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Apple, Dell, Lenovo To Develop Battery Standards

Batteries are holding back so many new technologies. It's too bad battery capacities haven't progressed along with hard disk data density, transistors per cpu, bus speeds, etc. I suppose if just getting them to not explode is still a problem then any real advance is still way off in the future.
 
bigandy said:
yeah, the cells are, but the charging system, which was blamed in Dell's case, was not a Sony thing: it was Dell.

but i think there was a big element of pointing fingers.

i rekon independant enquiry, and find out what's to blame. if it's the cells, then charge sony. if not, charge dell. simple.
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but if Sony were the ones to update the batteries (as the article says) wouldn't that make the cells the faulty part?
 
motulist said:
Batteries are holding back so many new technologies. It's too bad battery capacities haven't progressed along with hard disk data density, transistors per cpu, bus speeds, etc. I suppose if just getting them to not explode is still a problem then any real advance is still way off in the future.
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Very true. It seems like everything runs on batteries now and all the batteries are always dying 🙁
I'd like to see them put some serious brainpower into improving battery technology.
 
motulist said:
Batteries are holding back so many new technologies. It's too bad battery capacities haven't progressed along with hard disk data density, transistors per cpu, bus speeds, etc. I suppose if just getting them to not explode is still a problem then any real advance is still way off in the future.
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Not too long ago, around 1993, I had a Motorola cell phone. The "talk" time was less than an hour and "standby" time was only a few hours more than that. The battery was so large, they put it in a separate case or bag with a shoulder strap. That thing was larger than an old lady's purse.

Given the physical limitations of this technology, batteries have come a long way in recent years and the trend will continue.

I think in addition to cramming more power into smaller packages, they'll continue to find creative ways to use less power, thus increasing battery life.
 
Imagine if you were the one that had their laptop catch fire...granted I hope they didn't get hurt, but imagine the special treatment you would get from apple.
 
MattyMac said:
Imagine if you were the one that had their laptop catch fire...granted I hope they didn't get hurt, but imagine the special treatment you would get from apple.
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yeah, you probably get a voucher for 10 free iTunes downloads or something.

🙄
 
baleensavage said:
Very true. It seems like everything runs on batteries now and all the batteries are always dying 🙁
I'd like to see them put some serious brainpower into improving battery technology.
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Yeah, and the problem is not just that todays devices run out to soon, it's that brand new technologies can only be dreamed of yet because of the power limitation. For instance, if batteries caught up to the progress that other technologies have reached, then solar power would suddenly become cheaper than even coal energy, electric cars would be cheap and have range per refill distances equal to or greater than gas cars. On the computing side, imagine what you could do with a digital device that could run for weeks without needing to be plugged in and weighed almost nothing. You could literally take it everywhere and depend on it to always be ready.

Funnily enough, because of their spartan power requirements, some very old ultra portable computing devices actually fulfill this role where newer devices can't even come close to competing. They used to make these tiny command line os devices that were no bigger than a small paperback book, which run for weeks on a pair of double A's.
 
mdntcallr said:
though if they could get rid of batteries limited recharge life, that would be awesome.
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ah yes, but if they did that... how would they make money from accessories?

Its the same with cars. Car manufactures dont make much profit off teh actual car itself. it makes more off the accessories and optional extras, hense why they cost so much AND your car didnt get them to start with.
 
Willis said:
ah yes, but if they did that... how would they make money from accessories?

Its the same with cars. Car manufactures dont make much profit off teh actual car itself. it makes more off the accessories and optional extras, hense why they cost so much AND your car didnt get them to start with.
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I'm not sure that's true. Have you ever stepped inside a Toyota Yaris....?
 
i may have used a hyperbole....

EagerDragon said:
Love to see that, any links?
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Hmm, okies well maybe its not explosive, but it does go fizzy and flies around on water surface. And thats just water. I believe powder is more impressive though I have never witnesses? It ignites in chlorine as shown at our friends you tube. Anyway my point was, its stupidly reactive, hence why it great to make high capacity batteries but kinda dodgy at the same time. And for the ***** and giggles, look up potassium and sodium, they're more reactive again.
 
You Would Think This Was Something That Had Already Been Done By Now • None Too Soon

You Would Think This Was Something That Had Already Been Done By Now • None Too Soon. 🙄
 
vanzskater272 said:
They were the ones who made those batterys.
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The problem must be a little more complicated than to just blame Sony for bad batteries, otherwise the first call to order by Dell & Apple would have been to sue the piss out of Sony.

I would bet that it has to do with a combination of the battery, discharge circuitry, and charging circuitry. That is why Apple & Dell want standards established. With strong standards in place, they would be more readily able to engineer the proper support circuitry.

Also with standards in place if Sony was at fault then Apple & Dell would have stronger law suit cases.
 
StuPidQPid said:
For those of you wishing for new battery technology, then the following article offers some hope.

http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?type=article&article_id=218392803

Looks pretty neat, and should be on the market within five years!
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Thanks for the link. I've heard about a similar technology (I'm not sure if it is the same one as this or not) but it sounds like it is being moved forward. The latest I heard (which was about a year ago or so -- I think) was that you can achieve 80% charge in the first minute of charging. This is definitely a breakthrough and should be very useful in the future. 🙂
 
Anything to produce safer batteries is a step in the right direction. It's a shame that it takes a videotaped explosion to get something started.
 
StuPidQPid said:
For those of you wishing for new battery technology, then the following article offers some hope.

http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?type=article&article_id=218392803

Looks pretty neat, and should be on the market within five years!
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Neat idea.

Many years ago we used capacitors (big ones) instead of batteries for some small projects.

This new idea to store more electrons is pretty cool and seems more environmentally friendly. And if there is standardization, it would be easy to have recharging stations all over the place so anybody could easily recharge their device.
 
I don't think Li-Poly batteries are any safer. In fact, they require extremely precise systems that monitor and control charging and discharge rates to prevent them from exploding. Videos of LiPo batteries exploding are all over google video and you tube.
 
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