from is Apple.
 
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