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sodaNine

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This is great. One of the main reasons I stick with Apple. For comparison, I saw a tweet yesterday - accessing GMail via Google Chrome requested access to the users' microphone in Mojave :eek:
This is why I am jumping ship from android in September when the new phones come out.
 

groadyho

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This is why I am jumping ship from android in September when the new phones come out.
I've been thinking of it for years which I why I came here in the first place. . In my profession which is legal in my state but not in many others, security was a concern. I emphasize was a concern. After discussions with security experts and my uncle ex CIA if the gov't meaning Sessions or Trump or anyone else really wants to know what is going on they will regardless of platform. Btw the U.S military uses Android devices because of Apple closed walled garden.
 

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Rigby

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I don't beleive they ever did change. It had to do with the military needing to add their own security to the phones and Apple Iphone wasn't doable.
Hm, strange. It seems the DoD has approved iOS years ago:

https://defensesystems.com/articles/2013/05/17/ios.aspx
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In *general* it is with IPv6, but Apple has long since implemented address privacy to fix that.
No major consumer OS uses EUI-64 addresses anymore.
 
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fairuz

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When was the last time you installed malware simply by updating an app? Can't recall it ever happening to me.
I had a close call with Transmission. Had I updated a few days later, I would've gotten malware. A good number of people were affected.

On the other hand, I can't recall ever needing to update an app immediately except with Electrum 3.0.5 (what a joke), and in those cases, there are ways to manually update and ignore security warnings.
 
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groadyho

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Hm, strange. It seems the DoD has approved iOS years ago:

https://defensesystems.com/articles/2013/05/17/ios.aspx
0doublepost=1528241018][/doublepost]No major consumer OS uses EUI-64 addresses anymore.
Who really knows. I can confirm thru my uncle, CIA operatives use a heavily skinned downed Android with tight security protocols. As with us in the general population they probably use both. I have 0 problem with Apple, I just like my droid and since droid is always leading the way with technology problems do arise. Apple atleast perfect it first after Android develops it. Tbh MS iris scanner was probably the most secure, that said in my uncle's words "if anybody really wants in they will get in". The Chaos Computer Club has proven they can break into face id in both IOS and Samsung.
 

DNichter

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Apr 27, 2015
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This is why I am jumping ship from android in September when the new phones come out.

I’m not naive about it. I know a lot of people are very willing to trade their data for what Google provides in return, but there is something underlying about it that I just can’t accept. Most will say, hey you’re being tracked no matter what you do, but I would rather not just accept that and take steps to control my personal information. First step is to remove Google and Facebook from your life.
 
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groadyho

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I’m not naive about it. I know a lot of people are very willing to trade up their data for what Google provides in return, but there is something underlying about it that I just can’t accept. Most will say, hey you’re being tracked no matter what you do, but I would rather not just accept that and take steps to control my personal information. First step is to remove Google and Facebook from your life.
100% agree brotha. Be proactive instead of reactive. I must admit I don't use Facebook and am pissed my v30 att phone has it baked in. I can disable it but not delete it. I might join ya in 18 months when the v30 is paid off. You know the funny thing is a rooted Android can the safest of all phones but a jailbroken iPhone is probably one of the least secure.
 
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JimmyHook

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Privacy is a myth in the current world. Even swiping a credit card gives away your exact location and purchase habit etc etc.
Not if you use Apple Pay. Not everyone is ready to just assume privacy is dead. Some of us will fight to keep it. From my cold dead hands
 

shplock

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You all can't be that naive. Isp's know everywhere you go anyway.

I call a big BS. Gmail never asks for access to microphone in phone or pc. I use and Android and pc exclusively and even in the Such bs misinforma

That is the biggest BS ever. I use Gmail, Android, and pc exclusively and there is no microphone permission even associated with gmail. Just storage, contacts and calendar whether using an andrpid phone or pc through chrome or edge.
I call BS from you! We are not talking about the PC or inferior Android. We are talking about Mac.
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Noooooo!

Why oh why, can we just have a computer that isn’t locked down!?

Apple wants to have a walled garden and for anyone not happy with the App Store is ****ed! I mean what is wrong with some tweaking of macOS features and apps not from the store! It’s the very last reason I use Mac that it’s Linux and you can tweak but it’s got so bad now that it’s no longer a desktop os!

I feel sad.
Your wrong. Mac OS is Unix based not Linux. Plus the walled garden approach is for security. That is not restrictive as many apps are available outside the App Store. Some safe some not safe. I bet you would complain if Mac OS was not locked down as you put it and you got hacked. Windows is not locked down and look how many security issues it has.
 

haruhiko

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Full of misinformation and downright fiction from some of the posts here. Interesting if not funny to read. :)
 

udayan81

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Not if you use Apple Pay. Not everyone is ready to just assume privacy is dead. Some of us will fight to keep it. From my cold dead hands

The bank will have full details of your location, transaction. The moment you are online you lose privacy. Your cell phone is a continuous GPS signal transmitter. True there are certain aspects of privacy that Apple is doing, but overall my point is there is no privacy.
 

DNichter

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Apr 27, 2015
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The bank will have full details of your location, transaction. The moment you are online you lose privacy. Your cell phone is a continuous GPS signal transmitter. True there are certain aspects of privacy that Apple is doing, but overall my point is there is no privacy.

I see this argument a lot, and while I agree that we are a long way off, I don't think just giving up all of your information is the answer. Since you feel you don't have any privacy currently, you think the best course of action is just to give up and not care what companies are accessing your data? For me and your examples, I trust my bank and I trust my cell phone provider.
 

udayan81

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Sep 8, 2017
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I see this argument a lot, and while I agree that we are a long way off, I don't think just giving up all of your information is the answer. Since you feel you don't have any privacy currently, you think the best course of action is just to give up and not care what companies are accessing your data? For me and your examples, I trust my bank and I trust my cell phone provider.

Do you remember that one time when hackers took away access using iCloud ? "https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/20/hackers-find-my-iphone-remote-mac-lock/"

You can trust whoever you want. What we don't know, doesn't make it automatically secure. Nowhere in my statements have I said that the best course is to give up data. As I said, I like that Apple is implementing stuff but once again coming back to my original point complete privacy is not something that can be attained short of living completely off the grid.
 

DNichter

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Apr 27, 2015
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Do you remember that one time when hackers took away access using iCloud ? "https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/20/hackers-find-my-iphone-remote-mac-lock/"

You can trust whoever you want. What we don't know, doesn't make it automatically secure. Nowhere in my statements have I said that the best course is to give up data. As I said, I like that Apple is implementing stuff but once again coming back to my original point complete privacy is not something that can be attained short of living completely off the grid.

Yea, I remember. I don't see one incident as a reason to not trust a company. If there were repeated issues or they existed for data mining and advertising, then maybe. I agree with you though, it'll never be perfect, but I and many others are sticking with Apple as they are leading the charge in this area.
 
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fairuz

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Not if you use Apple Pay. Not everyone is ready to just assume privacy is dead. Some of us will fight to keep it. From my cold dead hands
Are you sure Apply Pay doesn't give the store any identifying info about you? I read Apple's security overview, which is concise and transparent, but they don't mention it: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203027 Also, there could be laws requiring records to be kept in case someone suddenly buys tons of suspicious items or there's another scenario like the Austin Bomber (they tracked him down using store transactions).

My hunch is that the only real way to stay private is to use cash or cryptocurrency. But tbh I personally use credit card and don't worry about it.
 

DragonSky

macrumors newbie
Oct 6, 2017
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You all can't be that naive. Isp's know everywhere you go anyway.

I call a big BS. Gmail never asks for access to microphone in phone or pc. I use and Android and pc exclusively and even in the Such bs misinforma

That is the biggest BS ever. I use Gmail, Android, and pc exclusively and there is no microphone permission even associated with gmail. Just storage, contacts and calendar whether using an andrpid phone or pc through chrome or edge.
Actually, I believe you can use a voice interface to search on google and gmail, so the request to access the microphone. Don't want to use voice, then don't grant access. Easy.
 
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