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The reason I want a slow Intel Core i7 in my MacBook Pro is that the IBM Power7+ is too expensive, too big, and requires too much power and cooling.

Some people think the same of the Intel chip.

Worst CPU analogy ever. Why not throw in the inevitable silly car analogy?
 
Intel chips are growing more slowly than ARM. If Apple keeps at it (doubling processor speed every year) then next year it'll geekbench at 3400 (2013), then 6800 (2014), then 13600 (2015), then 27200 (2016). So in 2016, ARM chips might be ready to replace even powerhouses like the Mac Pro, on top of being more power efficient!

How exciting.

And Intel Chips surely wont develop further :eek:
 
The really ironic thing is that Microsoft is probably farther along the ARM chip transition, given their new Surface RT tablet which runs an ARM version of Windows 8 and an ARM version of Office.

Somebody at Bloomberg figured that out (more likely they had someone point it out to them) and wrote an article on the assumption that Apple must be doing the same thing. Then it's the Apple blogs that do the ZOMG! forum dance...
 
Blaha Blah Blah Blah Blah. I had already called out that your rebuttal would be a silly attempt at narrowly




defining what a Virtual Machine is and isn't.
The other extraneous blather about bytecode was needlessly injected by you to someone show some Alpha Male superiority.

LLVM "is" another compiler but the static analysis and ability to target other platforms is the key message here.

This is knights gimmick. He will literally try to prove that something called a Virtual Machine is not a virtual machine.
 
I cannot believe that you are not able to look any further than the immediate present. Wait a few years and then ask Google how it turned out shafting Apple?

They couldn't care less while approaching 80% smartphone market share with Android and quickly catching up in the tablet space.
 
I like the idea of a Mac with a dozen or so "a6x" processors. That should give sufficient raw power to simulate a quad-core i7 for legacy support ..
 
What a great way for Apple to destroy whatever market share it has in the Laptop/Desktop space. They might as well kill off their Laptop/Desktop products and be a mobile device only company.
 
The really ironic thing is that Microsoft is probably farther along the ARM chip transition, given their new Surface RT tablet which runs an ARM version of Windows 8 and an ARM version of Office.

If anything they are years behind. Apple shipped a fully functional ARM OS in 2007. Also, have you tried ARM Office? It sucks. It's not optimized for touch at all.
Apple could build a Mac with iOS tomorrow, full desktop with Finder and all. But why would they want to do that?
 
They couldn't care less while approaching 80% smartphone market share with Android and quickly catching up in the tablet space.

Hence the reason why Apple is moving towards more custom designs. It puts companies like Qualcomm, Samsung and Apple and a distinct advantage because they can custom design their ARM cores versus smaller companies that are "buying off the shelf" ARM cores.
 
I actually think the opposite, just from a logic point of view. Intel is pushing their own x86 processors closer and closer to the power envelope of cell phones every year (ex. Intel Medfield processor). Since they have the most money and experience invested in this area, I really think that there is going to be a shift towards intel cellphone processors within about five years. Android has even already recoded its OS to do intel processors recently. For the immediate future, though, I think ARM will remain mainly a cell phone chip design. The speed difference between even the best ARM designs and even an Intel i3 chip are enormous.
 
It will ensure I never purchase a Mac again. No way am I using underpowered ARM Chips. No way am I having all my purchased software go out of compatibility like my PowerPC stuff did again.
 
What a great way for Apple to destroy whatever market share it has in the Laptop/Desktop space. They might as well kill off their Laptop/Desktop products and be a mobile device only company.

What makes you think the average consumer is so tuned in to computer architecture? Apple doesn't put "Intel Inside" stickers on Macs.

The missing link here is ARM's roadmap to 2017. What's the point of arguing in the negative or affirmative for this move until you know what type of designs ARM has planned 4 years from now?

I remember when AMD was beating Intel with the Opteron. Look at today? A lot changes in 4-5 years.
 
If this is true, unless Apple can ensure Windows (via BootCamp or a VM) can run on any future Apple processor, I would have to move away from Apple at my business.

Kind of sucks. My Mom bought the first Macintosh, I have never used any other PC in my home. I like having access to Macs at home and work.
 
No proof that this is true yet. But if it is, it's the death knell for the Mac as anything but overpriced toys for college students to tap in essays and consume media. Maybe that will be a successful business model, and maybe it won't...

The creative professionals that kept Macs alive during Steve's absence and kept the Mac going through the first decade of the new millennium will have no alternative but to switch to PCs for doing their jobs.

I guarantee that Adobe still remembers the part Steve Jobs and Apple played in mortally wounding Flash through the iOS exclusion. If Apple switches Macs to an ARM based system that does not include robust emulation for x86 programs (Which I do not believe ARM systems are currently capable of running), how long does anyone think it will be before Adobe releases a version of Photoshop, or any apps in Creative Suite, that will run smoothly on the new architecture? Adobe management will sense an opportunity for revenge, and take it.

If creatives stop using the Mac as their primary workflow platform, it will be a sad day. Perhaps iOS and the walled garden really are the entire future of Apple. I love my iMac and MacBook Pro, so I hope not. Moving back to the days of Dell and HP systems is not a thought that I relish.
 
It is not simple to use ultra low power chips like ARM in Laptops. Unless Apple is planning to control entire software application range. In traditional laptop environment, any Independent Software Vendor can develop software which need not to comply Apple's guidelines.

But I think they will first keep Apps on a short leash, dump Intel, rake in more profits.
 
I actually think the opposite, just from a logic point of view. Intel is pushing their own x86 processors closer and closer to the power envelope of cell phones every year (ex. Intel Medfield processor). Since they have the most money and experience invested in this area, I really think that there is going to be a shift towards intel cellphone processors within about five years. Android has even already recoded its OS to do intel processors recently. For the immediate future, though, I think ARM will remain mainly a cell phone chip design. The speed difference between even the best ARM designs and even an Intel i3 chip are enormous.

But sometimes the obstacle is power and not overall speed. Which is why ARM is moving into the Server space to battle Atom.

http://www.seamicro.com
 
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