Heh heh. The funny thing is (and I was there for this), we killed the MHz myth because we had no choice. We couldn't keep up with Intel on clock speed. We tried, desperately, to do so. With AMD64 we decided to go a different way...
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Heh heh. The funny thing is (and I was there for this), we killed the MHz myth because we had no choice. We couldn't keep up with Intel on clock speed. We tried, desperately, to do so. With AMD64 we decided to go a different way...
I d really like cmaier to tell us a a bit about the roadmap for intel, will it be more crap igfx and lawsuits? Or will it the vapourware that is larabee? Will they flog netbooks with the crap that is the atom and keep bullying all competition? Will their integrated p.u. be another stick in a worst in class gpu with a decent processor? Boy, is that innovative...
Intel seems a really exciting company at the moment according to cmaier, I wonder then why their roadmap is a piece of hazy ****.
Intel seems a really exciting company at the moment according to cmaier, I wonder then why their roadmap is a piece of hazy ****.
You are making a strawman argument. I said only that AMD's execution will be inferior to Intel's. I've never denied Intel's bullying or commented on their roadmap.
I am the one making the straw man argument, that's hilarious... This thread is about apple's future plans in cpu adoption, and besides your blanket dismissive amd comments you don't have any opinion on the intel roadmap? If so then how do you you know amd will be inferior to intel?
Let me tell you something, if intel don't buy nvidia, they will be hammered when the apu units arrive, and they won't have anything close to it, other than their usual gung ho paid pundits comments in the pc mags of this world. You know it, the rags know it, and apple know it that's why they are in advanced discussions with amd.
First, you are implying I am making a strawman argument. Please tell me what words I put in your mouth.
Second, "how do I know?" I already stated, multiple times, how I know. I gave an entire list of publicly known facts about AMD indicating their history of not executing (if you behave a certain way for 40 years, it's a fair bet you will continue to do so). I also gave some facts about changes in personnel and design methodology. I also pointed out that AMD has consistently underperformed Intel except for a three year period. I explained why Intel was wrong in that three year period, and why Intel had righted themselves. I gave evidence explaining that, since the end of that three-year period, the old pattern of AMD underperforming Intel has resumed. I gave evidence for why this will continue.
I don't have to know much about Intel to know AMD will lose. If you see a horse with a broken leg, you know the horse is going to lose the race. You don't have to go find out what the other horses have been eating lately.
Even if you were right, you're talking about one narrow market segment. Every once in awhile AMD manages to beat Intel at something. For K6 it was "low end desktops sold by retailers to consumers." For K8 it was servers, supercomputers, and workstations. They've never done squat in mobile, which is the fastest growing segment. They've never done squat in handhelds. They've given up their lead in workstations/servers. They've lost their design wins in high end desktops. They're back to the same low end desktop stuff that was their only source of revenue from 1969 to 2002. They can't make make any money if they are second best and only in one or two market segments.
While I do appreciate you inside info, and your commenting on these boards (makes a welcome change to all the idiot posting), I can't help but disagree here. And I have nothing more to add, I rest my case so to speak. But please keep posting, I always enjoy your posts at the very least.
Too true. I see no sign that Intel is such a horse (and they've done pretty well over the last 40+ years), but if an Intel insider would like to offer an opinion as to the likelihood of Intel executing to its roadmap, that would be great.
but you are an insider no more, dude
And, BTW, I remind you that Intel is the manufacturer that produced the "fabulous" Pentium 4, not too much time ago
but you are an insider no more, dude
And, BTW, I remind you that Intel is the manufacturer that produced the "fabulous" Pentium 4, not too much time ago
I still have more than my fair share of sources. I had lunch with a former C_O (fill in the blank) of AMD two weeks ago. I chat, email, and facebook everyday with guys who still work there.
And, yes, P4 sucked. But that's my point. The only time in its entire history that AMD did well is when Intel had a 3 year period of complete fail. That's over now.
Don't you feel at all attached to this company to hope for it to succeed? I sense you are bitter about the twunts that eventually came to run the company. But many of us feel very close to amd, because of the talent that is (was) in there and would like to see apple aligning themselves with them. Just a thought. Btw, that 3 year period you are saying is unfair, you are talking about a big bully, an established one, and an underdog that overtook them for 3 years, but still didn't get their fair and honest share of revenue for their efforts, because of intel's monopoly.
How much more can the underdog compete? And here we are with amd very close to intel in cpu, having the best igfx option, going in an era of apus and still you are not routing for them. Why?
I'm not sure why people don't understand the difference between hopes and predictions. I've never said I don't root for those guys. All I've said is I predict failure. Every year I root for the NY Mets, but I know that chances are they are going to blow it. In this case I look at past performance, take into account things that I personally saw happen, take into account what my friends who are still there tell me, take into account how much money AMD has in the bank, and I make a prediction. It has nothing to do with me wishing them ill will or hoping that things go well for them.
BTW, you ask how AMD could have competed? Well, for one thing, the could have leveraged K8 and the K8 team's success and design techniques instead of wasting years of time on a project that eventually got cancelled using people that had never achieved any success. It took Intel years to come out with Nehalem, and AMD could have been so far ahead by that point that they'd have enough money in the bank that they wouldn't have to accept a low-ball settlement offer in the antitrust suit and they wouldn't have to sell off their fabs.
I said in advance that some of my favourite friends and people are jews and asked you not to play the tired anti Semitic card with me. How's that anti-Semitic? It's a fact that the jewery are very powerful, and it's an obvious fact that intel is a prime benefactor of the israeli military industrial complex. And this does not belong to the political forum because I am merely stating who a company funds. Apple supported the no. 8 prop. in Cali, and this didn't go into the politics forums.
People have a right to know who each company funds and make up their minds accordingly. In the interests of full disclosure, I should say that amd has given a lending hand to the aforementioned "causes" as well, as reported, but no where near to what intel has contributed.
Where you in that team? I got a lot of words for you, but I ll just say two. Copeland. And another one, I think might apply in the future, Larabee. Intel got their ass saved by the israeli design team, good for them, and good for us too of course, they were and have always been a giant that could afford running concurrently a lot of teams, god know how many of these screwed up before some of those guys working at israel got it right. Of course AMD is responsible for losing this battle, but in a tec industry full of wrong turns, could have beens, and dismal failure, the fact that they are still in the game and could even by all accounts outdo intell again soon, is commendable. In that process they are pushed from lots of side, intel's unrelenting bullying and anti competitive practises, intel's huge cash flows to pundits, pc rags, and all the other internet media with one hand always extended to intel, and of course amd's own financial woes that put pressure on them. Still, the past two years the balance is positive, ati is still a very strong player (so not all of their purchasing choices where wrong I guess...), and what with open cl and all the trend to go to, for a lack of a better term, a.p.u's with integrated igf and cpu, finds them at an advantageous position since they are not far of at all in the cpu game, and they are well ahead in the gpu one.
All they need is some cash flow for a die shrink in q4 2011.
And as far as ultra mobile cpus go, I haven't heard anything to match bobcat from intel. Will they be shoving down the unwitting publics throat in 2011 still the miserable atom? Who knows, so far they 've managed to make millions of netbooks virtually unusable with this crap...
Generalizing that one ethnic group is "powerful" is bigoted. Calling them "jewery" is derogatory. And trying to excuse it with"some of my best friends are Jews" is the oldest trick of the racist. In any event, it's off-topic and there is a special forum here for religious and political postings. I won't even address your mistaken belief that the Israeli Jews are the ones prosecuting massacres, because, again, this is the wrong forum for such things.
If you'd like to limit your discussion to the topic at hand i would be delighted to participate.
If you'd like to limit your discussion to the topic at hand i would be delighted to participate.
What a load of rubbish. Different races and states leverage different power in the geopolitical scene. There's no bigotry in saying that, except if you would have us believe that one is a racist for calling say the French a powerful nation/ethnic group, or say more powerful than eg. the Egyptians. Anyway, end of story on this front, because you are just going to keep intentionally misrepresenting my comments and derailing this thread.
I have already replied in three paragraphs solely on the topic at hand, you seem to have missed them with that "racist" red herring you 've chosen to throw at me.
He was one of the K8 designers.
What about the two other paragraphs in that post?
Yeah what about them? I said what I said, and I stand by it in the context that I said this about intel. A lot of people intensely dislike their support of the Israeli military industrial complex, this is widely reported, many of them are Jewish people too, a vocal minority that isn't allowed to be as vocal as they could be.
If apple supports prop. 8 in Callifornia (and monetarily too), and this has been discussed here in the news section, not the politics one, I don't see why it is out of context to mention whatever ties another company has with any militarily or governmental sector, on a topic related to said company. It might enable people to make more informed decisions about what products they choose to buy and from what company they buy them from if they support a certain cause. People, such as myself, for example actively seek out fair trade companies and buy from them instead of a competitor. There's something known as social responsibility even in the business sector, you know.
Btw, did you miss my three tec paragraphs too?
Nope, you missed your other two.
And like cmaier, "If you'd like to limit your discussion to the topic at hand i would be delighted to participate." So don't bother replying, you're just wasting your time. Subsequent readers can draw their own conclusions.
cmaier do you have proof that you worked for AMD, you seem too negative and too pro intel for my liking (not an Intel employee
are you?)
cmaier do you have proof that you worked for AMD, you seem too negative and too pro intel for my liking (not an Intel employees are you?)
Sure. What sort of proof would you find acceptable? (BTW, I'm not "pro Intel." I interviewed there and was offered a job as a system architect, but I found the culture horrible and I've heard from various folks that it's a bad place to work. All I've said positive about Intel is that they've a long track record of outperforming AMD, other than the time period around Merced/P4)
