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Regardless if it's for consumers or businesses...you DO NOT showcase a product, dance all over stage about it, say it's ready for immediate order, then have the orders delayed 6+ weeks.

I wonder how many people will reply to me stating "but they are sooooooooo popular they just can't keep them in stock". Sure....yeah....that's the reason.
 
No posts yet about how this is a bad machine, too expensive, can't get into it to tinker.
EPIC fail etc. etc.

Maybe the people ordering this know what they want and recognize a good product/idea when they see one ?

As for built issues anybody with Apple experience from the past NEVER orders the first generation of anything.

While this is already proven technology (via MB Air) this particular MBP has not been tweaked yet as Apple gets usage reports via returned product.

This item looks good for ordering when its in the third revision and they have quietly fixed everything as they always do.


I think the macbook air was and is a good product idea for those who need more of a netbook rather than a personal comp. While the masses may be seduced by the rmbp and it's display, a minority that think out of the box may be seeing the true implications of this new model and the direction Apple and the PC industry is taking. In my mind looking at all the recent changes i.e.- Lion, iCloud, iPad, rmbp, is that the industry is veering towards consumer dependance on the *system* rather than personal computers which I believe is starting to see its doom. iCloud dominance I believe is the goal with netbooks as dependent transievers and receivers of data and all future applications. In other words if one is not connected/dependent to iCloud or *clouds* then you are not competitive with the masses. Of course dependance comes at a price, keep up and pay or stay behind, upgrade or be disconnected, especially if future netbooks or iPad like devices are designed with hardware life expectancy to not last beyond two or three years with no possibility of consumer repair. This is a concern as is the non eco friendly implications of forced upgrading of hardware within three years (for now). While PC users may claim justification of hating anything Apple, I feel that all personal computers owners whether Mac or PC should be worried about the direction the industry is taking, as I feel that computer independence as a whole is on the verge of being obsolete.
 
I ordered mine (15"/2.6/16G/512) on the first day, and was promised delivery July 9th. I received it yesterday! Apple notified me early, and even FedEx managed to deliver it two days earlier than expected shipping date.
 
I think the macbook air was and is a good product idea for those who need more of a netbook rather than a personal comp. While the masses may be seduced by the rmbp and it's display, a minority that think out of the box may be seeing the true implications of this new model and the direction Apple and the PC industry is taking. In my mind looking at all the recent changes i.e.- Lion, iCloud, iPad, rmbp, is that the industry is veering towards consumer dependance on the *system* rather than personal computers which I believe is starting to see its doom. iCloud dominance I believe is the goal with netbooks as dependent transievers and receivers of data and all future applications. In other words if one is not connected/dependent to iCloud or *clouds* then you are not competitive with the masses. Of course dependance comes at a price, keep up and pay or stay behind, upgrade or be disconnected, especially if future netbooks or iPad like devices are designed with hardware life expectancy to not last beyond two or three years with no possibility of consumer repair. This is a concern as is the non eco friendly implications of forced upgrading of hardware within three years (for now). While PC users may claim justification of hating anything Apple, I feel that all personal computers owners whether Mac or PC should be worried about the direction the industry is taking, as I feel that computer independence as a whole is on the verge of being obsolete.

Yes, it could be a global conspiracy of smoke-filled dark room nameless Bilderberg members conspiring to steal data and suck money from your pockets.....

or it could be that in the new portable digital age of smartphones, tablets and laptops where ever increasing consumers have multiple devices, they want their data shareable in a seamless and intuitive way.
 
Got mine (2.6 GHz, 16 GB RAM / 512 SSD) yesterday. Setup as usual, did not change any display options.

Just using Safari on the Retinabook and on a iMac 27" side by side shows the big difference. All letters, in any font or size, are so crisp !! You never want to use this coarse iMac display again.

Have the new Aperture 3.3., but would prefer to use my Retinabook for Photoshop and Digital Darkroom work, hope this software will be adapted soon...

I was playing with the machine at an Apple store yesterday and while the display is quite beautiful, I have to say that I really didn't notice all that much of a difference between that and the latest non-retina MBPs, although I wasn't able to compare side-by-side, just by looking in front of and behind me since the different machines were on different tables. There was a difference, just not as much of a difference as I would have expected. I expected to see the machine and immediately want to replace my 3-4 year old MBP, but I simply didn't feel the need (yet) based upon what I saw.

But nice machine, nice form factor, although I still personally think it's insane to pay all that money for a SSD when an HD is a 20th of the price, and to have non-unpgradable memory (and battery) just to save a 1/4" of depth and a drop of weight. Having said that, if the delays in shipping are an indication of demand, the marketplace disagrees with me.
 
Why not just grab one in a local Apple Store?

Because the orders in question are for a model that is only available as a custom build. And since you can't change out components willy nilly it's not like "you can buy cheaper and go up later" is guaranteed. You might not be able to so these customers didn't want to risk it. And as businesses they can typically afford the higher cost to just have Apple do it.

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No worries...just a legally-mandated auto reply if the original date is in danger of being missed. I'd bet a day's wages that the vast majority of these are in the users' hands in a week or two, tops.

Very possibly.

and more than any legal issue there's simply not wanting folks screaming if they miss the date with out any warning. Classic move of "under promise, over deliver"
 
Absolute nonsense!

The iPad 3rd Gen release was a testiment to Apple's distribution abilities. These shortages of Retina MacBook Pro's is unnessisary.

Why wouldn't they just announce that they would be available in a month? Would have given them time to build their numbers, as well as 3rd party app developers time to update their apps.

Instead, they announced immediate availability of the 100 [sarcasm] they actually had in stock.
 
We're already seeing yellow screens, unevenly colored screens (ala retina iPads), and now a ghosting problem (like a mini temporary burn-in, sort of like the old Apple Cinema Displays) in the RMBPs.

And we are already seeing folks starting to overhype what will turn out to be a relative handful of cases out of the whole and shouldn't really be that unexpected for a product that is 1000% Gen 1.

Shall we call this RetinaGate?

Any new tech product from anyone will have a few units with issues. It is part of the game. How the company deals with it is the better thing to look at. Apple will happily return/exchange that laptop for any issue. Even if it is two days past their 14 day return policy they will do it. Because they want the 'defective' units for engineer inspections. This is a high desire product so it might take a little while to get your replacement (even with some kind of rush status) but they will happily do it.

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Perhaps they are trying to sort out the Ghosting problem with the display.

If that were true, if it were anything to do with the display, we would be hearing about ALL orders being delayed. Not just customs with a particular SSD (which tells us that the issue is most likely that component)
 
LOL
There's a whole page dedicated to bugs in the 360 :D. I feel you man, my XBOX broke, and we had 3 XBOX 360s at one point that were from people who gave them to my brother since they were broken. My friend got a new XBOX 360 that came with 2 games, neither of which worked.

Same story here, only worse. :(
 
i'm pretty sure part of the reason for the delay is because they don't want to send out any more RMBP's that are still running lion, since performance is awful on it.
 
I think the macbook air was and is a good product idea for those who need more of a netbook rather than a personal comp. While the masses may be seduced by the rmbp and it's display, a minority that think out of the box may be seeing the true implications of this new model and the direction Apple and the PC industry is taking. In my mind looking at all the recent changes i.e.- Lion, iCloud, iPad, rmbp, is that the industry is veering towards consumer dependance on the *system* rather than personal computers which I believe is starting to see its doom. iCloud dominance I believe is the goal with netbooks as dependent transievers and receivers of data and all future applications. In other words if one is not connected/dependent to iCloud or *clouds* then you are not competitive with the masses. Of course dependance comes at a price, keep up and pay or stay behind, upgrade or be disconnected, especially if future netbooks or iPad like devices are designed with hardware life expectancy to not last beyond two or three years with no possibility of consumer repair. This is a concern as is the non eco friendly implications of forced upgrading of hardware within three years (for now). While PC users may claim justification of hating anything Apple, I feel that all personal computers owners whether Mac or PC should be worried about the direction the industry is taking, as I feel that computer independence as a whole is on the verge of being obsolete.

I partially agree, but I'm a little less paranoid than you seem to be. I think Apple's change in design has primarly to do with an obsessive-compulsive desire to have a tiny and elegant form factor. Secondarily, it has to do with providing enough benefits (sync of all devices, now that people are using so many devices) to force people into the Apple eco-system, which also makes the cost and difficulty of switching to a different eco-system and therfore a competitor's devices, very high.

My problem with Apple has more to do with the architecture/form factor that forces high-cost, non-replaceable SSDs over low-cost HDs, and doesn't permit memory upgrades or battery replacement. (I'm also personally not happy about the elimination of the internal optical drive, but I can understand why they did it, although if I were paranoid, I'd say that was also to force people to buy movies via iTunes rather than use DVD media.) It isn't new functionality that will force machine replacements in short cycles, but the fact that the new designs don't permit one to upgrade the machine, although I don't think the competition will necessarily follow suit. (If I were the competition, I would market the non-upgradability and non-repairablity of Apple devices against them.)

One thing that may come back to bite these companies that are pushing everyone to the "Cloud" is that the ISPs are going to end most of their fixed-price "all-you-can-eat" data plans, substantially raising costs for people who keep everything in the Cloud.

Also, I think many corporations are a lot less willing to have their data stored in the Cloud, due to security concerns. And the more we hear of security breaches, the more IT departments are going to push to keep things local, whether that means local servers or keeping data on laptops. I currently consult for two corporations, one very large and one relatively small, and they are so paranoid that they put tremendous restrictions on what you can access, partially for security reasons and partially because they don't want employees wasting time. I noticed yesterday at one of them that when I was logged onto their wireless network, I couldn't access Facebook or Linked-In using my personal non-company issued phone. At another company, their wired guest network severely limits access, even when they provide guest log-ins. When vendors come to demonstrate their software and the demos are in the "Cloud", we always have tech issues because many functions can't work due to the restrictions. These are not companies who are going to trust the Cloud.
 
Regardless if it's for consumers or businesses...you DO NOT showcase a product, dance all over stage about it, say it's ready for immediate order, then have the orders delayed 6+ weeks

I couldn't agree with you more. No one wants to sit around and wait over a month for a $2,000 + MacBook Pro, even if it does have a killer display. Furthermore, several people are rethinking their purchases/budgets and are canceling their orders.
 
Yes, it could be a global conspiracy of smoke-filled dark room nameless Bilderberg members conspiring to steal data and suck money from your pockets.....

or it could be that in the new portable digital age of smartphones, tablets and laptops where ever increasing consumers have multiple devices, they want their data shareable in a seamless and intuitive way.

I do not see the relevance of your statement concerning planned obsolescence of hardware and software.... as far as conspiracies are concerned my concerns are more about monopoly and choice.
 
Regardless if it's for consumers or businesses...you DO NOT showcase a product, dance all over stage about it, say it's ready for immediate order, then have the orders delayed 6+ weeks.

You do if you get a **** ton of orders for it. Because that many folks want it. And remember it was immediate ORDER, not delivery. They never claimed to have millions of units so there's be zero delays for anyone.

And these are custom orders which require more time because they are custom built after the warehouse gets confirmation that your money is good.

Compare that to dancing about it and then not giving a battery life, price or release date beyond "later this year".

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Absolute nonsense!

The iPad 3rd Gen release was a testiment to Apple's distribution abilities. These shortages of Retina MacBook Pro's is unnessisary.

and if the Retina Macbook Pro maxed out at 64GB of storage that would be fine. There's plenty of that SSD around to put in the machines.

Why wouldn't they just announce that they would be available in a month? Would have given them time to build their numbers,

Because then they would either have stores besieged by angry people that can't place a pre-order etc or they would be getting orders that would suck up everything they can build in that month and more well before the release date.
OR they would have a warehouse of stuff that doesn't sell because it's too expensive for folks etc. This is a high end product at a high cost and it is not Apple's style to have units collecting dust if it isn't wanted. So they build a lower amount and use the orders to tell them how many new production lines etc to open up.
 
You do if you get a **** ton of orders for it. Because that many folks want it. And remember it was immediate ORDER, not delivery. They never claimed to have millions of units so there's be zero delays for anyone.

And these are custom orders which require more time because they are custom built after the warehouse gets confirmation that your money is good.

You can't be serious. And what year do you think we live in that the "warehouse gets confirmation that your money is good"? 1981?! Your post is a total joke. Credit cards are VERIFIED in seconds. SECONDS.

Let me also quote the original article:
The Retina MacBook Pro has been in high demand since its introduction during the keynote of Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference earlier this month, with shipping estimates slipping to 2-3 weeks within hours of launch before settling at 3-4 weeks a day later. Estimates have remained at that 3-4 week timeframe since that time.

Ummmm...if within hours of a keynote a computer is shipping 2-3 weeks, then folks, Apple either a)didn't have any to begin with or b)had a few thousad. Nobody is going to convince me, even on this site, that tens of thousands of people flocked to the Apple website to order a $2000+ LAPTOP hours after the keynote speech.

Face it, Apple simply had an extremely few amount of units to sell. I'm not saying they needed to have millions...but it's clear that they likely had only a few thousand actually ready to ship within a few days/weeks. You don't announce a product, claim it's in stock ready for order/delivery, and within 24 hours people are waiting 3-4 weeks just for it to SHIP. Now people are still waiting 6+ weeks.

Notice the article makes a broad claim about "high demand" but offers no numbers...oh wait, the only numbers it offers are the depressingly sad 6 week wait times for shipment. Good job, Apple!
 
While the masses may be seduced by the rmbp and it's display, a minority that think out of the box may be seeing the true implications of this new model and the direction Apple and the PC industry is taking.

Or the opposite could be true -- that what you refer to as the "minority" are really just stuck in the ways of the old, and the buyers of "sealed" computers are the one's able to "think out of the box," or in Jobsian parlance, "Think Different" about computers. It's rather non-sensical to say those who believe computers and computing should remain as it's been for the past 30 years is somehow an"out of the box," forward thinking concept.

One of Steve Jobs last memorable statements was about this at the 2012 D8 conference:

“I think PCs are going to be like trucks...[L]ess people will need them. And this is going to make some people uneasy.”


The Air truly shook up the market. Jobs, at it's introduction, said he thought it was the future of computers. Of course, coming from him it meant he was just preparing the world for the change to come. That time is getting nearer and while consumers are loving the new form factor, it's a hard time for geeks because a sealed computer means they become far less relevant. They are like the horse shoe makers when Ford's auto production line started up.
 
I partially agree, but I'm a little less paranoid than you seem to be. I think Apple's change in design has primarly to do with an obsessive-compulsive desire to have a tiny and elegant form factor. Secondarily, it has to do with providing enough benefits (sync of all devices, now that people are using so many devices) to force people into the Apple eco-system, which also makes the cost and difficulty of switching to a different eco-system and therfore a competitor's devices, very high.

My problem with Apple has more to do with the architecture/form factor that forces high-cost, non-replaceable SSDs over low-cost HDs, and doesn't permit memory upgrades or battery replacement. (I'm also personally not happy about the elimination of the internal optical drive, but I can understand why they did it, although if I were paranoid, I'd say that was also to force people to buy movies via iTunes rather than use DVD media.) It isn't new functionality that will force machine replacements in short cycles, but the fact that the new designs don't permit one to upgrade the machine, although I don't think the competition will necessarily follow suit. (If I were the competition, I would market the non-upgradability and non-repairablity of Apple devices against them.)

One thing that may come back to bite these companies that are pushing everyone to the "Cloud" is that the ISPs are going to end most of their fixed-price "all-you-can-eat" data plans, substantially raising costs for people who keep everything in the Cloud.

Also, I think many corporations are a lot less willing to have their data stored in the Cloud, due to security concerns. And the more we hear of security breaches, the more IT departments are going to push to keep things local, whether that means local servers or keeping data on laptops. I currently consult for two corporations, one very large and one relatively small, and they are so paranoid that they put tremendous restrictions on what you can access, partially for security reasons and partially because they don't want employees wasting time. I noticed yesterday at one of them that when I was logged onto their wireless network, I couldn't access Facebook or Linked-In using my personal non-company issued phone. At another company, their wired guest network severely limits access, even when they provide guest log-ins. When vendors come to demonstrate their software and the demos are in the "Cloud", we always have tech issues because many functions can't work due to the restrictions. These are not companies who are going to trust the Cloud.

quote: I would market the non-upgradability and non-repairablity of Apple devices against them.)

I definitely agree. Now if only WOZ would create a start up company with a notebook that is more open to pro-summers, That would be something!
 
i'm pretty sure part of the reason for the delay is because they don't want to send out any more RMBP's that are still running lion, since performance is awful on it.

I do not think so, I have the base unit, right now I am running a Windoze 7 VM with a person remote connected to it, 4 gig of RAM allocated, I am reading this on the web, have mail running, iChat running, resolution 1920x1200, etc etc.

This is the best computer I have ever used and I have been a network person for over 20 years. It is damn near flawless. I have a Mac OS server 10.7 server, 10.8 server and workstation VMs created and running flawlessly in Parallels. Not at the same time of course. I could not do what I am doing on the old Macbook Pros.

No performance issues at all on Lion!
 
Or the opposite could be true -- that what you refer to as the "minority" are really just stuck in the ways of the old, and the buyers of "sealed" computers are the one's able to "think out of the box," or in Jobsian parlance, "Think Different" about computers. It's rather non-sensical to say those who believe computers and computing should remain as it's been for the past 30 years is somehow an"out of the box," forward thinking concept.

One of Steve Jobs last memorable statements was about this at the 2012 D8 conference:




The Air truly shook up the market. Jobs, at it's introduction, said he thought it was the future of computers. Of course, coming from him it meant he was just preparing the world for the change to come. That time is getting nearer and while consumers are loving the new form factor, it's a hard time for geeks because a sealed computer means they become far less relevant. They are like the horse shoe makers when Ford's auto production line started up.


I dont agree. I do not necessarily believe that tech innovation and advance or design dictates the need to seal computers. For example simply adding the retina display to the last gen mbp would have been congenial and still reduce thickness of the unit. The size of ram or SSd drives hardly constrained Apple to making a sealed device, and making the rmbp mostly a brick of a non self serviceable battery is hardly conducive to *new Technology and design*. The choices Apple made are deliberate in my mind towards planned disposability.
 
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I do not think so, I have the base unit, right now I am running a Windoze 7 VM with a person remote connected to it, 4 gig of RAM allocated, I am reading this on the web, have mail running, iChat running, resolution 1920x1200, etc etc.

This is the best computer I have ever used and I have been a network person for over 20 years. It is damn near flawless. I have a Mac OS server 10.7 server, 10.8 server and workstation VMs created and running flawlessly in Parallels. Not at the same time of course. I could not do what I am doing on the old Macbook Pros.

No performance issues at all on Lion!

wow. ichat? mail? browser? sorry but you basically just told me you don't do anything taxing on your machine at all minus the VM. and i'd definitely take anandtechs review over yours. he said its borderline unusable with lion.

how could you NOT do any of that on your old macbook pros? the only major change is the retina screen. so you couldn't run servers/vm's without a retina screen?

justify your purchase however you like but what you said is just ridiculous.
 
Often?

We're already seeing yellow screens, unevenly colored screens (ala retina iPads), and now a ghosting problem (like a mini temporary burn-in, sort of like the old Apple Cinema Displays) in the RMBPs.

Apple is going through some serious growing pains with their retina displays.

hmmmm, I had only heard about the ipad stuff ... that sucks if they are still having issues with the retina mbp
 
Wait 3+ years??

No posts yet about how this is a bad machine, too expensive, can't get into it to tinker.
EPIC fail etc. etc.

Maybe the people ordering this know what they want and recognize a good product/idea when they see one ?

As for built issues anybody with Apple experience from the past NEVER orders the first generation of anything.

While this is already proven technology (via MB Air) this particular MBP has not been tweaked yet as Apple gets usage reports via returned product.

This item looks good for ordering when its in the third revision and they have quietly fixed everything as they always do.

I fully agree that Apple will work out the kinks in the next update, but wait until the third revision? Apple's update cycle for MBP is 1-1 1/2 years, so you're saying wait up to 4 1/2 years to buy a rMBP.

OK, you wait, I'll wait until they have them in stock at Apple stores this fall and buy one with Mountain Lion installed. :eek:
 
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